DNA Code Indicates Creator

[Radrook]

A few questions,
how did you get to the point where the answer was a God?
how were you able to say it was the God you believed in who did it?
why did you rule out aliens doing it?
how can you believe it was done by a God if you don't have any evidence that it was done by a God?

I didn't say God or gods. I said creator.

 

[bhsmte]

I didn't say God or gods. I said creator.

Who is this creator in your mind?

 

[dad]

Who is this creator in your mind?

Good question.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The claim is that science doesn't know what genetics/DNA was like in the former nature when Adam and Noah lived.

What former nature?
Got anything besides human opinions and beliefs, that such a "former nature" existed?

I place the flood probably somewhere around the KT layer. Show us DNA from there, or face the obvious.

The obvious, being that you're just making bare assertions?

 

[dad]

What former nature?
Got anything besides human opinions and beliefs, that such a "former nature" existed?

For you, it doesn't matter. All you need to know is that fake news science doesn't know.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

For you, it doesn't matter. All you need to know is that fake news science doesn't know.

I'll take that as a "no": you do not have anything besides human opinions and beliefs, to assert such a thing.

That means the conversation is over.

Try again when you have something more then "i believe it!".

 

[dad]

I'll take that as a "no": you do not have anything besides human opinions and beliefs, to assert such a thing.

That means the conversation is over.

Try again when you have something more then "i believe it!".

It means that science cannot say either way. Of course the conversation is over since you can say nothing that challenges that simple fact. Once we see that science doesn't know, heck, why even talk to deniers about actual historical and biblical evidence?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It means that science cannot say either way.

In other words: it's indistinguishable from pure fantasy.

Of course the conversation is over since you can say nothing that challenges that simple fact.

I don't need to challenge that which isn't even argued.

You're just saying "i believe it!!" and I'm responding with "I don't..."
And that's that. You're not giving me any reason for why I also should believe it.
Merely you believing it is not a good enough reason for me to also believe it.

Once we see that science doesn't know, heck, why even talk to deniers about actual historical and biblical evidence?

When science doesn't know, then it is unknown.

Go ahead and speculate till you are blue in the face.
In the end, you'll still just end up with stuff that can't be differentiated from pure fantasy. As a result, it will have the same merrit as fantasy when it comes to its relevance to actual reality or its non-existant contribution to our understanding of reality.

 

[dad]

In other words: it's indistinguishable from pure fantasy.

Even worse, it IS pure fantasy until and unless you prove a same state past nature!

I don't need to challenge that which isn't even argued.

Or post that which makes no sense?

You're just saying "i believe it!!" and I'm responding with "I don't..."
And that's that. You're not giving me any reason for why I also should believe it.
Merely you believing it is not a good enough reason for me to also believe it.

It is not about what you believe but what you both know and can post.

When science doesn't know, then it is unknown.

Bingo. So it needs to make sure it makes it clear everything that drips out of it's mouth is a fable.

Until you really solidly evidence that nature you base models of the past on, what science says will have the same merit as fantasy when it comes to its relevance to actual reality or its non-existent contribution to our understanding of reality.

 

[PsychoSarah]

For you, it doesn't matter. All you need to know is that fake news science doesn't know.

Demonstrate that every scientific discovery and conclusion that you disagree with is wrong. If you can't, then you have no right to call it fake. And calling the bible true over and over isn't going to cut it; some observations independent of your religion.

 

[dad]

Demonstrate that every scientific discovery and conclusion that you disagree with is wrong.

There is none I disagree with. The thing is the first lifeform is not a discovery!
The same state nature in the past was not a discovery, but a belief. The big bang is not a discovery...etc.

Examples of actual discoveries might be, a better toilet tissue...better bridge building technology, space travel....etc.

Just forget asking me to prove the real past here. That we can accept or deny. The issue in this thread is ancient DNA. I place the flood somewhere maybe near or at the KT layer. Got any DNA from then?? That is what you need here.

 

[PsychoSarah]

There is none I disagree with. The thing is the first lifeform is not a discovery!
The same state nature in the past was not a discovery, but a belief. The big bang is not a discovery...etc.

Examples of actual discoveries might be, a better toilet tissue...better bridge building technology, space travel....etc.

Just forget asking me to prove the real past here. That we can accept or deny. The issue in this thread is ancient DNA. I place the flood somewhere maybe near or at the KT layer. Got any DNA from then?? That is what you need here.

DNA from the KT layer would be impossible in an old Earth model. You probably are aware of that, since DNA decays.

Just one observation then, that I should be able to make, that would distinguish a different state past from a legitimately old Earth. Give me something to actually look for, sir.

 

[dad]

DNA from the KT layer would be impossible in an old Earth model. You probably are aware of that, since DNA decays.

Hehe So you have none then!!!! So you should not talk about how it would have mutated, evolved, existed, looked like...etc etc. You have no samples!

Just one observation then, that I should be able to make, that would distinguish a different state past from a legitimately old Earth. Give me something to actually look for, sir.

Look for people living 1000 years. But don't use science. Science doesn't even know we could not leave remains then!

 

[PsychoSarah]

Hehe So you have none then!!!! So you should not talk about how it would have mutated, evolved, existed, looked like...etc etc. You have no samples!

From that time period, no. From pretty far back in the past? Yes. That's how I know Neanderthals aren't the same species as ourselves.

Look for people living 1000 years. But don't use science. Science doesn't even know we could not leave remains then!

