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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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In theory, yes. In practice, no. There is no such thing as total equality. There will always be groups of people whom others have a higher regard for. There will always be the rich and the poor. There will always be personal prejudices. Want to know what a society looks like that tries to completely level the playing field for everyone? Take a look at any Communistic nation in history and tell me how much success they had as the result of it.
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just what it means in the "Celebrate Diversity" poster at the office, the one with 8 faces of people. Nothing else on it. Just the two words and the eight faces. I want to know if diversity is always a good thing if I am being encouraged to celebrate it.
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HumanisticJones
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Genetic diversity is a wonderful thing as it reduces the chances of negative mutations expressing themselves and results in a population less able to be destroyed by disease.
Oh you mean social diversity? No, I don't think that celebrating all the things that make us different is good for anyone. All it does is subconsiously remind people that "you aren't the same!" We shouldn't celebrate diversity, we should celebrate all those things that make us the same. Just one humanist and his wish that all people would drop their secondary attributes and realize that we're all humans.
Oh you mean social diversity? No, I don't think that celebrating all the things that make us different is good for anyone. All it does is subconsiously remind people that "you aren't the same!" We shouldn't celebrate diversity, we should celebrate all those things that make us the same. Just one humanist and his wish that all people would drop their secondary attributes and realize that we're all humans.
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As a christian: Yes (unless you thought God is only taking people that are like....God?)
As a social humanitarian: Yes
If you are interested in human beings and society, then diversity is a good thing; understanding the different ways people can arrive to certain values is a good thing; appreciating the differences people have and can share is a good thing.
Why? Because it reminds us that we are not the end all and be all of life or even ourselves. Yes, diversity is challenging becuase it is always about learning something new, and new and change can be scary. But I really cannot believe that anyone who has had a friend of another culture, or creed, or ability, and has come to understand their motivation, desires, dreams, limitiation and not come to value that understanding.
As a person in a wheelchair, hearing a bunch of people going "diversity bad! We shouldn't care about others needs!" isn't exactly the most reassuring comment (particularly when it was a guy in a wheelchair who was supreme commander in the US in WWII): Survival of the fittest or Social darwinism or the idea that helping people to have equal access to services or the "pursuit of happiness" is communism sounds more about protecting the self than about caring about people.
To stand against celebrating and learning about diversity is to applaud your own ignorance.
As a social humanitarian: Yes
If you are interested in human beings and society, then diversity is a good thing; understanding the different ways people can arrive to certain values is a good thing; appreciating the differences people have and can share is a good thing.
Why? Because it reminds us that we are not the end all and be all of life or even ourselves. Yes, diversity is challenging becuase it is always about learning something new, and new and change can be scary. But I really cannot believe that anyone who has had a friend of another culture, or creed, or ability, and has come to understand their motivation, desires, dreams, limitiation and not come to value that understanding.
As a person in a wheelchair, hearing a bunch of people going "diversity bad! We shouldn't care about others needs!" isn't exactly the most reassuring comment (particularly when it was a guy in a wheelchair who was supreme commander in the US in WWII): Survival of the fittest or Social darwinism or the idea that helping people to have equal access to services or the "pursuit of happiness" is communism sounds more about protecting the self than about caring about people.
To stand against celebrating and learning about diversity is to applaud your own ignorance.
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gengwall
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I don't even think "learning" about others is the key. I just think society benefits by having them be a part of it. I find little value in learning about culture x but I find great value in having people from culture x be a part of my society because of the perspectives, experiences, and good food they bring with them.
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Not everybody's the same. All should be treated with dignity and worth regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation, political affiliation, handicap or disability status, religion, etc.
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Robbie_James_Francis
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Interesting question.
I suppose you could broaden the general use of 'diversity' to include diversity in opinion about, for example, whether or not cold-blooded murder of innocent people is moral or not. That, obviously, is not a good thing...we should be, and I hope are, in agreement on that.
But if we're talking about cultural diversity then, personally, I think it is good, though it can have negative aspects, like causing problems in communication and unity. At the same time, it makes life much more interesting, gives a sense of identity and provides a framework in which our specific needs can be met.
However, our cultures and paradigms are so fundamentally diverse that even if I thought the bad outweighed the good (and I definitely don't!), I wouldn't see much point in condemning diversity. Diversity just is, and there's nothing we can do to change that. Any attempts to obliterate it would be--and have been--horrific anyway. Attempts to work through differences, it seems to me, must recognise and celebrate diversity if they are going to work.
I suppose you could broaden the general use of 'diversity' to include diversity in opinion about, for example, whether or not cold-blooded murder of innocent people is moral or not. That, obviously, is not a good thing...we should be, and I hope are, in agreement on that.
But if we're talking about cultural diversity then, personally, I think it is good, though it can have negative aspects, like causing problems in communication and unity. At the same time, it makes life much more interesting, gives a sense of identity and provides a framework in which our specific needs can be met.
However, our cultures and paradigms are so fundamentally diverse that even if I thought the bad outweighed the good (and I definitely don't!), I wouldn't see much point in condemning diversity. Diversity just is, and there's nothing we can do to change that. Any attempts to obliterate it would be--and have been--horrific anyway. Attempts to work through differences, it seems to me, must recognise and celebrate diversity if they are going to work.
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I tend to shy away from saying "always" about anything. But in general, I believe that diversity is a very good thing. Having differing viewpoints can make us think in new ways, which can lead to more creative and successful problem solving. I used to work in software engineering, and everytime we got someone new into the group, they brought new ideas. Sometimes they were from a different work culture, sometimes from a different life culture. The variety of experiences were very helpful for the engineering group as a whole, and for the growth of the individuals in building tolerance for differences. It seems to me that when a society withdraws into itself, and doesn't allow opposing viewpoints, that it becomes less tolerant of others, and more rigid in their beliefs.
This is actually part of why I love this board! Where else can we see such a variety of religious, spiritual, and philosophical diversity?
This is actually part of why I love this board! Where else can we see such a variety of religious, spiritual, and philosophical diversity?
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I feel this is just another semanitics trap.
Do you celebrate diversity in culture? So you celebrate canibalism?
I live in Toronto. It is filled with many different cultures, very diverse dress (because the people are from all over the world), diverse food, diverse customs and celebrations.
Rather than what happened years ago, where people hated the Jews, or the Irish, people actually enjoy the differences of culture.
What a concept.
Do you celebrate diversity in culture? So you celebrate canibalism?
I live in Toronto. It is filled with many different cultures, very diverse dress (because the people are from all over the world), diverse food, diverse customs and celebrations.
Rather than what happened years ago, where people hated the Jews, or the Irish, people actually enjoy the differences of culture.
What a concept.
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Er. I hope you're joking about that "little" leap of illogic?
Have you seen his other threads?
If you don't tolerate intolerance, isn't that intolerance itself?
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kopilo
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Diversity it awesome when people can see past their differences. However when people can't see past their difference and use them as justification to mame, kill or in some other way inflict pain on others. It becomes but a scapegoat.
This is as true as in Australia as in America or any other country.
This is as true as in Australia as in America or any other country.
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