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Do Baptists appear to be intellectually challenged baboons...?

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It is curious to me that evolutionists may think that Bible believers look like baboons. It is the evolutionists who think they are second cousins to apes. But being called a baboon or other such names is nothing to Christians. Paul tells us what to think about such things.

1 Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will
bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this
world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not
God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them​
that believe.
 
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You seem to be advocating that ministers and teachers in our churches have a science book first and a Holy Bible second as their authority. If something in the Holy Bible doesn't quite jive with the science book, the Holy Bible must be reinterpreted so that church teachings place science books over the Holy Bible. And, then you say that church teachings condemn many to Hell? Wow!
 
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Where do you draw the line on what is to be taken literally and what is to be taken figuratively?

Presumably, Darwin took the Bible literally and couldn't reconcile this with his scientific findings.

I believe that the best starting point for learning what the Bible says about creation is an introductory study of the narrative found in Genesis, chapters 1 through 11. What kind of literature is this? Is it an accurate account of historical events, is it a collection of legends or myths (legends spring up from actual historic events, myths do not), or perhaps a collection of epic tales? Up to about the middle of the 19th century, the Anglican Church, of which Darwin was a member, believed that the first eleven chapters of Genesis gave us an accurate account of historical events, the author being Moses. In 1853, however, Hupfeld published his work, Die Quellen Der Genesis, in which he set forth the Documentary Hypothesis, and his work was very favorably received. This hypothesis was, at that time, that Genesis was written by two different authors. In 1869, Nöldeke demonstrated the evidence that Genesis was written, not by two authors, but by three. These new understandings of Genesis opened the door for Genesis to be very seriously and laboriously studied by very many Old Testament scholars without fear of being too quickly accused of heresy.

Therefore, by the time that Darwin published his first edition of his On the Origin of Species, the door had already been opened in the minds of his critic for fresh interpretations of the first eleven chapters of Genesis, and Darwin’s views were well received by the Anglican Church. Moreover, the discovery of dinosaur bones in the first half of the 1800’s caused many people to begin to rethink their interpretation of the first eleven chapters of Genesis. Just the thought of dinosaurs aboard Noah’s Ark was a bit difficult for some people to swallow!

In Genesis 6-9, we read the narrative of Noah’s Ark. Is this narrative an accurate account of historical events, is it a collection of legends or myths, or is it perhaps a collection of epic tales? Let us begin with the first of these choices—is the narrative of Noah’s Ark an accurate account of historical events? According to a literal interpretation of the narrative, representatives of every “kind” of animals, clean and unclean, “went into the ark.” (Gen. 7:9, NASB, 1995).

A few facts regarding Noah’s Ark that must be considered in evaluating the literalness of the account in Gen. 6–8 are:

  • There are today about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth. If we assume a date of about 2,349 B.C. (Bishop Ussher’s date), microevolution reduces the number of “kinds” of animals that must have been aboard the ark (to account for the about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth today) to a few hundred thousand “kinds.”

  • The several thousands of “kinds” of animals, including the dinosaurs, mammoths, giant ground sloths, etc., which have become extinct must also be considered. Did they all become extinct before the flood? If not, they were, according to the account in Genesis, aboard the arc.

  • The ark, as literally described in Genesis, was much too small because the amount of water that it would be capable of displacing would weigh less than the animals on board, thus making it impossible for the ark to float.

  • The floor space on the ark was too small to hold any more than a tiny fraction of the cages that would be necessary to keep the animals in place (and from eating each other).

  • The amount of food required for the animals would weigh at least nearly as much as the animals, and would require a vast amount of storage space.

  • Many of the animals aboard the ark would have required specific FRESH fruits, vegetables, leaves, grass, bark, roots, etc., including fresh fruits that are produced only on MATURE plants. Therefore, these mature plants would necessarily have been kept and maintained aboard the ark, and subsequently planted in the ground after the flood.

  • Most of the genetically discrete populations of fish (including many VERY LARGE fish) would have to be taken aboard the ark and kept in tanks of water that met their very specific water chemistry needs in order to survive.

