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Marriage is for life. But we do not need to remain together in abusive relationships. But if you divorce and remarry it is adultery.

Yes, I am aware some interpret leaving an abusive marriage and remarrying as adultery.

In essence, this interpretation means a person who is forced to leave a marriage because of abuse, must be alone the rest of their life (absent committing to marriage), or commit sin, in some eyes.
 
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Yes, I am aware some interpret leaving an abusive marriage and remarrying as adultery.

In essence, this interpretation means a person who is forced to leave a marriage because of abuse, must be alone the rest of their life (absent committing to marriage), or commit sin, in some eyes.
Think of how much Christ must mean to such a person as this.

“And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive many times more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life.”” (Luke 18:29–30)
 
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Think of how much Christ must mean to such a person as this.

“And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive many times more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life.”” (Luke 18:29–30)

I have no doubt, that this is your personal belief.
 
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There are also other ways that women get devaluation by the Church. Telling women that because they’re women that they can’t hold higher offices in the church or preach to men supposedly because of Eve. . Telling women that painful childbirth is a curse. ( as a person with a biology degree I can tell you that birth in any mammal with a eutherian uterus is painful because most mammals have big brains) . Ju

Bronze Age men treated their wives like property and property can’t just get up and leave . So no divorce unless the thinks she cheated. Don’t even think the man got divorced because he was the cheater

Once again you are using scripture to bang your wrong drum.

The fact that women are not chosen to be leaders of the church is because the bible says so. Full stop.

Painful childbirth is a curse according to scripture. Full stop.

We are not in the bronze age.
 
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a man would have to treat me like an adult , period. I’m not even going to pretend that submissive behavior by women is considerate behavior. Maybe you accepted that type of newspeak because your husband is actually an adult but a lot of men see that as an excuse to bully or devalue !

Another one of your strawmen to try and justify your unbiblical views.
 
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Zoii, I hope you will take the time to read all this....

Everything is wrong here--the whole thing is upside down. It's not your fault, I'm not saying that to you, Zoii. It comes from a culture that glances at the Bible but doesn't study the Bible, doesn't come to church to really learn the Bible.

Well, my church does, thank the Good Lord in heaven. So, you are taking your understanding from what you have soaked up in the world, and you are not to be blamed for that. So did I used to.

In short, in the world the woman has all the blame, responsibility, onus, labor, etc. The woman is lesser. The woman is to submit and the man can do whatever. That's the tinge on the entire thing. The man is the leader and the shine on that is "king of the castle". Did I hit that pretty well?

That's the way the culture understands it, and it is dead wrong.

Here is what the Bible says in Ephesians 5:



Notice that the instructions to the wife are to "submit" and RESPECT (so important), and to the husband they are much longer: love her as you love YOUR OWN BODY. But wait, there's more. From 1 Peter 3, verses 1 and 2:



IOW a godly wife may win her husband to God with respectful and pure conduct. It is very important to a man that his wife is respectful, which is really the biggest part of "submission" to his leadership.

Look further into 1 Peter 3 for a man's responsibility however. The leader has the greater part of the responsibility, always. It's not like the culture sells it. It's not like if she's not "submissive", he gets to whip her up into shape, literally or figurative. Or demean her, cheat on her, etc. Read on:



That's it then. You don't honor your wife, your very prayers are hindered. That's how caught up it all is in spirituality. And note this is for the MAN, not the woman. That's how his leadership is all caught up in how he treats his wife.

So yes. Biblical churches talk about marriage. From the pulpit. All the time. Promote healthy marriage and pray over marriage and take care of unhealthy situations. Churches who stray far from the Bible probably have no idea what they're doing--I don't know. I don't stay in them long, when I find them, a long time ago when we were looking for a Biblical church.

A Christian submitted marriage is actually a wonderful thing, and you're right--my husband and I are very happy in ours, going on 24 years now. However, the culture recoils at the very thought of it. Why would I be "submitted"? Ewwwwwwwwww lol

But it works. Of course it does. The woman gets what she needs and longs for and so does the man. Of course we do. Because God made us, and He knows best. It really is that simple.

Good one Liza and may I say I am the boss in my house because my wife says so.
 
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Once again you are using scripture to bang your wrong drum.

The fact that women are not chosen to be leaders of the church is because the bible says so. Full stop.

Painful childbirth is a curse according to scripture. Full stop.

We are not in the bronze age.
. My church has female bishops . Full stop!

Mammals have large brains and childbirth is painful for all of them . I’ve got a biology degree . Talk about something you know please. Full stop!

You’re correct we’re not in the Bronze Age . So why are you trying to hold people to abusive Bronze Age misogyny and homophobia?

Common sense and scripture sometimes don’t pull together . My church has reason as one of its tenets because Biblical inerrancy is a myth
 
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You're just blessed, perhaps. For the average person, marriage can be difficult, especially with unrealistic societal or religious expectations to contend with, or economic pressures.

Our church is very accommodating of divorced people but it's relatively uncommon to have happen.
 
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. My church has female bishops . Full stop!

Mammals have large brains and childbirth is painful for all of them . I’ve got a biology degree . Talk about something you know please. Full stop!

