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Divine Revelations or Delusions?

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Has anyone come across this web site before: http://www.divinerevelations.info/

It has lots of dramatic stuff on the site, including some pretty scary alleged testimony, but I'm wondering how much of it is real. I'd be interested to hear what other think.
 
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It's impossible to tell who is truthful and who is not. So it's all non-information to me; as equally useful or belief-worthy as a blank page. That's the thing with these type of things, they seem specific to the person, and no one else.
 
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Clearly Christ revealed is not enough for some people; they need "divine revelations," trips to hell and back, and conversations with demons and angels. The Colossians dealt with the same heresy.

In other words, I wouldn't worry about.
 
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Have you ever noticed that people's "revelations" often fit what they already believe, at least in certain ways?

I read a couple out of mild curiosity. Some I recognize as book titles that I have read and movies I have seen over the years.

There may be things in them that happen to be true. One I read just now had some truths in it - we must actually FOLLOW Christ, not just confess Him. But we all pretty much agree on that, I would think. But it also depicted a Christ who seemed rather unmoved by the suffering of those in hell -- which I really have to question why they are in "eternal hell" right now, since the final judgement has not happened. Are we to imagine that God places them in hell for many years, centuries, however long, only to bring them out, carry out the final judgement, then send them right back? Theoretically possible, but rather odd. But the part that really gets me? Demons gleefully enjoying themselves torturing disobedient Christians. When did hell become a satanic amusement park for demons? Don't the people who received these revelations wonder whether God didn't want to punish the demons at least as much as He wanted to punish the Christians they caused to stumble? Does that strike anyone besides me as really odd?

I think Dante has had quite an influence on some people's theology.
 
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Has anyone come across this web site before: DivineRevelations

It has lots of dramatic stuff on the site, including some pretty scary alleged testimony, but I'm wondering how much of it is real. I'd be interested to hear what other think.


This is the first time that I visited that site but.....

I have read this book and I loved it....

Heaven is for REAL
"by Todd Burpo
A young boy emerges from a life-saving surgery with remarkable stories of his visit to Heaven."

....

I also read The Vision by the following author several times... it is
exceptionally well done..... I believe he had a genuine visionary dream of heaven
back in 1995.


The Final Quest
"This amazing revelation comes from a vision given to the author Rick Joyner. All Christians should read this. So many lessons, pitfalls & mistakes are shown by this revelations that even the most mature Christians can greatly learn from it. This testimony available on a different website."

Here is one of the discussions that I began with
a quotation from him:

Did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stand to his feet in 1995?

Poll: Did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stand to his feet in 1995?


Perhaps this should be in the Controversial Doctrine forum.....

but then again I am wondering if this might fit in nicely here.....

This does make sense to me that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus would
indeed stand to H-s feet at that time.........


The Hordes of Hell are Marching

Pastor Rick Joyner:
The idea that the hordes of hell were released in 1995..... would sure explain a lot of what has been happening?!
 
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I'm pretty sure that every generation since Jesus has thought the hounds of hell were released among them.
 
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One of the phenomena's I have been studding for several years now is near death experiences, better known as NDE. One must be very careful and read between the lines, but there are also some amazing insights that are pretty hard to dispute, mainly because of the consistency of them. Many stray way off orthodox thinking, and beliefs but also seem to hold some valuable truths.

I have always felt that we Christians are missing a lot of truths, but we also must be very careful to depend on the Holy Spirit to guide us. As with any subjective material there are many arguments on both sides and I think one should be very careful venturing off into unorthodox thinking.

I have often wondered what scrolls the Vatican has tucked away that many of us would love to study. The Nag Hammabi scrolls did shed some light on what they may or may not have hidden away.
 
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I wonder though, why would the Vatican need to hide anything Way in the first place? Should information about the Catholic faith not be withheld from the faithful? Does anyone else find that odd?
 
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I wonder though, why would the Vatican need to hide anything Way in the first place? Should information about the Catholic faith not be withheld from the faithful? Does anyone else find that odd?

If you were to study the Nag Hammabi scrolls you could quickly see comments that would not fit into Catholic theology. One must remember that our bible came from the Catholic church, and they gave us what they wanted us to have. Also remember it took them twelve hundred years to decide what should and shouldn't be in the bible.
 
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That's kind of my point—why not release them and just say they weren't meant to be part of Catholic theology and were considered before ultimately deeming them not valid? Saying otherwise is borderline intellectual dishonesty since they're not giving full disclosure on theological history. Are they afraid that if word of that gets widely known there will be many who walk away from the faith? It's better for them to fully disclose the things and take than risk than to pretend it isn't there, then have people find out about it, and thus risk more people from falling away due to the Church keeping secrets.
 
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In the internet age, I really don't think that Vatican still has anything much hidden away.

As far as NDE, by definition, people are still alive when they have these experiences. I really think that after we die, it is very different.

As far as Nag Hammadi, and other revelations: I think God is way bigger than we are; we just limit Him to what we can understand and communicate. As we get better at understanding and communicating (hopefully by having followed Jesus longer) God seems to get bigger to us as well.

And it's 300 years the Catholic church took to decide what is in the Bible. Council of Nicea, ca. 365, fixed the canon.
 
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No, people are not still alive, when you have a flat line EEG (no brain activity) the person is clinically dead. Reality is when the neo cortex is inactive nobody is home.

Here again, the Catholics didn't ratify the NT until the beginning of the reformation. 1516 if I remember correctly. Only thing that was decided at the Niece was the trinity issue. Remember the Armenians didn't want to accept any of Paul's letters. They had 300 documents to consider for the New Testament, look what we ended up with, where are the other where are they now?

The Gnostics were murdered by orders of the Catholic church, of course they used the Nights of Templar to do their dirty work, until the queen of France had them wiped out. Of course the Catholics fabricated some horrendous lies about the Gnostics. Some of the Gnostics beliefs were a bit screwy, but not heretical.

The first counsel had 1800 priests arguing over what should and shouldn't be in the NT, can you imagine what a mess that was.
 
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That is a very good point, and question. I can't imagine that the early church destroyed all those scrolls, however we have no way of knowing. No one really understood the Gnostic thinking until the Nag Hammabi scrolls were found and translated. It is a shame that they were damaged and are fragmented, but they are very interesting reading. Another scroll is the testimony of Judas, that is an eye opener if there is any validity to it.

God has talked to his people throughout the ages, do you think he has stopped, just maybe He is attempting to open our eyes and see some things we have been missing. These scrolls give more insight into who Christ is, and in no way leads us away from him.
 
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Medical definitions get extended every few years. For many centuries, coffins being opened for reburial found dead people had come to life and tried to claw their way out. I do not accept the medical definition of death for this reason.

I said "fixed", not "ratified". You are correct, Trent ratified the canon in response to Luther, etc. But Jerome's ideas were what established it. But you are right, arguments are still going on now. I watch a few of them on Facebook. Here's the whole history: Canon of the Holy Scriptures | Catholic Answers


I agree about the Gnostics.
 
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Clearly Christ revealed is not enough for some people; they need "divine revelations," trips to hell and back, and conversations with demons and angels. The Colossians dealt with the same heresy.

In other words, I wouldn't worry about.

So you don't believe any heaven and hell visions?
 
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