  • The weight of the water on the earth would have crushed to death any of the land plants that did not drown in the water.

  • After 150 days when the water abated, there would be no vegetation on the earth for the herbivores to eat, and no meat for the carnivores to eat, therefore a vast amount of food would necessarily have been kept aboard the ark to sustain the animals AFTER the flood.

  • The Animals could not all be released all at once or in the same place because many of them would eat each other.

  • The coming of the animals to Noah from all over the earth would have been a physical impossibility no less impossible than Santa Clause delivering presents to every boy and girl on the night before Christmas. The polar bears and penguins, not to mention all of the unique kinds of animals in Australia, would have posed more than a few special difficulties.

  • After the flood, the animals could not be returned to their original habitat because all habitats would have been destroyed by the flood.

  • Many of the necessary habitats would take 50 years or more to be reestablished and their reestablishment would have required the effort of many thousands of persons.

  • Until all the necessary habitats could be reestablished, the animals requiring these habitats would have to be kept and cared for by Noah and his family.

  • There was not enough water to cover the entire earth, and even if there was, where did it go after the flood?

  • If the reported sightings of the Ark are factual, the Ark came to rest on a VERY high mountain on VERY rugged terrain from which the large majority of the animals would not have been able to descend.

Therefore, the narrative of Noah’s Ark cannot be a literal account of an historic event. Indescribably huge and very numerous miracles would have been necessary, and a literal interpretation of Genesis does not allow for these miracles because the whole point of the narrative is that through the natural, physical means of an ark built by Noah and his family, mankind and all the kinds of animals were saved from the floodwaters. Therefore, we are left with the following choices: a collection of legends or myths, or a collection of epic tales. I realize that at this point, some of my readers believe that I am an incarnation of the devil, the anti-Christ, a heretic, or perhaps just a blind fool, but I believe that it is much more foolish to imagine that all of the necessary miracles are found in a literal interpretation of Genesis 6-9.

“Is God a liar?” “How can we trust the Bible?” “If Genesis 6-9 is a lie, why should we believe that that the entire Bible is not a book of lies?” Once the ranting and screaming dies down, we here someone ask, “How about the reference to Noah, and even the ark, in the New Testament?” And the crowd begins to shout, “Is the New Testament just a bunch of legends, myths, and epic tales? Away with you, you heretic! “Burn him at the stake!” “Put to death this heretic, this ambassador from hell!” I can already smell the smoke! Hey, guys and gals, I believe in the inspiration of Scripture, including the first eleven chapters of Genesis, but I do not believe in your interpretation of it. Wow, that fire is getting hot!
 
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For those of you who are interested in evolution vs creationalism, I recommend a book called The New Answers Book 1. The church my wife and I attend is an Independent Baptist Church called Grace Baptist Church. This book was used in the Sunday School. There are actually three books, Book 1,2, and 3. They talked about the area that one poster wants to see taught in our churches as another interpretation of the Holy Bible. You can look on Amazon.Com which gives information on chapter titles, etc.

The New Answers Book 1
Ken Ham
 
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When I first began attending Bible studies as a non-Christian in a Baptist coffee house, the Baptist Christians learned that I was an evolutionary biologist—that is a biologist specializing in the evolution of plants and animals. Some of them shared the gospel with me; others shared with me books, pamphlets, and Christian tracts about evolution. Most of the stuff was as written by people who had no formal education beyond high school—if even that.

One of the books, however, Why Not Creation?, edited by Walter E. Lamberts, included many articles written by scientists who believe in the theory of creation rather than the theory of evolution. The articles are written by scientists in the fields of biology, microbiology, geology, physics, and engineering. The most striking thing about all of the articles is that all the “scientists” wrote their articles from the perspective that the first eleven chapters of Genesis give us an accurate, historical narrative of creation, man’s fall in the garden of Eden, and God’s wrath poured out in a world flood through which Noah, his family, and representatives of all of the kinds on animals were preserved by entering into and living aboard an ark until the floodwaters abated. That, of course, is not science, but religion.

