Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
They interpret something else, but it's still a matter of interpreting.
That's not Transubstantiation. It's Real Presence, and lots of us non-RCs believe in the Real Presence.
.,
By definition, any council cannot be "ecumenical" if it doesn't represent the whole of the church. The great majority of councils considered to be Ecumenical Councils by the Roman Catholic Church were for Vatican Catholics only. So...not "Ecumenical."
Cyril said that the bread is not bread after the Consecration.
How do you determine if a council "represents the whole Church"?
So you basically agree that if needed, the Bishop of Rome has the authority to step outside of his bishopric. Thank you.One has to look at the relationship between the Romans and the Corinthians. Corinth was a satellite of Rome. They do not appear at this time to have a bishop, or if they had, he wasn't doing his job! The fact is that Rome was undoubtedly
an enormous size in those days and the fact that the Bishop was in theory the Emperors parish priest did help".
But show us where the Pope's supremacy is in Tradition or the early Fathers.Please show that even one person has said exactly that.
It is the Bible that says "hold fast to the traditions, whether given orally or by letter" (2 Thes 2:15, 2 Tim 2:2, 1 Pt 1:25, Acts 8:14)
What we reject are the Protestant oral traditions, which say that such words of God are no longer living and active..
So you basically agree that if needed, the Bishop of Rome has the authority to step outside of his bishopric. Thank you.[
You haven't replied to the point about another bishop's see! If Corinth, hadn't a bishop at that time, there would be no trouble!So you basically agree that if needed, the Bishop of Rome has the authority to step outside of his bishopric. Thank you.
A Catholic Council is a free council called by a reputable set of Bishops in a particular Church agreed by comment consent, afterwords it would receive the acclamation of all catholic bishops, or not.
It would be affirmed in their own local Synods by by their own Bishops assenting, or rejecting & possibly by asking the local chapter of clergy to discuss the actions of the general Council and pass their opinions on it to the Bishop.
There are seven Ecumenical Councils, usually called by the Emperor, possibly after calls from the lBishops, mostly I shoud imagine from the East!
Source for Corinth not having a bishop?You haven't replied to the point about another bishop's see! If Corinth, hadn't a bishop at that time, there would be no trouble!
Also, that point about not moving in to another bishop's see, was 325, Nicea. When was the letter written?
But show us where the Pope's supremacy is in Tradition or the early Fathers.
Sorry about addressing the post ,'Lady,' it's age! (mine.)
For a proper analysis of the above I would need to post a large portion from Abbe Guettée or from the lectures laternonjuror mentioned in the book by Fr Puller. Needless to say, Irenaeus does not claim what Papal supporters believe he does in the passage quoted above.Here is St. Irenaeus in the 100s:
"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those... by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" (Against Heresies 3:3:2)
Depends on what is, is?For a proper analysis of the above I would need to post a large portion from Abbe Guettée or from the lectures laternonjuror mentioned in the book by Fr Puller. Needless to say, Irenaeus does not claim what Papal supporters believe he does in the passage quoted above.
For a proper analysis of the above I would need to post a large portion from Abbe Guettée or from the lectures laternonjuror mentioned in the book by Fr Puller. Needless to say, Irenaeus does not claim what Papal supporters believe he does in the passage quoted above.
Don't you think one should examine the arguments before making such purile comments?Depends on what is, is?
There have been many councils long before the Great Schism. Why do you say there have only been "7 Ecumenical Councils"?
Source for Corinth not having a bishop?
I know it's okay for Rome to give advice to another Bishop's see. It's because Peter is over other bishops. I thank you for providing a source documenting this. However, it is unecessary, given that Clement's letter to Corinth at a much earlier date already establishes it.
Is this the best you can do? You did not succeed in scaring me.what you are doing is relying on your own, private interpretation , which is illegal for Catholics.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?