Do Animals Have Sentience?

[Shy21]

Do you? In fact, Scripture goes and says that vegetarianism is not of God. Smoking is bad for you. End of story. It's a drug. It's addictive.
What does any of this have to do with the topic? Cleanliness is a rule, here.

Yes. Okay. But there are at least implications for any and all questions of morals in the bible. Find some. There are some for smoking, some for the other thing, and some for this, I'm sure.

So smoking is addictive and meat isn't? If people could survive without meat...I bet that people would still eat meat. I bet if G-d said stop eating meat and its now a sin.....I bet people would still eat meat because it's so goooood and addictive. You dont think people can be addicted to meat??? Remember that verse in the Bible where G-d took away "meat" because people keep begging for it? Does anybody remember that verse or Scripture? I know it's in the Old Testament.

To that person that states those Bible verses......it doesnt say anything about smoking. I understand smoking is bad....im allergic to it so I dont smoke....but the Bible doesnt say anything about it. You read that verse about cleaness in your Bible....like I said my uncle is 63...smoke all his life and he is a very healthy man(that's what the doctors say) so is he committing a sin?

So I see your "G-d" believes in suffer for animals so they can be food, am I right?

Oh yeah I never said eating meat is a sin.....find in one of my post where I said this. IN fact I did say......Its understandable if humans kill animals and they dont suffer that much pain, in my opinion, but when they suffer its CRUEL and WRONG and it's not G-d. I dont care what you say....G-d isnt that mean. If your Bible says He accepts the suffer of animals.....wow.....what a nice G-d you worship.

Oh yeah where does it say vegetarianism is NOT of G-d in the Bible? In the Garden of Eden we didnt eat ANY animal products...so all of a sudden it's a sin? Why would G-d all of a sudden make it a sin? He only said man can eat "animals" because of the fall. If it wasn't for the fall.......you and everyone else would be vegetarian......PLEASE prove me wrong on this if I am wrong.

But I think that's funny that you said vegetarianism is not of G-d. I guess I am sinning then...I choose not to eat meat because I hate how people treat animals and me being nice to animals is not of G-d....wow....what G-d are you worshipping. Since you know all the answer to G-d ways and all.....I am afraid to ask how G-d feel on abortion.

 

[PACKY]

very true people in biblical times did have animals and raised them for their flesh,
but tell me this how many people in biblical times caged there animals in steel and concrete pens, how many people in biblical times housed thousands of animals in one dark stank building, in biblical times animals were not called "units"
Scripture says a lot yet god gave man free will did he not? It's about the respect and kindness that we express to all of gods creatures, like i said earlier how will we ever get along with our fellow man and live in the teachings of the christ when we cant even show love and compassion to the lords smallest creation?

 

[eastside9008]

yes i believe that all animals do

 

[Blank123]

Remember that verse in the Bible where G-d took away "meat" because people keep begging for it? Does anybody remember that verse or Scripture? I know it's in the Old Testament.

I'll be honest, I don't remember reading that, if you know the reference, I'd be interested in seeing that

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

The scripture she's referring to is when the Israelites came out of Egypt and had no meat, and they were grumbling to God that slavery was better. She's implying that because God was displeased with their grumbling over the manna He supernaturally provided for their nourishment, that this is a scriptural case against eating meat, although God commanded them to eat meat when they had it. Not sure what the Jewish star icon is about then, but I think this is just flame bait to annoy Christians anyway.

I'm headed out.

 

[andiesmama]

I think the thread title is misleading....this has turned into a debate on eating meat vs being a vegetarian!!

If you are going to eat an animal.....kill the animal yourself and eat it like they did in the Bible.

I think someone asked before if that's what you do? Because as for myself (yes, I DO enjoy a really good steak!!), I live in a suburb of a big city and the grocery store is alot more convenient for me than heading out into the woods (which there aren't any near me)...WITH my 2 year old, mind you...and shooting a deer or something. And I don't think raising cattle on our tiny lot in the middle of town would sit well with code enforcement....

 

[PACKY]

the intent of this post was to get people thinking about gods smallest creatures it was to point out the fact that we all (most of us) beleive that animals have feelings and sentience, look at you pets do you think they have feelings? when you leaveteh house they become sad and lonesome and when you come home are they not waiting there for you happy? This has nothing to do with the eating of meat this has to do with the treatment and abuse of animals
IF WE CANNONT TREAT GODS SMALLEST CREATION WITH RESPECT AND LOVE HOW WILL WE EVER FIND PEACE BETWEEN MAN?
hope that sheds some light on my reasonings of this post.........

 

[Faith In God]

the intent of this post was to get people thinking about gods smallest creatures it was to point out the fact that we all (most of us) beleive that animals have feelings and sentience, look at you pets do you think they have feelings? when you leaveteh house they become sad and lonesome and when you come home are they not waiting there for you happy? This has nothing to do with the eating of meat this has to do with the treatment and abuse of animals
IF WE CANNONT TREAT GODS SMALLEST CREATION WITH RESPECT AND LOVE HOW WILL WE EVER FIND PEACE BETWEEN MAN?
hope that sheds some light on my reasonings of this post.........

That's good reasoning, but is there any Scriptural backing? I'm sure that there might be, but belief of a Christian mind should be sound with Scripture.

 

[PACKY]

HERE ARE SOME SCRIPTUAL QUOTES:

Genesis l:29 Behold I have given you herbyielding seed. To you it shall be for meat.

“God said ‘See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.’”(1:29)

Isaiah 11:6-9.
"The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, and their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea."


