Divorce rates

[lawtonfogle]

**Snort** Thats funny, bra. I invite you to head down to your local Christian academy and see if you can pickup chicks. I guarantee you that, providing you dont get caught by teachers, you will have a far more bountiful harvest there than most other places.

Umm... I can point you are some places where your pretty much not even allowed to talk to women (who are supposed to be on campus at all times).

So, your not talking the extreme fundy ones, are you?

I can PROMISE you that Christian, for a LOT...A LOT...of people is a title and nothing more. The only guy I knew who needed ten fingers, ten toes...of two or three other people to count his lovers and who was the LEADER of the biggest church's youth congregation. And yeah, there are guys who like to yank the chain, maybe pump the list up a few dozen. But I do know for a FACT that at least one of his lovers was real because I walked in on him and Gary (And no Gary is not one of those names that you can use for a girl AND a guy...its...pretty much strictly a guy's name) and somehow I dont think Gary was using "oh god" in the same sense that they use it when they're in church.

I'm going to have to call TIM on this.

Never having watched Christian TV, I couldnt tell you. Not knowing anyone under the age of 50 with any shred of a life I couldnt tell you

Not nearly enough

Non-Christians know the value in a great pair of breasts and Christians dont?

 

[Bombila]

Jesus taught that sex and marriage went hand in hand. If multiple sexual partners (promiscuity) were to be considered the same as a marriage, the "rates of divorce" between Christians and non-Christians would be quite different.

What say ye?

You've been shown that that Christians are as likely to be promiscuous, as likely (or more likely, in some areas) to obtain a divorce, and probably more likely to lie about their promiscuity in order to avoid censure from their community, as non-Christians.

The non-showing of sexy ads and programs on Christian television has no apparent inhibiting effect on the Christians who watch it.

Studies (Google it yourself) show that 'purity' and abstinence teaching lead to a slight delay (one to two years) in having first intercourse, but with an accompanying rise in STDs resulting from lack of proper reproductive health education - they are less likely to use condoms and more likely to indulge in unsafe practices.

One would have to deduce that your scenario would change nothing.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

You've been shown that that Christians are as likely to be promiscuous, as likely (or more likely, in some areas) to obtain a divorce, and probably more likely to lie about their promiscuity in order to avoid censure from their community, as non-Christians.

The non-showing of sexy ads and programs on Christian television has no apparent inhibiting effect on the Christians who watch it.

Studies (Google it yourself) show that 'purity' and abstinence teaching lead to a slight delay (one to two years) in having first intercourse, but with an accompanying rise in STDs resulting from lack of proper reproductive health education - they are less likely to use condoms and more likely to indulge in unsafe practices.

One would have to deduce that your scenario would change nothing.

Your hope that Christians are as debauched as worldly people is just hope against despair. Bunk. Semantics, neologism, is the way of the world. "A slight delay" of promiscuity, means far less sex partners. And the Christian community is still far behind the non and anti-Christians in numbers of sex partners per individual. My premise, is that EVERY sex partner should be considered a marriage. That is in keeping with the way Jesus described sexual union. There is no doubt that "worldly" people live far more promiscuous lives than Christians. I realy don't want you to google porn sites, but you can bet that all of the thousands and thousands and thousands of people having sex with other thousands and thousands and thousands of other people (which total in the hundreds of millions) are far more inclined to a secular worldview (Humanism) than a Christian one. Google Europe and see!!!!

If we are to compare, let's compare.

 

[cantata]

It's times like this I'm really glad I'm not a Christian.

 

[Alexandrah]

My premise, is that EVERY sex partner should be considered a marriage

By that definition would a rapist and their victim be considered married?

 

[sidhe]

It's times like this I'm really glad I'm not a Christian.

Me as well.

I think this qualifies for the word redefinition project. If "to marry" now means "to have sex with," I must remind everyone that "marriage" means "40lbs flesh-eating rabbit."

So, let's break this down. If you have sex with someone, it means you've married them, and thus created a marriage, and need to run for your life.

See how much fun making words mean other things can be?

Humpty-Dumpty Hermeneutics: Words mean what I say they mean, no more, no less.

 

[Bombila]

Your hope that Christians are as debauched as worldly people is just hope against despair. Bunk. Semantics, neologism, is the way of the world. "A slight delay" of promiscuity, means far less sex partners. And the Christian community is still far behind the non and anti-Christians in numbers of sex partners per individual. My premise, is that EVERY sex partner should be considered a marriage. That is in keeping with the way Jesus described sexual union. There is no doubt that "worldly" people live far more promiscuous lives than Christians. I realy don't want you to google porn sites, but you can bet that all of the thousands and thousands and thousands of people having sex with other thousands and thousands and thousands of other people (which total in the hundreds of millions) are far more inclined to a secular worldview (Humanism) than a Christian one. Google Europe and see!!!!

If we are to compare, let's compare.

I don't, as you say, "hope that Christians are as debauched as worldly people". I don't care one way or the other. I just am aware that by all factual (as opposed to wishful) accounts that there is little or no difference.

Prove it. All you've done so far is make unsupported claims that you would like to be true. I think you might find that if religion is a factor at all, Islam is the faith that is most successful at reducing promiscuity and divorce - by the draconian method of oppressing women in most states where it is the majority belief.

How would looking for porn sites tell me how many people, Christian or not, are using them?

