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I am going to share this with you. I did not want to because the judgment of other Christians can be very harsh, well actually the judgment of the Bible is harsh. But I am sharing with you, even though I will be told something that I don't want to hear.

The Bible tells us that if you do not forgive other people, you will not be forgiven. My mom was a believer in Jesus Christ. She really wanted to please Him. But my twin brother had hurt her. Before she died admitted that she was unable to forgive him for hurting her. All my life she taught me the Bible. She had an amazing testimony of how she became a Christian. But she died with some hurt and anger. Now, I am so scared that she will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave the testimony of the unmerciful master. She admitted that she was being a hypocrite. She couldn't understand why she wanted some of her kids to forgive her, but she can't forgive one of her other kids. She did not hide her sin. She died with unresolved issues with my twin brother. I am scared that this has sent her to hell. She had so much love growing up. But she was far from perfect. She was so hurt by my brother, and she couldn't let it go.

I know that praying for God to have mercy on her soul is worthless. But I can't help it. She considered herself as a child of God. But she failed in some areas. You read the Bible, and anyone can still fail as a believer.

According to John Piper, if you don't forgive you are in danger of hell. I am so scared for my mom.

Edit: I don't think people can answer this question. I have decided that I can't change anybody's destiny. I myself don't believe that I am saved so I shouldn't worry about my mom. But hopefully God had mercy on my mom.
 
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In one of your earlier posts, you said that you weren't sure that you were Born-Again.
Have you settled that matter?
(It is important to this OP.)

That is a fair question.

I will admit, I don't think I am born again because I don't trust God. I believe everything written in scripture. And I have asked God's forgiveness for my sins. But I keep going back to my sin.

Another thing that I will admit is that my view of God is a very harsh judge. When I read the Bible, I see nothing but harsh judgment. How can anyone be saved? You can fail even as a Christian. I have all these questions, like what if you surrender your life to Jesus, but you had a sinful thought, and you died before repenting? What if you ended up with a broken relationship and you were feeling bitter towards that person and you died before repenting and forgiving that person? You read the Bible and you can fail, even as a believer. So, I don't know if it is possible for me to be saved.

But I am worried about my mom. Did she go to hell or heaven? I am scared because she has to face God, a very harsh judge. But a perfect one. But perfection can still condemn people.
 
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Jesus said in John 3:3,
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot [even] see the kingdom of God.

That means until you are Born Again, you cannot see "the Kingdom of God" nor your mom's situation from God's perspective.
Also, any answer to the OP will fall on deaf ears.

If you really want answers to this dilemma, you need to surrender to Jesus first.
 
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Jesus said in John 3:3,
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot [even] see the kingdom of God.

That means until you are Born Again, you cannot see "the Kingdom of God" nor your mom's situation from God's perspective.
Also, any answer to the OP will fall on deaf ears.

If you really want answers to this dilemma, you need to surrender to Jesus first.

Thank you for answering.
 
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I am going to share this with you. I did not want to because the judgment of other Christians can be very harsh, well actually the judgment of the Bible is harsh. But I am sharing with you, even though I will be told something that I don't want to hear.

The Bible tells us that if you do not forgive other people, you will not be forgiven. My mom was a believer in Jesus Christ. She really wanted to please Him. But my twin brother had hurt her. Before she died admitted that she was unable to forgive him for hurting her. All my life she taught me the Bible. She had an amazing testimony of how she became a Christian. But she died with some hurt and anger. Now, I am so scared that she will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave the testimony of the unmerciful master. She admitted that she was being a hypocrite. She couldn't understand why she wanted some of her kids to forgive her, but she can't forgive one of her other kids. She did not hide her sin. She died with unresolved issues with my twin brother. I am scared that this has sent her to hell. She had so much love growing up. But she was far from perfect. She was so hurt by my brother, and she couldn't let it go.

I know that praying for God to have mercy on her soul is worthless. But I can't help it. She considered herself as a child of God. But she failed in some areas. You read the Bible, and anyone can still fail as a believer.

According to John Piper, if you don't forgive you are in danger of hell. I am so scared for my mom.
I'm sorry to hear about this.

I have lost family members myself, whose walks with Christ were questionable at best, though none as close as you were to your mother. Maybe they had epiphanies in time for mercy, maybe they did not. Jesus did die on the cross for them, your mom, and countless others, none of whom were worthy, including myself. I believe that Jesus has a motive to get something out of that, to rescue more souls rather than less, in accordance with the Father's plan. Because Hell is permanent, nothing I do, say, or pray will help anyone there. And so, at the end of my life, I will either see these relatives of mine in Heaven again, or I will not. Whatever their fate is, it's done and I cannot change it. Maybe there will be good news at the end for them. We'll have to see.
 
