Do Christians who do bad things, nullify other evidences for God - addressing Christian Hypocrisy.

[createdtoworship]

Actually we saw major change throughout human history not only in individuals but in societies as wholes as the result of Christianity. Almost everything good about western civilization is the result of incorporating Christian principles and things that Christians have done. For example, modern science, modern hospitals, the concept of equal human rights, modern universities, and the ending of slavery, among other things were all started by Christians or were the result of people living out Christian principles.

I agree, christians have been lights in this world for a long time.

 

[createdtoworship]

Ultimately, people either reject Christ or take Him as both Savior and Lord.

But the one who rejects Him does so because they have something against Him.

Every professing Christian could live as Jesus lived and many would still reject Christianity. Why? Because they reject Christ.

So while the hypocrisy of many professing Christians in no way helps the gospel, those who reject Christ would do so even in the absence of this hypocrisy because it is not the Christian they have the problem with. It is Christ. Has it not been written, "the world cannot hate you but it hates Me, because I testify that its deeds are evil?"

Here Jesus gives us this simple but profound truth. After all the smokescreens disappear, after all the excuses and reasons fall to the wayside, men at the end of the day hate Jesus because He came declaring men were sinners and needed to be reconciled to God.

Period.

I think that is an excuse from the enemy. That my life doesn't matter, because people will chose hell anyway, because we are elect either to or against damnation. But that is not what the scriptures says, the scriptures say that we may help convert others, or we may hurt their conversion process. The Bible says, he that shares the gospel, is wise. IF God saved all people, without a voice from a human mouth, then angels would declare the gospel, he would have never commanded us to go and make disciples and baptizing in the name of the father, the son and the spirit.

 

[createdtoworship]

Thanks for that. I figured that I had finally pinned down what you were actually doing in this thread.

I do not fit your description of that label, and it was an obvious attempt at evasion and misdirection.

That is quite descriptive of tactic that you yourself use in response to my questions, although I find it to be amusing, not annoying.

You contradict your own citations, and now it seems you will do anything to avoid having to admit that and back track. Should I feel sad for you?

As I said in an earlier post, in the context of a Socratic dialogue, the questions are entirely appropriate; that you don't think so may be simply because you are in the receiving end of them.

Actually, this sort of exchange is exactly why I come here. If I am wrong, I will welcome where that can be demonstrated. Your evasion and misdirections suggests that you cannot show me to be wrong.

Not at all. I simply had an epiphany about the role you were playing within your own thread, and called you on it, and you confirmed it. Subtlety is not my strong point.

The question still stands, however: as what you post about the concept of falsifiability contradicts the link that you yourself provided, are you purposefully misrepresenting what that page says, or are you simply not reading it?

Leaving the site? Not on my part, I hope.

If you ever want pick up on where you went wrong on the concept of falsifiability, I'll be here.

Took a break from CF for awhile, not due to this thread, but multiple other ones. But I am back now. Let me know if you want to continue this conversation.

 

[Uber Genius]

adhominem attack is posting material against the person, and not the post. Neither which I have done. Better learn your fallacies better.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I should have said, "Agreed," on the front of my post.

I was not saying you had done that but that referring to Christians or atheists by their traits or actions as opposed to their arguments was a form of ad hominem argument.

 

[anonymous person]

I think that is an excuse from the enemy. That my life doesn't matter, because people will chose hell anyway, because we are elect either to or against damnation. But that is not what the scriptures says, the scriptures say that we may help convert others, or we may hurt their conversion process. The Bible says, he that shares the gospel, is wise. IF God saved all people, without a voice from a human mouth, then angels would declare the gospel, he would have never commanded us to go and make disciples and baptizing in the name of the father, the son and the spirit.

God clearly commands us to make disciples and to preach the good news. This implies that God has in some way, chosen to make known the way of salvation by making it known through the witnessing of His followers.

On this we agree. What we do with what God has given us matters more than we can appropriately conceive no doubt.

However, this does nothing to negate the fact that men love darkness rather than light, or that men's hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked and that men if they reject the gospel, ultimatelty reject not us as messengers, but the one by whom we are sent, that is Christ.

It is true, some with a distorted view of predestination may believe the lie that witnessing is of no importance and how we live really doesn't matter, but such people are wrong.

 

[createdtoworship]

God clearly commands us to make disciples and to preach the good news. This implies that God has in some way, chosen to make known the way of salvation by making it known through the witnessing of His followers.

On this we agree. What we do with what God has given us matters more than we can appropriately conceive no doubt.

However, this does nothing to negate the fact that men love darkness rather than light, or that men's hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked and that men if they reject the gospel, ultimatelty reject not us as messengers, but the one by whom we are sent, that is Christ.

It is true, some with a distorted view of predestination may believe the lie that witnessing is of no importance and how we live really doesn't matter, but such people are wrong.

I believe they are rejecting the message sometimes because the messenger was impure, or ignorant of his responsibility to be a light in the darkness. There will be people in hell because I refused to preach the gospel to them. I am sure of it. Same with you. We allow people to be condemned every day because we debate online instead of preaching the gospel, or play an extra video game, or whatever. Thats why he that preaches the gospel is wise. (but I agree with a lot of what you say)