Do All People Love God?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Doesn't a prayer for faith require faith?

No.

 

[Hammster]

Be offended if you wish. I explained how i meant it, now it's up to you.

General Theology is about theology, so maybe you can explain yours.

I'm not offended at all.

 

[Hammster]

No.

Why not? Isn't there a hope that there's someone on the other end to answer?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Doesn't a prayer for faith require faith?

"no"

Why not? Isn't there a hope that there's someone on the other end to answer?

(1) Faith and hope are not the same thing.
(2) Neither faith nor hope is required to pray.
(3) Neither faith nor hope is required to seek God's Kingdom, or even to keep seeking His Kingdom.
(4) Since few ever find His Kingdom, since few love God, I'm not sure what the faith (if any), or hope (if any), or purpose (if any) of this thread is.

 

[Hammster]

"no"



(1) Faith and hope are not the same thing.
(2) Neither faith nor hope is required to pray.
(3) Neither faith nor hope is required to seek God's Kingdom, or even to keep seeking His Kingdom.
(4) Since few ever find His Kingdom, since few love God, I'm not sure what the faith (if any), or hope (if any), or purpose (if any) of this thread is.

When I said "hope", I wasn't referring to biblical hope.

So let's try this. Isn't there an expectation that someone is on the other end to answer?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

...Isn't there an expectation that someone is on the other end to answer?

Not usually, not righteously in truth. (world wide, all people included)

Note that as God reveals in Scripture,
multitudes do (apparently) hope or think someone will answer,
they also think it will be good for them,
but they find out(eventually, in this life or in the next too late) that the one who answers them, is the enemy, and is not good for anyone, especially themselves.

 

[Hammster]

Not usually, not righteously in truth. (world wide, all people included)

Note that as God reveals in Scripture,
multitudes do (apparently) hope or think someone will answer,
they also think it will be good for them,
but they find out(eventually, in this life or in the next too late) that the one who answers them, is the enemy, and is not good for anyone, especially themselves.

So if there's no reasonable expectation, why would someone who has no faith pray for faith?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So if there's no reasonable expectation, why would someone who has no faith pray for faith?

Why do you keep changing your words/ questions one after another ?

 

[Hammster]

Why do you keep changing your words/ questions one after another ?

Well, am I just supposed to keep repeating the same thing over and over? You certainly aren't.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well, am I just supposed to keep repeating the same thing over and over? You certainly aren't.

You have / keep/ asking different questions one after the other , and don't seem to understand your questions themselves (nor what is different in them, or even that they are different each time) , nor the answers from Scripture.

I don't say the same thing over and over, except when the same thing is true each time - in that case there is no change at all in what I say.

 

[Hammster]

You have / keep/ asking different questions one after the other , and don't seem to understand your questions themselves (nor what is different in them, or even that they are different each time) , nor the answers from Scripture.

I don't say the same thing over and over, except when the same thing is true each time - in that case there is no change at all in what I say.

The question evolved.

Doesn't a prayer for faith require faith?

You said that no, it doesn't, and it's not reasonable to expect an answer.

So if there's no reasonable expectation, why would someone who has no faith pray for faith?

Which led us here.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Doesn't a prayer for faith require faith?

No.

"no"
(1) Faith and hope are not the same thing.
(2) Neither faith nor hope is required to pray.
(3) Neither faith nor hope is required to seek God's Kingdom, or even to keep seeking His Kingdom.
(4) Since few ever find His Kingdom, since few love God, I'm not sure what the faith (if any), or hope (if any), or purpose (if any) of this thread is.

When I said "hope", I wasn't referring to biblical hope.
So let's try this. Isn't there an expectation that someone is on the other end to answer?

note: regardless "hope" or "biblical hope" - neither is the same as faith.

Not usually, not righteously in truth. (world wide, all people included)
Note that as God reveals in Scripture,
multitudes do (apparently) hope or think someone will answer,
they also think it will be good for them,
but they find out(eventually, in this life or in the next too late) that the one who answers them, is the enemy, and is not good for anyone, especially themselves.

So if there's no reasonable expectation, why would someone who has no faith pray for faith?

Who introduced "reasonable expectation", and why ? (when did "reasonable" get added, also?)

You said that no, it doesn't, and it's not reasonable to expect an answer.

Correct, no, faith is not required to pray for faith, as posted earlier.

Look again and see if anyone said "it's not reasonable to expect an answer".
(in any post copied here-in; or any other post) ....

See, your questions and words keep changing for whatever reason - as if you don't know the answer to your own previous question/post/idea; or as if you don't accept the answer (I'm not sure which reason, if there is a reason, or why;
or even if it is simply to get clarification, all of which is fine , sort of, pending the overall pursuit/motive subject to Jesus).

If this can be split up again for clarity - one question at a time - that's fine by me.

Or , a new question , perhaps... to sort of refresh the perspectives/viewpoints involved....

 

[Hammster]

note: regardless "hope" or "biblical hope" - neither is the same as faith.


Who introduced "reasonable expectation", and why ? (when did "reasonable" get added, also?)

Correct, no, faith is not required to pray for faith, as posted earlier.

Look again and see if anyone said "it's not reasonable to expect an answer".
(in any post copied here-in; or any other post) ....

See, your questions and words keep changing for whatever reason - as if you don't know the answer to your own previous question/post/idea; or as if you don't accept the answer (I'm not sure which reason, if there is a reason, or why;
or even if it is simply to get clarification, all of which is fine , sort of, pending the overall pursuit/motive subject to Jesus).

If this can be split up again for clarity - one question at a time - that's fine by me.

Or , a new question , perhaps... to sort of refresh the perspectives/viewpoints involved....

Okay, so you can't follow the discussion. That's not my fault.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Okay, so you can't follow the discussion. That's not my fault.

I noticed you do the same thing your claiming falsely,
or at least other posters seem to have noted it-
you switch words/ terms/ questions/
as if you don't even know you're doing it,
and without understanding the original question, or any of the subsequent questions.

Then, as if to confirm this, against yourself, instead of clarifying when you have the opportunity (or rather when you are offered the opportunity) ,
you further digress without understanding , and instead accuse others falsely of some trivial distracting thing as an excuse not to have to state your own position more clearly(as if you could).

 

[Hammster]

I noticed you do the same thing your claiming falsely,
or at least other posters seem to have noted it-
you switch words/ terms/ questions/
as if you don't even know you're doing it,
and without understanding the original question, or any of the subsequent questions.

Then, as if to confirm this, against yourself, instead of clarifying when you have the opportunity (or rather when you are offered the opportunity) ,
you further digress without understanding , and instead accuse others falsely of some trivial distracting thing as an excuse not to have to state your own position more clearly(as if you could).

Okay.

 

[Wordkeeper]

"no one seeks for God."

Acts 17:26and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;28for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’

Bolded by me.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Faith and hope are not the same thing.

There is Biblical Hope and natural hope.
Biblical Hope Works with Faith

Neither faith nor hope is required to pray.

If you want results then it is. If you simply want to talk to the air then Yea Faith and Hope is not needed.

) Neither faith nor hope is required to seek God's Kingdom, or even to keep seeking His Kingdom.

You can't please God outside of Faith.
Blessings