Another striking thing about the articles is that most of them were written by scientists specializing in a field very different from the area of science dealt with in their articles. For instance, the article about radiocarbon dating is written by a physicist and at first, it looks to be impressive. However, when one has read through the article, one realizes, if he has read carefully, that the article is irrelevant to the application of radiocarbon dating as the technology is employed in determining the age of objects that can be dated using the technology. Furthermore, the article totally ignores the fact the radiocarbon dating has proven to be very accurate when dating objects for which the age is concretely known.

Another typical example is the article entitled, “Paleontological Evidence.” This article was indeed written by a man who has earned a Ph.D., but not in Paleontology or in any field related to Paleontology—he is a professor of Metallurgy and president IRECO Chemicals! Students attending a lecture attempting to disprove the theory of evolution are introduced to Dr. Cook and told that he earned his Ph.D. at the University of Utah. As he presents his evidence against the theory of evolution from the perspective of paleontology, his listeners are deceitfully given the impression that the man is a scientist with an expertise in paleontology, when, in fact, he knows virtually nothing about the subject! Most of the people in his audience are Christians believing in the theory of creation, and as he speaks from ignorance, the Christians cheer him on. The people in his audience who happen to know something about paleontology hear a Christian who is bringing disgrace to the Christian faith.

The article entitled, “Paleobotanical Evidence for a Philosophy of Creationism,” is very short but full of inaccurate information. For example, the author, George F. Howe, writes on page 239, “6. The entire problem of angiosperm ancestry has remained a complete mystery.” Howe has either not studied the evolution of angiosperms, or he is simply lying. Anyone with knowledge of Paleobotany knows that massive amounts of literature have been published on the evolution of angiosperms. The typical Christian reading this article, however, will be impressed with what, to him, will appear to be scientific evidence for the theory of creation, and he will never go to the trouble to find out if George F. Howe knows what he is talking about.

There are, today, thousands of articles like these on the internet, advocating for the theory of creation, written by men who sound learned to the uninformed Christian, but, in reality, they are learned in subjects that have nothing to do with evolutionary biology. Indeed, in all of the years that I have been reading articles like these, advocating for the theory of creation, I have not found even one that was written by a scientist who has earned a Ph.D. in evolutionary biology, or even a scientist who is familiar with the science of evolutionary biology.

When I gave my life to Christ, I assumed that He would use me in the field of evolutionary biology. About a month later, however, I read a book by Bill McKee entitled, Happy Hangup! On page 21 of that book, there is a cartoon figure with a very wide grin on his face holding up to God a sheet of paper on which he has written his plans saying to God, “Ok?” Below the cartoon, we read, “Some of you have it all figured out and you want God to put His stamp of approval on your plans!” That cartoon brought me to my knees, and I prayed, “Father, not my will, but yours be done in and through my life.” About four months later, God called me to prepare for the pastoral and teaching ministry!

Have I ever preached or taught that the theory of evolution is true? No! Do I believe that the theory of evolution, from muck in the bottom of the ocean to modern man, is true? I have very strong doubts about that. I am certain, however, that teaching that the Bible teaches a theological position that is contrary to the theory of evolution is responsible for million of young people deciding that the Bible is not a reliable source of truth.
 
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In order for any interpretation of the Bible to be true, it must be in harmony with all of the facts. There are a multitude of facts which, when objectively considered, prove that Genesis 6-9 is not an accurate, literal account of historic events. The first five chapters of Genesis, based exclusively on the internal evidence, present more evidence for two accounts of creation having been edited together than they do for a single account of creation that has not been edited. Misrepresenting, and even lying about, the evidence from science has been a blight upon the Christian faith every since Darwin published the first edition of his book, On the Origen of Species. Ignoring, for the sake of defending ones point of view, the internal evidence found in Genesis 1–5 that that we have two accounts of creation having been edited together rather than a single account of creation that has not been edited is poor hermeneutics.

