Divination?

[.Sabre.]

I don't do divination.


I'm convinced that 2012 is not going to be the end of the world. I am convinced, though, that something will happen soon.

We were all supposed to die on that Friday in 2000, remember? and here we all are, not dead!

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't do divination.


I'm convinced that 2012 is not going to be the end of the world. I am convinced, though, that something will happen soon.

We were all supposed to die on that Friday in 2000, remember? and here we all are, not dead!

I'm confused..who mentioned 2012 or the end of the world or anything of the sort? What does that have to do with divination?

 

[Vene]

We were all supposed to die on that Friday in 2000, remember? and here we all are, not dead!

That we know of, maybe we all were sucked into another plane of existence where only the dead go and when we 'die' we are actual born in the real world. Hopefully one that makes sense.
Or maybe I'm just full of it. I'd go with that one personally.

 

[.Sabre.]

I'm confused..who mentioned 2012 or the end of the world or anything of the sort? What does that have to do with divination?

BeanieBoy and StarCannon.......

I'm more convinced that in 2012 there will be a massive oversupply of orange things.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

BeanieBoy and StarCannon.......

I'm more convinced that in 2012 there will be a massive oversupply of orange things.

Okay, I missed that part. Lol, thanks for the clarification.

I just think there will be a huge awakening of sorts, and then they cycle will repeat itself. Time is circular, not linear, IMO. But thats just me, lol.

 

[StarCannon]

Well, I kinda had the idea that the future depends a lot on people, and maybe math can help determine what courses of actions are being taken and the outcomes of those reactions. It's weird and has a lot to do with numerology.

 

[Verv]

If God honestly wanted me to know the future He would tell it to me; I would have to go through no abnormal means. I imagine that during a prayer He would come to me.

I also think that direct communication of what the future is would happen extremely rarely and perhaps only to people who are in very dramatic positions.

 

[flicka]

Most people can practice "divination" by just paying attention to details. I don't believe in any other-worldly type of knowledge however.

 

[icedtea]

I used to be an astrologer, and practiced divination, but it was never accurate.
And yet I still believed in it.
At times, God gives me a word of knowledge and thats always accurate.

 

[gwenmead]

If there were a "sort of" or "other" option to the poll, I would've chosen that.

I'm not impressed by divination tools. I don't buy for a minute that they predict the future, and I don't think they operate on any supernatural level. Oddly enough, though, I will give tarot readings, and have been told that I give some of the best tarot readings people have ever had. I suspect that it's because I firmly believe that divination tools are mirrors: you're going to see in them what you want to see, or what you were already thinking of, perhaps on an unconscious level.

When I give a reading, I can only tell the sitter what the cards mean, and they're going to decide for themselves what to apply those meanings to in their lives - and I tell them this right up front. Symbols might give them something to think about, but whatever they take from a reading and where they take it is going to be their own choice - in other words, they determine their future, not the cards.

Same thing with dream interpretations: the key element is the dreamer, not the dream. If someone dreams about a tutu-wearing hippo floating in a sea of raspberry jam, what do they think it means?

 

[StarCannon]

That's a good way of going about it, gwenmead

 

[KalithAlur]

one theory of divination consists of external conscious entities with a wider spectrum of causality available to them communicating predictions to the diviner.

If you study prophecy extensively enuf, you'll run up against at least a few prophets who seem to be almost always accurate, and when they're not accurate, what actually happens seems to directly and oddly elude to what does happen... for instance, a bridge collapsing in New York is predicted on a certain day, and on that day in Virginia a bridge collapses instead.

one wonders if some of these "spiritual beings" might not have humanity's best interests in mind.

i think that truly understanding causality and being able to identify a wide enuf spectrum of relevant causal elements equates to predictions of the future. Causality implies some kind of a sequence. A cause-caused sequence.

I think of time as a many-faceted affair that is neither linear nor circular, but in some way moves forward, moving in different places at different speeds because of differences in the rate of event-sequence. I don't think it is possible to go backwards in time but if it is, sequence of events is still not evaded completely because the object moving backward in time still exists in a kind of forward-moving sequence, just the sequence relative to other objects seems to be going in reverse. If you wrap your mind around that notion, ....

think of a ball hitting the ground. Did pure chaos create the ball? Fine, it was caused by Eris (which I consider to be a sort of consciousness-expanding joke, not a literally occurring phenomenon)! It happened in sequence and sprang from something even then!

If you do not find some way to escape causality, the future is predetermined... things are happening because things preceeding them caused them to happen, just like reading this might cause some people to think, "I'm going to escape causality by doing something random." Although it is true that the mere act of predicting the future, if the prediction does not factor in its own butterfly effect, is likely to "change" (but really the prediction existed within the stream of causality all along) what happens.

 

[StarCannon]

Interesting. I have a mental picture of time being like a river, with eddies and currents and meandering curves.

 

[KalithAlur]

There is also the notion of "nonlocal awareness"

Quantum Physics has confirmed in the laboratory setting that any two particles once in contact continue to influence each other, however far they are separated. My first take on this was, (of course... the initial influence of the past permanently influences the future). This is not what the Quantum Physicists are actually talking about.

To illustrate: Two particles are separated by the scientists by some vast distance, and observed apart. One of the particles is "prodded" into moving in a particular direction, and the other particle moves in the same direction without being prodded! The scientists determine that it is unlikely the two particles are sending signals to each other because such would have to happen at faster than light speed.

What this suggests to my mind is there exists some unobservable connection between the two particles than cannot be severed. Like when you pull a blanket in one direction, however far separate the other end of the blanket is from you, it will move in the same direction simultaneously. But some scientists are so baffled by these experiments that they promote a theoretical "observer-created" universe wherein I literally cease existing in the universe where nobody believes in me.

And what does all this have to do with divination, you ask? Why, if the brain has a method of processing this connectivity, it can receive signals from nonlocal particles as they move in a sequence, and make accurate predictions of the future based on these signals!

I would like to offer one last insight into this phenomenon of "Divination", an essay I wrote as a practical method for literally traveling thru time (which i proved probably isn't even possible in my previous post) :

http://kalithalur.fortunecity.com/timetravel.html

 

[StarCannon]

I've heard of that