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I am going to share this with you. I did not want to because the judgment of other Christians can be very harsh, well actually the judgment of the Bible is harsh. But I am sharing with you, even though I will be told something that I don't want to hear.

The Bible tells us that if you do not forgive other people, you will not be forgiven. My mom was a believer in Jesus Christ. She really wanted to please Him. But my twin brother had hurt her. Before she died admitted that she was unable to forgive him for hurting her. All my life she taught me the Bible. She had an amazing testimony of how she became a Christian. But she died with some hurt and anger. Now, I am so scared that she will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave the testimony of the unmerciful master. She admitted that she was being a hypocrite. She couldn't understand why she wanted some of her kids to forgive her, but she can't forgive one of her other kids. She did not hide her sin. She died with unresolved issues with my twin brother. I am scared that this has sent her to hell. She had so much love growing up. But she was far from perfect. She was so hurt by my brother, and she couldn't let it go.

I know that praying for God to have mercy on her soul is worthless. But I can't help it. She considered herself as a child of God. But she failed in some areas. You read the Bible, and anyone can still fail as a believer.

According to John Piper, if you don't forgive you are in danger of hell. I am so scared for my mom.

Edit: I don't think people can answer this question. I have decided that I can't change anybody's destiny. I myself don't believe that I am saved so I shouldn't worry about my mom. But hopefully God had mercy on my mom.
Jesus understand and knows everything, we are human we have flaws, Jesus paid for all our sins, nothing that she could have ever done is beyond the ability of Jesus to cure, He died for every sin that every believer committed. Your mom accepted Jesus, her sins are paid in full. She is with Jesus now, trust in Him.
 
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I am going to share this with you. I did not want to because the judgment of other Christians can be very harsh, well actually the judgment of the Bible is harsh. But I am sharing with you, even though I will be told something that I don't want to hear.

Even if the judgement of other Christians is harsh, it would be against your mother, not you. That being said, I do not think that most would be harsh against your mother either. She had a struggle, she admitted it, Christ saves those who admit their sin and exert faith in him. Perhaps if she had longer to work on her lack of forgiveness she would have come around and felt Christ's forgiveness, but we only have a short amount of time. God knows this and can certainly take it into account.
 
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According to John Piper, if you don't forgive you are in danger of hell. I am so scared for my mom.
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That is unbiblical rubbish.

How does God/Jesus forgive?
Only when we repent.
We are to imitate Jesus, so we Must forgive, if an offender says sorry to us.
 
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We are to imitate Jesus, so we Must forgive, if an offender says sorry to us.

I would argue that the mandate is to forgive even if the offender doesn't apologize, for instance if they have predeceased us.

It is also tricky when one wants to forgive, but the hurt and anger continue, as with the OP's mother. This leads us into the difficult and ongoing nature of forgiveness. It is important to know that forgiveness does not mean that everything is ok. I suspect that was what confounded Introverted's mother.
 
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I would argue that the mandate is to forgive even if the offender doesn't apologize, for instance if they have predeceased us.

Like Jesus being crucified, he did not forgive, but handed them over to God for him to deal with.

We do the sam. If theyhave died, then for Godto deal with our hurt etc.

The real difficulty is that having handled the situation over to God, we have to pray for their good.
 
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We have a problem when we refuse to forgive others but think we can go to God expecting Him to forgive us. God sees our unforgiving attitude and will not offer His forgiveness while we are being hypocritical.

God detests hypocrisy. He looks on the heart and shines in His light to expose our double standards. When He challenges us we know we have to choose, though we may be slow to submit to His will.

The flesh clashes with the Spirit and the Spirit with the flesh so we do not do what we wish to do (see Galatians 5). But that struggling doesn't mean we are lost. Sometimes our flesh, our old nature, puts up quite a struggle. We do not always do whatever good things we know we should.

But, in my thinking it's quite a leap to think that a genuine believer is eternally lost because she died before she forgave someone. I would struggle to see it that way. It can take time for us to allow God to work in our lives... sometimes a long time.

Consider believers who would have repented but died very unexpectedly. Will every believer have time to wrestle with a particular sin and resolve it fully before death? This is why it's wise to take our sins to Him without delay.

Isn't this too much of a grey area to paint black and white? We may die in the middle of an inner struggle, but that doesn't indicate we are doomed to everlasting destruction.

If your heart doesn’t condemn you, you have confidence before God.
If you know the right thing to do and don't do it, to you it is sin. But to say our eternal security stands or falls on one sin would cause us to live lives characterised by irrational panic and insecurity.