-_- why would that make a difference? With advances in medical technology, who knows, one day people might be celebrating their 1000th birthday on a regular basis, thanks to genetic manipulation and artificial organs.

 

[dad]

From that time period, no. From pretty far back in the past? Yes. That's how I know Neanderthals aren't the same species as ourselves.

Well, if they were post flood men, I guess they would have DNA. But if their forefathers were pre present nature man, then we would have none for them. So we could have a few evolved post flood man who migrated to different areas (the bible mentions this actually) then each one would be somewhat different. Then, when the present nature came, they would have started out their genetic existence here already evolved!?

-_- why would that make a difference? With advances in medical technology, who knows, one day people might be celebrating their 1000th birthday on a regular basis, thanks to genetic manipulation and artificial organs.

Your idea is speculation. The other is history!

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So it needs to make sure it makes it clear everything that drips out of it's mouth is a fable.

"Everything" ha?

lol

I guess this technological society you enjoy so much, was build by people clasping their hands in prayer, instead of scientists doing research, building explanatory models of reality and subsequently using that knowledge to create technology.

Until you really solidly evidence that nature you base models of the past on

That is literally what science does every single day.

 

[dad]

"Everything" ha?

lol

I guess this technological society you enjoy so much, was build by people clasping their hands in prayer, instead of scientists doing research, building explanatory models of reality and subsequently using that knowledge to create technology.

Everything regarding origins and old ages and the future fate of the universe etc etc. It may, for now, continue to make me better toilet tissue and such. But I would not bet on science in any form even existing in God's new world coming. The knowledge of the Lord will fill the earth as waters cover the sea. All science will be Christ centered. History, music, etc also of course.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Everything regarding origins and old ages and the future fate of the universe etc etc

You mean like.... atomic theory, geology, astronomy, cosmology, biology,... ?

It may, for now, continue to make me better toilet tissue and such

And nuclear power, micro-chips, medicine, GPS,.....
None of which would work if atomic theory and relativity was wrong.

psssst: radiometric dating can only work if atomic theory is accurate.

But I would not bet on science in any form even existing in God's new world coming.

Ow yes... then it's all about magical mana falling from the sky to eat, magical rainbows and flying unicorns.

The knowledge of the Lord will fill the earth as waters cover the sea. All science will be Christ centered. History, music, etc also of course.

Sounds like lala-land.

 

[dad]

You mean like.... atomic theory, geology, astronomy, cosmology, biology,... ?

As applies to Adam or Noah's day? Yes, absolutely.

And nuclear power, micro-chips, medicine, GPS,.....

You show us how that applies to the early earth, and we'll see.

None of which would work if atomic theory and relativity was wrong.

Says you. Relativity is relative to the present state.

psssst: radiometric dating can only work if atomic theory is accurate.

Psssst...show us why that would be true? If atomic theory is based on watching how atoms work NOW then you need to show how THEN was under the same laws as NOW. Let me know if you need any more basic clues here.

Ow yes... then it's all about magical mana falling from the sky to eat, magical rainbows and flying unicorns.

Sounds like lala-land.

Thanks for your opinion on what it is all about.

 

[dad]

You mean like.... atomic theory, geology, astronomy, cosmology, biology,... ?

As applies to Adam or Noah's day? Yes, absolutely.

And nuclear power, micro-chips, medicine, GPS,.....

You show us how that applies to the early earth, and we'll see.

None of which would work if atomic theory and relativity was wrong.

Says you. Relativity is relative to the present state.

psssst: radiometric dating can only work if atomic theory is accurate.

Psssst...show us why that would be true? If atomic theory is based on watching how atoms work NOW then you need to show how THEN was under the same laws as NOW. Let me know if you need any more basic clues here.

Ow yes... then it's all about magical mana falling from the sky to eat, magical rainbows and flying unicorns.

Sounds like lala-land.

Thanks for your opinion on what it is all about.

 

[dad]

You mean like.... atomic theory, geology, astronomy, cosmology, biology,... ?

As applies to Adam or Noah's day? Yes, absolutely.

And nuclear power, micro-chips, medicine, GPS,.....

You show us how that applies to the early earth, and we'll see.

None of which would work if atomic theory and relativity was wrong.

Says you. Relativity is relative to the present state.

psssst: radiometric dating can only work if atomic theory is accurate.

Psssst...show us why that would be true? If atomic theory is based on watching how atoms work NOW then you need to show how THEN was under the same laws as NOW. Let me know if you need any more basic clues here.

Ow yes... then it's all about magical mana falling from the sky to eat, magical rainbows and flying unicorns.

Sounds like lala-land.

Thanks for your opinion on what it is all about.

 

[dad]

You mean like.... atomic theory, geology, astronomy, cosmology, biology,... ?

As applies to Adam or Noah's day? Yes, absolutely.

And nuclear power, micro-chips, medicine, GPS,.....

You show us how that applies to the early earth, and we'll see.

None of which would work if atomic theory and relativity was wrong.

Says you. Relativity is relative to the present state.

psssst: radiometric dating can only work if atomic theory is accurate.

Psssst...show us why that would be true? If atomic theory is based on watching how atoms work NOW then you need to show how THEN was under the same laws as NOW. Let me know if you need any more basic clues here.

Ow yes... then it's all about magical mana falling from the sky to eat, magical rainbows and flying unicorns.

Sounds like lala-land.

Thanks for your opinion on what it is all about.