You’re correct we’re not in the Bronze Age . So why are you trying to hold people to abusive Bronze Age misogyny and homophobia?

Common sense and scripture sometimes don’t pull together . My church has reason as one of its tenets because Biblical inerrancy is a myth

Because your church has female bishops, the scripture is wrong? I know a church that promotes polygamy so is that scriptural? I know a church where a lot of the priest's sexual abuse boys. Is that scriptural? I know a lot of churches where the pastor has the parking lot nearest the door. Is that scriptural?

I have not talked about mammals at any time so I do not know what you are on about. What I have said is that THE BIBLE (which you seem to have such disdain for) has said that childbirth is a curse.

I don't hold people to anything. I only state what the scripture says which you seem to have a problem with.

And in the Bronze Age, there was no such thing as homosexuality.

And you have got evidence (not opinion) that biblical inerrancy is a myth bearing in mind there are plenty of verses which confirm that it is not.
 
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"Episaw, post: 72931973, member: 272336"Because your church has female bishops, the scripture is wrong?
YES.

I know a church that promotes polygamy so is that scriptural?

ITS ABUSIVE TO WOMEN AND POLYGAMY WAS ACCEPTABLE IN THE BRONZE AGE

I know a church where a lot of the priest's sexual abuse boys. Is that scriptural?

ITS ABUSE

I know a lot of churches where the pastor has the parking lot nearest the door. Is that scriptural?

WHO CARES?

I have not talked about mammals at any time so I do not know what you are on about. What I have said is that THE BIBLE (which you seem to have such disdain for) has said that childbirth is a curse.

HUMANS ARE MAMMALS. MOST PEOPLE LEARN THAT IN GRADE SCHOOL. GIVING BIRTH IS PAINFUL FOR ALL MAMMALS .

I don't hold people to anything. I only state what the scripture says which you seem to have a problem with.

YES, IVE GOT A PROBLEM WITH UNNECESSARY AND ABUSIVE PRACTICES . YOU WOULD PROBABLY CONDONE SLAVERY BECAUSE ITS CONDONED BY THE BIBLE. I WOULDNT!

And in the Bronze Age, there was no such thing as homosexuality.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
YOU'RE KIDDING! RIGHT?


And you have got evidence (not opinion) that biblical inerrancy is a myth bearing in mind there are plenty of verses which confirm that it is not.

THE HISTORICAL FACTS SURROUNDING THE BIBLE SAYS THAT BOOKS AND SECTIONS ARE ADDED, ARE MISSING, AND ARE EDITED. THAT DOESNT SOUND INERRANT TO ME
 
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"Episaw, post: 72931973, member: 272336"Because your church has female bishops, the scripture is wrong?
YES.

I know a church that promotes polygamy so is that scriptural?

ITS ABUSIVE TO WOMEN AND POLYGAMY WAS ACCEPTABLE IN THE BRONZE AGE

I know a church where a lot of the priest's sexual abuse boys. Is that scriptural?

ITS ABUSE

I know a lot of churches where the pastor has the parking lot nearest the door. Is that scriptural?

WHO CARES?

I have not talked about mammals at any time so I do not know what you are on about. What I have said is that THE BIBLE (which you seem to have such disdain for) has said that childbirth is a curse.

HUMANS ARE MAMMALS. MOST PEOPLE LEARN THAT IN GRADE SCHOOL. GIVING BIRTH IS PAINFUL FOR ALL MAMMALS .

I don't hold people to anything. I only state what the scripture says which you seem to have a problem with.

YES, IVE GOT A PROBLEM WITH UNNECESSARY AND ABUSIVE PRACTICES . YOU WOULD PROBABLY CONDONE SLAVERY BECAUSE ITS CONDONED BY THE BIBLE. I WOULDNT!

And in the Bronze Age, there was no such thing as homosexuality.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
YOU'RE KIDDING! RIGHT?


And you have got evidence (not opinion) that biblical inerrancy is a myth bearing in mind there are plenty of verses which confirm that it is not.

THE HISTORICAL FACTS SURROUNDING THE BIBLE SAYS THAT BOOKS AND SECTIONS ARE ADDED, ARE MISSING, AND ARE EDITED. THAT DOESNT SOUND INERRANT TO ME


Thank you for confirming that you do not accept the Bible as God's word for the church. I guess that is why everything you say boils down to your opinion.

I have studied under one of the finest Greek linguists who taught at Oxford University so I will bypass your opinion and go with the expert.

Oh, by the way, I asked for evidence that the Bible is a myth. Not your opinion.
 
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Being a submitted wife does not mean you are a "dominated" wife. No Christian husband worth a hill of beans would actually seek to "dominate" his wife, but to love her. This is very clear in Scripture.

Bright moon has admitted that scripture is wrong if it disagrees with her take on things so you are banging your head against a brick wall talking to her.
 
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the fact that you are divorced does not have to do with the example you want to give to others, as long as what I preach is good, I think there are no problems

I am of the opinion that if what you preach and what you do are different you are toast. Particularly today, young people can smell hypocrisy a mile away.
 
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