Let's not delay in seeking God's forgiveness. Failure in a sin doesn't indicate eternal ruin.

I'm not an apologist for John Piper, but here's an excerpt from a message he gave on Desiring God:

"So when [someone] asks, 'Does this mean that anyone who does not forgive others cannot receive salvation from God?' the answer goes like this:

"Struggling to forgive is not what destroys us. As long as we are in the flesh, we will do our good deeds imperfectly, including forgiving and loving others. Jesus died to cover those imperfections.

"What destroys us is the settled position that we are not going to forgive, and we have no intention to forgive, and we intend to cherish the grudge and fondle the wrong that someone did to me and feel the bitterness. It feels good. I like to go to bed with my wrath at night because he legitimately wronged me. I am going to hold this against him the rest of his life.

"If we think we can be indwelt by the Spirit of Christ and not make war on that attitude, we are deluded.

"So... if you have settled in with bitterness and anger and grudges and you are not fighting this by faith in the mercy of Jesus to you, I hope this episode will unsettle you and give you the freedom in Christ to let it go. 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord' (Romans 12:19).

"He will settle accounts... You don’t need to."
 
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when we refuse to forgive others

This has absolutly nothing to do woth refusing to forgive, but everything about whether one should forgive.

Our example is God. Does God refuse to forgive/ Are the unsaved forgiven and going to heaven?

Forgiveness is conditional on repentance.

We have to be willing, ready etc etc to forgive, but if there is no repentance, we do not have to forgive.
This does not stop people saying or actually forgiving.
Once there is repentance no matter how insincere we then have to forgive.
 
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I am going to share this with you. I did not want to because the judgment of other Christians can be very harsh, well actually the judgment of the Bible is harsh. But I am sharing with you, even though I will be told something that I don't want to hear.

The Bible tells us that if you do not forgive other people, you will not be forgiven. My mom was a believer in Jesus Christ. She really wanted to please Him. But my twin brother had hurt her. Before she died admitted that she was unable to forgive him for hurting her. All my life she taught me the Bible. She had an amazing testimony of how she became a Christian. But she died with some hurt and anger. Now, I am so scared that she will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave the testimony of the unmerciful master. She admitted that she was being a hypocrite. She couldn't understand why she wanted some of her kids to forgive her, but she can't forgive one of her other kids. She did not hide her sin. She died with unresolved issues with my twin brother. I am scared that this has sent her to hell. She had so much love growing up. But she was far from perfect. She was so hurt by my brother, and she couldn't let it go.

I know that praying for God to have mercy on her soul is worthless. But I can't help it. She considered herself as a child of God. But she failed in some areas. You read the Bible, and anyone can still fail as a believer.

According to John Piper, if you don't forgive you are in danger of hell. I am so scared for my mom.

Edit: I don't think people can answer this question. I have decided that I can't change anybody's destiny. I myself don't believe that I am saved so I shouldn't worry about my mom. But hopefully God had mercy on my mom.
It is natural, in most cases, for parents to have unconditional love for their children that being said, I am sure your mother never stopped loving your brother. Forgiveness is not something we can force by our own doing, it is the Holy Spirit who works in us to give us that strength. Outwardly she was unforgiving but inwardly she still loved him. Love conquers all. God calls us to forgive and that comes from the heart and only He knows the heart.
Blessings.
 
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I am going to share this with you. I did not want to because the judgment of other Christians can be very harsh, well actually the judgment of the Bible is harsh. But I am sharing with you, even though I will be told something that I don't want to hear.

The Bible tells us that if you do not forgive other people, you will not be forgiven. My mom was a believer in Jesus Christ. She really wanted to please Him. But my twin brother had hurt her. Before she died admitted that she was unable to forgive him for hurting her. All my life she taught me the Bible. She had an amazing testimony of how she became a Christian. But she died with some hurt and anger. Now, I am so scared that she will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave the testimony of the unmerciful master. She admitted that she was being a hypocrite. She couldn't understand why she wanted some of her kids to forgive her, but she can't forgive one of her other kids. She did not hide her sin. She died with unresolved issues with my twin brother. I am scared that this has sent her to hell. She had so much love growing up. But she was far from perfect. She was so hurt by my brother, and she couldn't let it go.

I know that praying for God to have mercy on her soul is worthless. But I can't help it. She considered herself as a child of God. But she failed in some areas. You read the Bible, and anyone can still fail as a believer.

According to John Piper, if you don't forgive you are in danger of hell. I am so scared for my mom.

Edit: I don't think people can answer this question. I have decided that I can't change anybody's destiny. I myself don't believe that I am saved so I shouldn't worry about my mom. But hopefully God had mercy on my mom.