What conservative, evangelical Christian who has studied the birth of Christ does not interpret the account found in Luke’s gospel to be teaching that Christ was born in the spring rather than in December? And upon what is that interpretation made—it is based upon the internal evidence found in Luke’s account, taking into consideration data from the science of climatology!
 
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I thought that had already posted this,

Ken Ham was a guest speaker in my Church not too long ago, and several of us were shocked by how very little Ken Ham knows about either Genesis or the theory of evolution. Indeed, when arguing against evolution, he mostly argued against things that evolutionists do not even believe. When he argued against things that evolutionist do believe, his arguments from science betrayed the fact that he has very little knowledge of science. Any middle school science teacher could very easily point out fatal flaws in his arguments. When he argued from the Bible, it was all too apparent that his knowledge of the Bible would not qualify him to teach a Sunday school class in my Church. Ken Ham was never invited back.

Ken Ham had been invited to my church especially for the benefit of the high school kids in our congregation in order to help them better understand the weaknesses in the theory of evolution, but when I saw that he knew virtually nothing at all about evolutionary biology, I inquired about what, if any, formal education he had beyond high school. I learned that his only formal education in biology was not in general biology in which one is taught a little bit about evolution, but in the area of applied environmental biology, an area of biology in which he was taught virtually nothing at all about evolutionary biology. Most of the middle school science teachers in my community know more about evolutionary biology that does Ken Ham—and of course, Ken Ham has no education at all in geology.

I suppose that Ken Ham means well, but I believe that Christians have an obligation before God to get a good education before they go about teaching others.
 
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Our faith is built on acknowledging facts and deciding to believe something contrary to them.

Fact: Jesus was a man
Fact: God is the opposite of man in almost every way.
Faith: Jesus was God.

Fact: When someone is stabbed in the heart they die
Fact: Jesus was stabbed in the heart
Faith: Jesus IS alive

Fact: The bible says that the earth was made in 7 days
Fact: The earth was made over a period of billions of years
Faith: The Bible is right no matter what the logic or evidence.

I don't see the problem, except when people try to start arguing that it makes logical sense that Jesus was God, that it makes logical sense that Jesus is alive today or that it makes logical sense that the earth is 7k-ish years old.

It's jiberish, a stumbling block to the Greek, but a truth that transcends our own reality.

But when we conduct heart surgery or looking for oil we go on the assumption that stabbing someone in the heart is a bad idea and we go on the assumption that layers of dirt have collected over millions of years.
 
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Ken Ham's attribution in his books shows his reliance on people who do know what they are talking about. It isn't unusual to see the opposition trying to discredit the things they care so deeply about, i.e. the evolutionists who care so deeply about their science that they try to change what the Holy Bible tells us about God and His Creation.
 
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My faith is built upon an academically defensible interpretation of the Bible; such an interpretation, by definition, does not allow me to believe anything that is contrary to fact.

God is NOT the opposite of man in almost every way. Genesis 1:26. Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” (NASB, 1995)

When my friend was stabbed in the heart, he did not die. He was taken to a hospital, his chest was opened, the hole in heart was sutured shut, and he was out of the hospital the very next day (he did not have health insurance, so as soon as he was stabilized, the hospital showed him the exit). Jesus died on the cross, and rose from the dead on the third day.

The bible does NOT say that the earth was made in 7 days. Gen. 2:2. By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

When the creation accounts in Genesis are harmonized with science, as the time of year of the birth of Christ is harmonized with science, there are no contradictions between the creation accounts in Genesis and science.
 
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Ken Ham's attribution in his books shows his reliance on people who do know what they are talking about.
They do NOT know what they are talking about because they lack an education evolutionary biology.

