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No. You asked what facts are there outside the scientific method and I gave you a whole field of knowledge.
(replying to the thread title)
None.
Very well.
Try for facts about our universe then. Can you show me one demonstrably true fact about our universe that does not come from the scientific method.
Relative in the sense that it depends on presuppositions, like an external reality. I think "sensory experience" is itself a translation - back in the day they didn't have the same model of the senses we have nowadays, so even something so basic as "sense data" is based in a model with its presuppositions.Is that true? Just for you or everyone?
You get my point, relative truth is self defeating.
Not sure to be honest. Sometimes I just post and hope.(Yesterday night I attended a two and a half hours service and sermon at a charismatic church. Well, I thoroughly regret it, though.)
But what does any of this have to do with "justifying beliefs" (the topic of this thread)?
? They are all facts based on axioms.
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Very well.
Try for facts about our universe then. Can you show me one demonstrably true fact about our universe that does not come from the scientific method.
Depends what you mean by demonstrably. There are lots of metaphysical facts that cannot be proved scientifically, such as the fact the external world exists at all and is not a construct of my mind.
And like I said, plenty of mathematical truths are demonstrable. You can draw a right-angled triangle and measure the sides to confirm pythagorus's theorem
A squared + B Squared = C squared. I think you have this one backwards. Facts are not scientific, science uses facts. Facts exist all on their own.
You tell me. What's to expand on?
No proof or evidence for atheism.
Science is a tool used to discover facts about our universe. It was science that discovered the fact about how our sun glows, for example. Science discovered the facts about how old dinosaur fossils are.
Where do facts come from if not from scientific investigation? And how do we determine that they are facts if not for science?
Science is the tool of exploration, agreed. But it is not the only viable tool. It is simply the most accurate one.
No proof or evidence for atheism.
Math, Logic, and religion have all served that purpose to some extent.Please describe for me another tool by which we can learn about our universe.
Math, Logic, and religion have all served that purpose to some extent.
WINNER! YES! TRUE that men use math, logic, (even science) and religion to learn about the world and universe, (they think so anyway, though usually .... )Math, Logic, and religion have all served that purpose to some extent.
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