We never know what happens in the last minutes of one's life.

Salvation is totally up to Jesus ... we really do not know who is or isn't saved and we shouldn't worry about it. Worry does not change anything.

Jesus wants to save as many as possible ... and He will .... we all fall short of perfection.

Rest in Him knowing He will make the perfect decision of who is saved.

It's all up to Him ..... leave it with Him.

May the Lord bring peace to your mind. Amen.

In the meantime .... follow the lamb wherever he goes.
 
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I am going to share this with you. I did not want to because the judgment of other Christians can be very harsh, well actually the judgment of the Bible is harsh. But I am sharing with you, even though I will be told something that I don't want to hear.

The Bible tells us that if you do not forgive other people, you will not be forgiven. My mom was a believer in Jesus Christ. She really wanted to please Him. But my twin brother had hurt her. Before she died admitted that she was unable to forgive him for hurting her. All my life she taught me the Bible. She had an amazing testimony of how she became a Christian. But she died with some hurt and anger. Now, I am so scared that she will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus gave the testimony of the unmerciful master. She admitted that she was being a hypocrite. She couldn't understand why she wanted some of her kids to forgive her, but she can't forgive one of her other kids. She did not hide her sin. She died with unresolved issues with my twin brother. I am scared that this has sent her to hell. She had so much love growing up. But she was far from perfect. She was so hurt by my brother, and she couldn't let it go.

I know that praying for God to have mercy on her soul is worthless. But I can't help it. She considered herself as a child of God. But she failed in some areas. You read the Bible, and anyone can still fail as a believer.

According to John Piper, if you don't forgive you are in danger of hell. I am so scared for my mom.

Edit: I don't think people can answer this question. I have decided that I can't change anybody's destiny. I myself don't believe that I am saved so I shouldn't worry about my mom. But hopefully God had mercy on my mom.
Jesus said, when we pray to His (our) Father "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespasses against us" He is teaching us that there an exchange that takes place.
Quid-pro-quo
Forgiveness isn't easy to do in our own strength, Jesus said that it must be "from the heart". Can we change our own hearts'? No.
we cannot even think a good thought without the help of The Lord...however, we must 'want to' forgive.

Jesus also said "which is easier to say, your sins are forgiven, or get up and walk?' He made the lame man walk, That's how hard forgiving is...
 
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The Bible tells us that if you do not forgive other people, you will not be forgiven.
Jesus Himself says >

"'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)

So, yes Jesus wants us to forgive "anyone" for "anything".

And we have what Jesus said, on the cross >

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34)

Jesus forgave those people, right while they were still so busy with hating and torturing and murdering Jesus who is God's own Son. And Jesus prayed that forgiveness to those people. He says to forgive while we pray, right? And on the cross Jesus prayed to our Father, to forgive them. And I note how a few verses later it says that criminal trusted in Jesus for salvation. So, I see how that prayer of forgiveness got that criminal saved.

So, yes we need to forgive, and others need us to forgive them in prayer for them. And while we are in prayer, possibly we will first need to trust God to correct us ourselves so now we are able to honor God through Jesus, by praying forgiveness to wrong people. And in prayer God can make us ready for love with any problem person . . . whether he or she is ready for us or not > we can be their best friend by being their good example of how to love, so they can find out how to love.

My mom was a believer in Jesus Christ. She really wanted to please Him. But my twin brother had hurt her. Before she died admitted that she was unable to forgive him for hurting her. All my life she taught me the Bible. She had an amazing testimony of how she became a Christian. But she died with some hurt and anger. Now, I am so scared that she will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
"She really wanted to please him." Well . . . of course . . . pleasing Jesus includes forgiving and caring prayer . . . including with hope for enemies > love "hopes all things" > in 1 Corinthians 13:7.

God's all-loving love makes us alive with hope for any and all people, like how Jesus so suffered and died for us, with hope for any evil person, at all.

But in order to forgive like Jesus, we ourselves need to repent . . . don't we? :)

"But my twin brother had hurt her."

It is written >

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (Philippians 4:6-7)

So, if someone obeys God . . . in His peace . . . this almighty peace easily and breezily and beautifully-wonderfully takes care of our minds and hearts, including our feelings and desires and emotions which are in our minds and hearts. And so Satanic people can not hurt us.

This is a basic of what we trust Jesus to do with us. Jesus Himself says >

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

If we invest in this, with Jesus, He makes us stronger and stronger in living in His peace with strength and His way of forgiving . . . so we become prepared to die well.

So, if you trust in Christ for salvation, trust Him to do this with you, as a basic. And never mind if anyone has told you this before or not; this is God's word which He guarantees to us who trust Him by obeying Him.