Look, you are probably basing your ideas on yourself and your immediate community, a small sample. I can do the same - I've been married for seventeen years and none of my friends, most of whom have been married to their first partner as long or longer, are running around being promiscuous. None of us are Christians. Do I take from that how much more virtuous non-Christians are? Of course not, I examine my demographic and find that we are rural, mostly by choice, and like a quiet, settled life, therefore unlikely to be running after relationships that would mess up our comfortable lives.

Do your own Googling, if you want to show us something - that's the way debate goes.

 

[lawtonfogle]

It's times like this I'm really glad I'm not a Christian.

There are times that I am glad I have that little whateveryoucallit right under my name.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Me as well.

I think this qualifies for the word redefinition project. If "to marry" now means "to have sex with," I must remind everyone that "marriage" means "40lbs flesh-eating rabbit."

So, let's break this down. If you have sex with someone, it means you've married them, and thus created a marriage, and need to run for your life.

See how much fun making words mean other things can be?

Humpty-Dumpty Hermeneutics: Words mean what I say they mean, no more, no less.

Actually, it goes more along the lines is that sex is the marriage ceremony before God... yes, I know that sounds weird. But this 'type' of 'marriage' is somewhat different than what happens at ones wedding ceremony.

But this is also dangerous thought pattern to teach as church, as it pretty much means that pre-marital sex isn't bad and that as long as you have sex with your first partner, regardless of marital status, your having sex with your spouse and thus it isn't a sin.

Makes for real fun to bring this up during a Sunday School lesson on purity. *remembers incident where I almost got thrown out of church *

 

[lawtonfogle]

I don't, as you say, "hope that Christians are as debauched as worldly people". I don't care one way or the other. I just am aware that by all factual (as opposed to wishful) accounts that there is little or no difference.

Prove it. All you've done so far is make unsupported claims that you would like to be true. I think you might find that if religion is a factor at all, Islam is the faith that is most successful at reducing promiscuity and divorce - by the draconian method of oppressing women in most states where it is the majority belief.

How would looking for porn sites tell me how many people, Christian or not, are using them?

Look, you are probably basing your ideas on yourself and your immediate community, a small sample. I can do the same - I've been married for seventeen years and none of my friends, most of whom have been married to their first partner as long or longer, are running around being promiscuous. None of us are Christians. Do I take from that how much more virtuous non-Christians are? Of course not, I examine my demographic and find that we are rural, mostly by choice, and like a quiet, settled life, therefore unlikely to be running after relationships that would mess up our comfortable lives.

Do your own Googling, if you want to show us something - that's the way debate goes.

I think he was more along the lines of "how many porn stars are Christian?" to prove his point... not that that really helps.

 

[Bombila]

I think he was more along the lines of "how many porn stars are Christian?" to prove his point... not that that really helps.

If that was his point, it is an astoundingly dull one. Porn stars don't often, I imagine, advertise their religious affiliations, and it is certainly possible to at least profess to be Christian while being a professional sex industry worker.

I lurk now and then at any number of exclusively Christian message boards, and every one of them has had threads and even whole forums dedicated to Christians who are trying to 'overcome' their use of pornography. Their trying to change their ways is irrelevant: these threads are direct evidence that a lot of devout Christians use pornography regularly.

 

[lawtonfogle]

If that was his point, it is an astoundingly dull one. Porn stars don't often, I imagine, advertise their religious affiliations, and it is certainly possible to at least profess to be Christian while being a professional sex industry worker.

I lurk now and then at any number of exclusively Christian message boards, and every one of them has had threads and even whole forums dedicated to Christians who are trying to 'overcome' their use of pornography. Their trying to change their ways is irrelevant: these threads are direct evidence that a lot of devout Christians use pornography regularly.

I find it a lot harder to imagine a church going Christian to feature in their own porn than to view someone else's... self.stop(self.Imagination);.

Props to any who understood that last part...

What are props anyways?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

It's times like this I'm really glad I'm not a Christian.

Finally, something I can agree with you about.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

By that definition would a rapist and their victim be considered married?

Isn't that an Old Testament position? It's horrible to say the least, but there is basis for this position. Leaving in all of the offensive things in the Bible is a place to see that man wasn't at the helm of its origin.

It proves my point on how serious sexuality is to the Biblical writers from beginning to end. Sex makes a union every single time. Now do the math.

 

[cantata]

Finally, something I can agree with you about.

You don't care about my salvation?

 

[WatersMoon110]

You don't care about my salvation?

Weren't you aware that Christianity was supposed to be an exclusive club? *rolls eyes*

Caring about the salvation of others takes effort; effort that could be put to use yelling about how homosexuals are sinners, and how Christians are being discriminated against.

Unless, of course, you happen to be converted by someone yelling. Then your salvation might matter. *wink*

 

[JadeTigress]

If that was his point, it is an astoundingly dull one. Porn stars don't often, I imagine, advertise their religious affiliations, and it is certainly possible to at least profess to be Christian while being a professional sex industry worker.

If I remember correctly, the lovely Bettie Page was a devout Christian.

 

[Trevorocity]

I have lived as a non-Christian and I have lived as a Church going Christian. Non and anti-Christians are far, far, far, more promiscuous (and think nothing of it as being "wrong" or a "sin") in far larger numbers than the population of any size Gospel preaching "Church."

How many sexual themed commercials run on Christian TV????????

And how many on "secular" TV?

It's time to smell the coffee.

mmm coffee...mmmm beer.