It isn't unusual to see the opposition trying to discredit the things they care so deeply about, i.e. the evolutionists who care so deeply about their science that they try to change what the Holy Bible tells us about God and His Creation.
You are correct; it is not at all unusual to see the opposition trying to discredit the things they care so deeply about. Yesterday, I attended a pro-Israel rally that had formed in opposition to a protest by about 150 pro-Palestinians who were protesting against apartheid in Israel. The pro-Palestinians were walking around carrying banners saying, “End apartheid in Israel.” They apparently had heard, or thought that they had heard, that there is apartheid in Israel—but there is not. Indeed, many Palestinians have moved to Israel to take advantage of Israel’s exceptionally strong stand for human rights! There, the Palestinians are able to share the very same right that the Jews enjoy—the very opposite of apartheid!

Ken Ham and his followers do not understand the theory of evolution or the evidence in support of it. They are, by analogy, protesting against apartheid in Israel! No one in this thread is trying to “change what the Holy Bible tells us about God and His Creation.” Personally, I am advocating for an academically defensible interpretation of Genesis 1-11, an interpretation that will not serve to prove to millions upon millions of young people that the Bible is not a reliable source for truth.
 
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What do scientists call their new religion? I guess they could try Scientificanism.
 
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Are the miracles and stories in the New Testament figurative or historic fact?


I'm not trying to ostracize you; I am just curious. You can just private message me your response.

Jesus and the New Testament writers employed literary devices to get their message across to their audience. Jesus very often used the literary device of parables; Paul used the rhetorical “I” in the present tense and the first person singular when arguing against the incorrect views and suppositions of some of the Jews in the Church in Rome. Many more examples could be cited. However, the miracle narratives in the New Testament must be taken as literally true narratives, for if taken otherwise, the truth of the deity of Christ is figuratively flushed down the toilet. Furthermore, there is nothing at all in the miracle narratives in the New Testament to indicate that they should be otherwise understood. The argument from some ultraliberal theologians that the miracles could not possibly have been real is to misunderstand the very nature of miracles.
 
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Watch this video by theTRUTHgroup. They've also made a full hour long DVD that is available on both their website and LivingWaters.com called "TRUTH about the Dinosaurs."
The Bible Rip - Daniel Johnson / TRUTH Group
 
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Michael, I don't believe that anyone here is deleting verses.

Honestly, the case against the historicity of Genesis has been building over the past two centuries. I'm not saying that Genesis isn't true, but...

There has been quite a bit of evidence against parts of it. I don't see how it can be irresponsible or sacreligious to question or reinterpret parts of the Bible that are inconsistent with obvious facts.

In fact, I would argue that faith crosses into fantasy when people interpret science to fit into heir own religious theology. In fact, this more than just disturbing--its dangerous.

It's not like people are trying to prove the Bible to be incorrect. People have discovered that parts of their theology are inconsistent with what they know to be scientifically true.
 
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Thank you, joshua41, for your excellent post. May God bless you and continue to strengthen you in your faith.
 
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No, you're completely wrong. The case FOR the literal interpretation of Genesis has been increasing during the past several centuries. You clearly did not watch the video all the way through. If one cannot believe what the Bible says about creation, then that opens up any other part of the Bible to eventually being relegated as fiction or fairy tales. It's like the old saying says, "If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile." The controversy over "In God We Trust" being on our money began because of the ruling to take "In the beginning..." out of public schools.

Seven Reasons Why Christians Should NOT Accept Millions of Years:

1.) The Bible clearly teaches that God created in six literal, 24-hour days a few thousand years ago.

The Hebrew word for day in Genesis 1 is yom. In the vast majority of its uses in the Old Testament (OT) it means a literal day and where it doesn’t the context makes this clear.
Similarly, the context of Genesis 1 clearly shows that the days of creation were literal days. First, yom is defined the first time it is used in the Bible (Gen. 1:4–5) in its two literal senses: the light portion of the light/dark cycle and the whole light/dark cycle. Second, yom is used with “evening” and “morning.” Everywhere these two words are used in the OT, either together or separately and with or without yom in the context, they always mean a literal evening or morning of a literal day. Third, yom is modified with a number: one day, second day, third day, etc., which everywhere else in the Old Testament indicates literal days. Fourth, yom is defined literally in Gen. 1:14 in relation to the heavenly bodies.
That these creation days happened only about 6,000 years ago is clear from the genealogies of Gen. 5 and 11 (which give very detailed chronological information, unlike the clearly abbreviated genealogy in Matt. 1) and other chronological information in the Bible.