Jesus gave the testimony of the unmerciful master. She admitted that she was being a hypocrite. She couldn't understand why she wanted some of her kids to forgive her, but she can't forgive one of her other kids. She did not hide her sin. She died with unresolved issues with my twin brother. I am scared that this has sent her to hell.
Possibly your mom did not tell you the things I have just offered from God's word. Don't get confused about this. This is what God says; so no one has authority to override Him, by how they fail. God is the One easily able to have us doing all He means by His word.

So . . . about your mother > if she confessed how she was wrong, we do have 1 John 1:9 which says Jesus forgives us if we confess how we have sinned >

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all righteousness." (1 John 1:9)

But did she really change from being unforgiving? Did she pray with hope of love for your brother? In any case, you are not required to be wishful about anyone going to Heaven. We need mainly to invest in growing in Jesus, ourselves, so we are ready to die well and then share eternity with Jesus and His family.

And yes there are people who have kept on investing in their wrong stuff, so that how they have become when they die is what they will reap. We will reap so much more of however we become by the time we die > I say this, in consideration of Galatians 6:7-8.

Even if God might not expect us to forgive someone, I would say Jesus expects us to stay ready to forgive any person of any thing. We need to be how Jesus is capable of forgiving any person . . . so we are compatible with Jesus and pleasing to our Father like Jesus is . . . more and more growing in this . . . investing in this, sowing what helps us and others to become pleasing like Jesus is, plus all-loving.

We sow the ideas, the scriptures, the prayers, the actions and our example, so we may reap so much more in the resurrection.

She had so much love growing up. But she was far from perfect. She was so hurt by my brother, and she couldn't let it go.
"couldn't let it go" is not the same as being ready and able > we need to invest in prayer in which we trust God to make us ready for love with any person. I will offer that this is a basic of Christianity, how we submit to God to deeply correct our character so we are ready for love and forgiveness with any person, at all > because, among other things, Jesus Himself says >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

So . . . also . . . Jesus has us get beyond loving only our own favorite people and ones we hope to use for what we want. Salvation is better than how this world has brought us up to love. Jesus came to save us from how this world has people loving selfishly and possessively.

And judgment is good for us, then, because God's good judgment gets this evil world's ways away from His children. First, now, this needs to happen within us; within us, God gets rid of all the nasty negative numbing naughty stuff. Then His judgment removes ones who did not get rid of this world's evil ways.
I know that praying for God to have mercy on her soul is worthless. But I can't help it. She considered herself as a child of God. But she failed in some areas. You read the Bible, and anyone can still fail as a believer.
You do not need to be wishful, about her. But learn from however she might have been wrong, and possibly from any ways she taught you what is good.

But best of all, "learn from Me" (Matthew 11:28-30).
 
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So, yes we need to forgive, and others need us to forgive them in prayer for them. And while we are in prayer, possibly we will first need to trust God to correct us ourselves so now we are able to honor God through Jesus, by praying forgiveness to wrong people. And in prayer God can make us ready for love with any problem person . . . whether he or she is ready for us or not > we can be their best friend by being their good example of how to love, so they can find out how to love.

I already knew that. No one is denying with what scripture is saying.

But did she really change from being unforgiving? Did she pray with hope of love for your brother?

I don't know I hope that she did before she died. But she loved my brother, even though she had a hard time forgiving him.

Possibly your mom did not tell you the things I have just offered from God's word. Don't get confused about this. This is what God says; so no one has authority to override Him,

No one is arguing that. My mom would not argue that. But it still didn't change the fact that she was struggling to forgive.

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

I am aware of this. Yes, it is true that we need to put our trust in God, so that we can love others. But for all I know, my mom would have repented and moved into forgiveness before she died.

And judgment is good for us, then, because God's good judgment gets this evil world's ways away from His children.

Well, I don't see it as good. I know that I am judging it by my human emotions. But I will never see it as good. Throwing people into hell is horrible. But I know that God will never change his ways. So, it is worthless to discuss that.

You do not need to be wishful, about her.

I will always wish for her. No matter what. But I know that I can't change her destiny if she was in heaven or hell. But I will still cry out for God's mercy for her.
 
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Jesus said, when we pray to His (our) Father "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespasses against us" He is teaching us that there an exchange that takes place.
Quid-pro-quo

I understand that.
 
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We never know what happens in the last minutes of one's life.

Salvation is totally up to Jesus ... we really do not know who is or isn't saved and we shouldn't worry about it. Worry does not change anything.

Well, I am always going to worry about the people I love. I don't even worry about myself.
 
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