Jesus is the Prince of Peace. So we should seek to bring about that peace between man and animals now. [Hosea 2:18]

The exact Hebrew wording of this biblical phrase is lo tirtzack. One of the greatest scholars of Hebrew/English linguistics (in the Twentieth Century) -Dr. Reuben Alcalay - has written in his mammoth book the Complete Hebrew /English Dictionary that "tirtzach" refers to "any kind of killing whatsoever." The word "lo," as you might suspect, means "thou shalt not."

Romans 14:21
It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause any man to stumble.
"The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea." (Gen. 9:2)

"the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Romans 14:17).

(1 Tim 4:1-4 KJV) "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:"

HOPE THAT HELPS!!!!

GOD BLESS YOU ALL.......
REMEMBER " BLESSED ARE THE MERCIFUL, FOR THEY WILL BE SHOWN MERCY" (MATTHEW 5:7)

 

[Shy21]

The scripture she's referring to is when the Israelites came out of Egypt and had no meat, and they were grumbling to God that slavery was better. She's implying that because God was displeased with their grumbling over the manna He supernaturally provided for their nourishment, that this is a scriptural case against eating meat, although God commanded them to eat meat when they had it. Not sure what the Jewish star icon is about then, but I think this is just flame bait to annoy Christians anyway.

I'm headed out.

OOOOOK. The Jewish star icon means I am Jewish. I am not here to annoy Christians. I can be Jewish and actually try to understand unbelievers....something Christians try hard not to do. But anyways I am just responding to these post with what I believe....

 

[PACKY]

OOOOOK. The Jewish star icon means I am Jewish. I am not here to annoy Christians. I can be Jewish and actually try to understand unbelievers....something Christians try hard not to do. But anyways I am just responding to these post with what I believe....

WOW.. this post took a turn for the worst, 1) the whole comment on the star of david and it being flame bait? WRONG!!! onmany different levels 2) the way that i live my life as a christian is very simple try to not judge others and to show respect and kindness... please attempt to understand each other the fact that this ocured shows the direct reasoning for this post in the first place
HOW WILL WE EVER FIND PEACE AMONG MEN, WHEN WE CANT EVEN FIND PEACE AND RESPECT AMONG GODS MOST MEEK AND INNOCENT CREATION?

 

[Flopsy Rabbit]

There are scriptures in the Bible that give guidelines for the humain treatment of animals, even how they are to be slaughtered mercifully, It is unbiblical as I can see it to treat animals inhumainly, God cares even for the sparrow as he said,, and the righteous man regardeth the life of his beast. We shouldn't trash the environment, or mistreat animals, they do have feelings, they are not things like rocks and dirt, and they do suffer. God does not cause suffering nor think it is ok to cause it as far as I can see, that is the work of the devil. Making an animal comfortable and happy while it is alive and if you do kill it for whatever reason, you do it in a humain way so they do not suffer and you have a needful reason for doing it. Keeping animals in dirty cramped conditions... abuse and neglect is not Gods way, animals are his creation just like people, and he would not wish for his people to be treated that way either. bad treatment happens to both animals and people but not a part of Gods plan. People lots of times say "well it's just an animal" But I can also tell you that there is the same attitude toward handicapped people, they are considered less important and since they are helpless and cant "contribute" like others they too are treated very badly. Jesus rode on a donkey to the stable he was born in and he rode on a donkey into Jerusalem before he was crucified. God used a donkey to give a message to Ballam. He made the animals before he made man and then he told man to take good care of them. I think He means for us to do just that. I know that animals feel soo much. I have taken care of so many who were unwanted, neglected, sick, I have cryed my heart out for and with them. God has heard my prayers and answered them over and over again for them, what is unimportant to people is important to Him. I'm not so good at telling my thoughts but here I have tried.

 

[PACKY]

heres another spin on things, Slave owners once used teh bible to condone slavery just as sport hunters&factory farm operators use it today (Dominion over animals`?` ) it has been said that the bible can be used to condone/condemn almost anything. If the bible claims that something was ok in biblical times is it still alright now?

 

[Flopsy Rabbit]

Don't know what you mean by "dominion over animals" G-d gave man the responsibility to take good care of the animals, not to say that they were over them so they could treat them any way they wanted. G-d is not a tyrant. Because a parent has authority or anyone has authority over another does not mean that G-d wants them to be cruel and use their power for their own advantage without regard for the ones under their care etc. The Bible can be used to condone anything IF it is used out of context or not taken as a whole for what it says.

 

[PACKY]

Dominion hasbeen perceived to mean ownership however the true meaning was stewardship..... even if it meant owner ship it still does not allow man to harms god creation

 

[eaglex]

i WOULD SAY MAYBE. I am hoping that GOD will give them the ability to talk like he did the ones when JESUS was born.

 

[PACKY]

i think that the look in their eyes when they are happy or sad speaks volumes themselves..

DO you think that animals in todays world/society are treated with the proper degree of respect and rights that they deserve?

 

[Blank123]

i WOULD SAY MAYBE. I am hoping that GOD will give them the ability to talk like he did the ones when JESUS was born.

the animals talked when Jesus was born? I must've missed that can you give a reference?

 

[beanshaped]

I think they do.

 

[Evee]

i think that the look in their eyes when they are happy or sad speaks volumes themselves..

DO you think that animals in todays world/society are treated with the proper degree of respect and rights that they deserve?

No they aren't.
we are to be good stewards and caretakers of anything that is in our possession.
People dump dogs on this country road where I live and it is cruel and heartless.
Some get hit by cars and some starve to death.
I feed all the strays to the best of my ability.