2.) Exodus 20:11 blocks all attempts to fit millions of years into Genesis 1.

This verse gives the reason for God’s command to Israel to work six days and then take a Sabbath rest. Yom is used in both parts of the commandment. If God meant that the Jews were to work six days because He created over six long periods of time, He could have said that using one of three indefinite Hebrew time words. He chose the only word that means a literal day and the Jews understood it literally (until the idea of million of years developed in the early 19th century). For this reason, the day-age view or framework hypothesis must be rejected. The gap theory or any other attempt to put millions of years before the six days are also false, because God says that in six days He made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them. So He made everything in those six literal days and nothing before the first day.

3.) Noah’s Flood washes away millions of years.

The evidence in Gen. 6–9 for a global catastrophic flood is overwhelming. For example, the Flood was intended to destroy not only all sinful people but also all land animals and birds and the surface of the earth, which only a global flood could accomplish. The Ark’s purpose was to save two of every kind of land animal and bird to repopulate the earth after the flood. The Ark was totally unnecessary, if the Flood was local. People, animals and birds could have migrated out of the flood zone before it occurred or the zone could have been populated from creatures outside the area after the Flood. The catastrophic nature is seen in the nonstop rain for at least 40 days, which would have produced massive erosion, mud slides, hurricanes, etc. The Hebrew words translated “the fountains of the great deep burst open” (Gen. 7:11) clearly point to tectonic rupturing of the earth’s surface in many places for 150 days, resulting in volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunamis. Noah’s Flood would produce exactly the kind of complex geological record we see today worldwide: thousands of feet of sediments clearly deposited by water and later hardened into rock and containing billions of fossils. If the year-long Flood is responsible for most of the rock layers and fossils, then those rocks and fossils cannot represent the history of the earth over millions of years, as evolutionists claim.

4.) Jesus was a young-earth creationist.

Jesus consistently treated the miracle accounts of the Old Testament as straightforward, truthful, historical accounts (e.g., creation of Adam, Noah and the Flood, Lot and his wife in Sodom, Moses and the manna, and Jonah in the fish). He continually affirmed the authority of Scripture over men’s ideas and traditions (Matt. 15:1–9). In Mark 10:6 we have the clearest (but not the only) statement showing that Jesus was a young-earth creationist. He states that Adam and Eve were at the beginning of creation, not billions of years after the beginning, as would be the case if the universe was really billions of years old. So, if Jesus was a young-earth creationist, then how can His faithful followers have any other view?

5.) Belief in millions of years undermines the Bible’s teaching on death and on the character of God.

Genesis 1 says six times that God called the creation “good” and when He finished creation on Day 6 He called everything “very good.” Man and animals and birds were originally vegetarian (Gen. 1:29–30, plants are not “living creatures,” as people and animals are, according Scripture). But Adam and Eve sinned, resulting in the judgment of God on the whole creation. Instantly Adam and Eve died spiritually, and after God’s curse they began to die physically. The serpent and Eve were changed physically and the ground itself was cursed (Gen. 3:14–19). The whole creation now groans in bondage to corruption waiting for the final redemption of Christians (Rom. 8:19–25) when we will see the restoration of all things (Acts 3:21, Col. 1:20) to a state similar to the pre-Fall world, when there will be no more carnivore behavior (Isa. 11:6–9) and no disease, suffering or death (Rev. 21:3–5) because there will be no more Curse (Rev. 22:3). To accept millions of years of animal death before the creation and Fall of man contradicts and destroys the Bible’s teaching on death and the full redemptive work of Christ. It also makes God into a bumbling, cruel creator who uses (or can’t prevent) disease, natural disasters and extinctions to mar His creative work, without any moral cause, but calls it all “very good.”

6.) The idea of millions of years did not come from the scientific facts.

