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You did not offend me but in my opinion animals often get far less respect for caring and intelligence than they deserve.I'm sorry about offending you about what I said about animals.
I believe that marriage is a fluid concept and is only relevant in each case as to what marriage means to the people directly involved in each marriage.But, you do agree then that it is a belief, for you said "what another species believes about their relationship."
You did not offend me but in my opinion animals often get far less respect for caring and intelligence than they deserve.
I believe that marriage is a fluid concept and is only relevant in each case as to what marriage means to the people directly involved in each marriage.
I am atheist, my gf is atheist, marriage existed before religion and marriage exists all over the world and many of those are not very religious at all. This all adds up to farore than a mere relgious concept.exactly, marriage is a belief system shaped by our particular religion or belief system.
I would group it with religious beliefs.
I am atheist, my gf is atheist, marriage existed before religion and marriage exists all over the world and many of those are not very religious at all. This all adds up to farore than a mere relgious concept.
This is complete nonsense. Marriage existed before Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire. It exists in non-Christian cultures. It is Christians who tried to change the definition of marriage by making it a religious rite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unionsYou're setting up a straw man and tearing it down. Informed people know Christianity started 33 AD. As the Bible says, marriage has been around since the very beginning. When God created Eve, he created marriage. There was no government then, just a couple of people and God. God handed down marriage from himself to every human being, without the intermediary of government. If you attribute the story of Adam and Eve to fanciful Jewish mythology, then marriage started 1500 BC. If you can find a government intervention in marriage before 1500 BC, then you'd have a point.
You're setting up a straw man and tearing it down. Informed people know Christianity started 33 AD. As the Bible says, marriage has been around since the very beginning. When God created Eve, he created marriage. There was no government then, just a couple of people and God. God handed down marriage from himself to every human being, without the intermediary of government. If you attribute the story of Adam and Eve to fanciful Jewish mythology, then marriage started 1500 BC. If you can find a government intervention in marriage before 1500 BC, then you'd have a point.
We also have to conclude that the Jewish calander was different than the one today and age was considered different. Many consider the firts men(Adam and Eve) to have existed around 5000 BC.
Who is this "We" you allude to?
Its a figure of speech?
Gaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! Thread, derailed again.
What of the scriptural basis for adulterers being allowed continue worship in churches??? Is it too much to ask?
If one remains married to a second or subsequent spouse whislt the firt is alive one commits adultery. Surely to remain married to a second spouse and remain in fellowship with other believers is not truly repenting?
If, not, what is the biblical basis for continuing to sin willfully as opposed to the sin followed by truly repent cycle.
Seriously anyone got a scriptural angle on this one?
Just as a reminder, Jesus fulfilled the law. He didn't come to abolish it, but fulfilled it. The truth about the Jewish history,Jesus came and stated that wasn't what he intended. They also distorted the interpretation to do as they wanted. I don't remember the exact historical interpretation, but the fact is we know what is the right thing to do. Divorce is a form of violence. Towards women and children. The effect on children in divorce as Jesus stated will be about 5 generations!
No offense, but I don't think that link really help you much, considering it says :
Its a figure of speech?
Same-gender romantic love or sexual desire has been recorded since ancient times in the entirety of the continent of Asia, right from the Middle East to South Asia to East Asia. Such desire often took the form of same-sex unions, usually between men, and often included some difference in age. There is far less information available on relationships among women in ancient times.
In China, in the southern province of Fujian where female love was especially cultivated, females would bind themseleves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[1] In Japan , Shudo (衆道 shudō, the Japanese tradition of age-structured homosexuality was prevalent in samurai society from the medieval period until the end of the 19th century. Shudo, in its pedagogic, martial, and aristocratic aspects, is closely analogous to the ancient Greek tradition of pederasty (paiderastia).
The practice of same-sex love in antiquity often took the form of formal pairings of men with youths, which had many of the attributes of marriage but were limited in duration. (It is important to note, however, that marriages in Ancient Greece between men and women were also age structured, with men in their 30's commonly taking wives in their early teens.) There were also marriage between men, at least among the Romans, as this practice was outlawed in 342 AD by the Christian emperors
In spite of this, gay unions are believed to have continued in some areas until the 12th century.[2][3][4]
In Hellenic Greece, the pederastic relationships between Greek men (erastes) and youths (eromenos) who had come of age were, it has been argued, analogous to marriage in several aspects but not recognisd as marriage. The age of the youth was similar to the age at which women married (the mid-teens, though in some city states, as young as age seven), and the relationship could only be undertaken with the consent of the father. This consent, just as in the case of a daughter's marriage, was contingent on the suitor's social standing. The relationship, just like a marriage, consisted of very specific social and religious responsibilities and also had a sexual component.
Nevertheless, homosexual relationships between men of the same age were not unheard of in Ancient Greece. The most famous example is that of Achilles and Patroclus. In contrast to the Greeks, evidence for homosexual relationships between men of the same age exists for the Romans. These sources are diverse and include such things as the Roman novel Satyricon, graffiti and paintings found at Pompeii as well as inscriptions left on tombs and papyri found in Egypt.
\Nevertheless, Historian John Boswell argued that Adelphopoiesis, or brother-making, represented an early form of religious same-sex marriage in the Orthodox church, and Alan Bray saw the rite of Ordo ad fratres faciendum ("Order for the making of brothers") as serving the same purpose in the medieval Roman Catholic Church.
Same-sex marriage has been documented in many societies that were not subject to Christian influence. In North America, among the Native Americans societies, it has taken the form of Two-Spirit-type relationships, in which some male members of the tribe, from an early age, heed a calling to take on female gender with all its responsibilities. They are prized as wives by the other men in the tribe, who enter into formal marriages with these Two-Spirit men. They are also respected as being especially powerful shamans.
In Africa, among the Azande of the Congo, men would take youths for whom they had to pay a bride-price to the father. These homosexual relationships likewise were understood to be of a temporary nature. In Ancient Egypt, Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum are thought to be the first male couple in history. They shared the title of Overseer of the Manicurists in the Palace of King Niussere during the Fifth dynasty of Egyptian pharaohs, and are listed as "royal confidantes" in their joint tomb
I don't really understand what you've written here ... the logic escapes me. But I'm not talking about Hebrew mythology: I'm talking about reality. There are, and have always been, several forms of non-Christian marriage in the world. Christians do not have a monopoly on marriage. By claiming they do, they are changing the definition of marriage.You're setting up a straw man and tearing it down. Informed people know Christianity started 33 AD. As the Bible says, marriage has been around since the very beginning. When God created Eve, he created marriage. There was no government then, just a couple of people and God. God handed down marriage from himself to every human being, without the intermediary of government. If you attribute the story of Adam and Eve to fanciful Jewish mythology, then marriage started 1500 BC. If you can find a government intervention in marriage before 1500 BC, then you'd have a point.
And all of them are wrong.Many consider the first men(Adam and Eve) to have existed around 5000 BC.
Lets just toss out the bible, okay? Stick to reality.
You conveniently left out the rest of the world:
Nevertheless, Historian John Boswell argued that Adelphopoiesis, or brother-making, represented an early form of religious same-sex marriage in the Orthodox church, and Alan Bray saw the rite of Ordo ad fratres faciendum ("Order for the making of brothers") as serving the same purpose in the medieval Roman Catholic Church.
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