It was developed by deistic and atheistic geologists in the late 18th and early 19th century. These men used anti-biblical philosophical and religious assumptions to interpret the geological observations in a way that plainly contradicted the biblical account of creation, the Flood and the age of the earth. Most church leaders and scholars quickly compromised using the gap theory, day-age view, local flood view, etc. to try to fit “deep time” into the Bible. But they did not understand the geological arguments nor did they defend their views by careful Bible study. The “deep time” idea flows out of naturalistic assumptions, not scientific observations.

7.) Radiometric dating methods do not prove millions of years.

Radiometric dating was not developed until the early 20th century, by which time the whole world had already accepted the millions of years. For many years creation scientists have cited many examples in the published scientific literature of these dating methods clearly giving erroneous dates (e.g., a date of millions of years for lava flows that occurred in the past few hundred years or even decades). In recent years creationists in the “RATE project” have done experimental, theoretical and field research to uncover more such evidence (e.g., diamonds and coal, which the evolutionists say are millions of years old, were dated by carbon-14 to be only thousands of years old) and to show that decay rates were orders of magnitude faster in the past, which shrinks the millions of years dates to thousands of years, confirming the Bible.

Article From: Seven reasons why we should not accept millions of years

Also, view this video. It's long, but completely debunks Evolution:
Age of the Earth
 
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Was Jesus a young-earth creationist? No, of course not. We have known for 150 years that the earth is at least many million of years old, and in more recent years, we have learned that the earth is at least hundreds of million of years old. And Jesus, being the Son of God, certainly did not know less than we do. It has been alleged by some people, however, that there are passages in the New Testament that indicate that Jesus believed in both a young earth and the historicity of Noah and the ark. Therefore, let us take a look at those passages to see what they actually tell us.

Mark 10:6. But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE.
7. “FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,
8. AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.
9. “What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” (NASB, 1995)

Compare this passage with one of my own in a post from March 2010,

Eve, and then Adam, sinned because they were tempted and allowed themselves to be seduced by the powers of darkness. The consequence is that they were cast out of the garden and lost their immortality. Paul tells us that we sinned in Adam and ultimately die as a consequence. He does not tell us that we inherited a disposition to sin.

In my passage, I am using Adam and Eve in a figurative manner to expound upon Paul's teaching on Rom. 5:12-14. In Paul’s day, the story of Adam and Eve was believed by most of the Jews to be an accurate, literal account of historic events, and Paul used that belief to teach the doctrine of original sin.

Jesus, in his passage (Mark 10:6-9), used the story of Adam and Eve for the same reason to teach about marriage and divorce. In Matt. 24:37-38, Jesus used the story of Noah and the ark to teach about the time of His second coming. In Luke 17:26-27, we find a parallel account of the same teaching.

Does my use of the story of creation to expound upon Paul's teaching on Rom. 5:12-14 indicate that I believe that the creation narratives in Genesis are an accurate, literal account of historic events. No, of course not

For the sake of clarity, here is my passage regarding Adam and Eve in the context in which it was written,

Therefore, it is asked, what did happen when Adam sinned by eating the forbidden fruit?

Rom. 5:12. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--
13. for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Paul argues here that we all sinned in Adam, the proof being that we all die, including those who lived before the Law was given, and sin is not imputed when there is no law. Therefore, the ONLY sin for which those who sinned before the Law was given would have paid the penalty of death is the sin that they committed in Adam. Although the Law had not yet been given when Adam sinned, he was specifically told by God,

Gen. 2:16. The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
17. but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

Eve, and then Adam, sinned because they were tempted and allowed themselves to be seduced by the powers of darkness. The consequence is that they were cast out of the garden and lost their immortality. Paul tells us that we sinned in Adam and ultimately die as a consequence. He does not tell us that we inherited a disposition to sin.

(All quotations from Scripture are from the NASB, 1995)
 
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The Holy Bible teaches that all men have the sin nature.

Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the
lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;
and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he
loved us,

2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with​
Christ, (by grace ye are saved
 
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