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No, I answered the query as posed:You forgot the second definition.
"lack of faith in something"
Just wanted to make sure we weren't deliberately missing something.
No, I answered the query as posed:
"Reject" implies intent. Disbelief is not a conscious choice. For what would I be held accountable?"
There is a point where disbelief becomes a conscience choice.
I really never have thought of God as being a big fluffy teddie bear. God has killed millions of men women and even innocent little children and babies. He destroyed the whole earth that one time with the Noah and ark episode.God is not a big fluffy teddy bear that is all sugar coated rainbows and hugs. There are some Christiandestroyed thet might preach this, but then they're changing the Bible to fit them instead of changing themselves to fit the Bible. God is just like an earthly parent who wants His children to obey. Just like a parent has a need for discipline when it comes to a child's obedience, the same applies to the big picture. We are children of God regardless of your belief, and you are not exempt from making mistakes regardless of how 'good' you think you are. If you screw up as a kid, do you not ask your parents for forgiveness? When they forgive you, do you then not except it? What causes you such heart hardheartedness that you are unwilling to treat your Heavenly Father the same?
God's wrath is real, and it will pour out on those who refuse to accept his forgiveness. God is a jealous God, and He does not want us worshiping anything over Him. If you do not believe in Him, than you believe in something else. A false idol. The new false idols of this world are money, property, self, food, celebrities, etc. When we love something worldly more than God we are living in sin. We must love God, each other, and put our faith in Him. He has chosen us, and we should be thankful. Follow the rules of the loving parent who created us, and remain obedient to the Word of God. "For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God." (1 Peter 2:15-16)
Ok, thanks. Do you think it is possible to be totally unbiased? Are you biased in your view of what is stated and claimed in the scriptures of the bible?It would seem we all have biases and preconceptions. Some of us dismantle and discard those biases and preconceptions that do not comport with objective, independently verifiable observations of reality.
Yes. I am an agnostic Christian, though only because it is logical to be so.And not necessarily true, agreed?
Mine is skeptical too. I maintain a position of belief until given sufficient reason to convince me otherwise. Information only contributes to a reason, which I think you could consider for future."All the hundreds of millions of people who, in their time, believed the Earth was flat never succeeded in unrounding it by an inch." - Isaac Asimov
My view is not opposing, it is sceptical. I maintain a position of disbelief until given sufficient information to convince me otherwise.
Thanks!Genesis 1
And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.
Romans 5
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
Romans 8
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Ok, thank you.That it didn't take very long.
Only after the fall Eve became pregnant so I don't think it took 100 years.
And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
Hi, thanks for responding, but actually I did want to know the exact statement that St Paul made to this effect. Would you mind telling me where it can be located? I am asking this, because I notice that St Paul is extremely subtle and precise with his words, and most people have a lot of difficulty actually reading him carefully enough. I would like to see whether there really is a contradiction between his teaching and that of Jesus'.Jesus taught salvation by faith not sacrifice. The hope of Jesus was that the Jews would take up their calling, believe in his gospel and carry that gospel to the world. We know what happened.
Paul taught "Christ and him crucified" in the form of the Old Testiment scapegoat. Blood sacrifice for sins was common among many evolutionary religions, having never been personally taught by Christ it's understandable that Paul would bring his own opinions to the newly forming religion about Jesus, not nessisarily of Jesus.
I do, BTW. Someone who loves and is lovable, able to give comfort, but who is powerful and perfect and should be revered and respected. I think what you are describing is one very good example of why it was necessary for Jesus to come in flesh, because we now know Him in the form of a human, which is easier for us to relate to than what you have described.I really never have thought of God as being a big fluffy teddie bear. God has killed millions of men women and even innocent little children and babies. He destroyed the whole earth that one time with the Noah and ark episode.
oh is it now? Could you suddenly choose to believe in lucky the leprechaun?
You omitted 2) lack of faith in something.Disbelief:
NOUN
inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real:
Have you the ability to read minds?There is a point where one can become willfully ignorant. They simple do not want to believe and brush it aside without ever even looking into a matter.
I don't care if it calls me a cab.The bible calls this person a Scoffer.
Where have I done this?Scoffer: someone who jeers or mocks or treats something with contempt or calls out in derision.
Scoff: To show or express derision or scorn
Full Definition of DERISION
1
a : the use of ridicule or scorn to show contempt
b : a state of being laughed at or ridiculed : a state of being derided
2
: an object of ridicule or scorn
2Pe_3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
"walking after their own lusts" = Making their own way.
When it comes to the point where an individual only talks to Christians in-order to tell them how stupid their belief is,
Is it not the religionists' burden to demonstrate that their opinions are right?and show them their wrong,
I do not do that, but I will ridicule some of the ridiculous justifications some religionists use to prop up their beliefs.and or go out of their way to ridicule, mock and otherwise denounce their God,
Not at all. Are you not here on a voluntary basis?then that individual is only trying to sow discord.
I think I have a clear understanding of the Christian God. It is a character in a book.There is no longer any attempt of said individual to understand the Christian God.
That does not describe me.At this point their disbelief becomes refusal to accept something, and it is at that point it is a conscience decision.
My disbelief is not the result of a conscious action. For what will I be held accountable?It is at this point that God will judge this person.
No.Ok, thanks. Do you think it is possible to be totally unbiased?
Probably. I desire to have an accurate description of reality.Are you biased in your view of what is stated and claimed in the scriptures of the bible?
I do not see how it is logical to believe in gods.Yes. I am an agnostic Christian, though only because it is logical to be so.
That is an application of the word "skeptical" that I am unfamiliar with. In that context, I take it that you mean "credulous". That is not what I meant.Mine is skeptical too. I maintain a position of belief until given sufficient reason to convince me otherwise.
What information in particular?Information only contributes to a reason, which I think you could consider for future.
Then if your disbelief is not a conscious decision, you should not be held accountable for it; agreed?This is only an answer to the question. Not a personal accusation.
"There is a point where one can become willfully ignorant. They simply do not want to believe and brush it aside without ever even looking into a matter."
I was trying to show how disbelief can be a conscious decision. That is it.
A person can willfully decide not to believe, and even engage in actions knowing they will never believe such foolishness. At that point the said individual has made a conscious choice to refute and/or disbelieve.
So why the reference to a fairy tale then? Your making a statement that believing in God is like believing in fairy tales.I showed you no ridicule nor contempt. Answer the question or concede the point.
Not believing in a warning is not going to stop a situation from killing you. But true ignorance, honestly having no idea about a situation would leave one innocent. We all fail to heed warnings at our own peril.Then if your disbelief is not a conscious decision, you should not be held accountable for it; agreed?
If I told you right now that your home was on fire, would you believe me, and get out right away?Not believing in a warning is not going to stop a situation from killing you. But true ignorance, honestly having no idea about a situation would leave one innocent. We all fail to heed warnings at our own peril.
So why the reference to a fairy tale then? Your making a statement that believing in God is like believing in fairy tales.
And to as why I'm on this line of conversation is because unbelief can be disobedience.
Do you believe there is statements in the bible that contradict reality, and do you believe there are statements in the bible that do not contradict reality? Can you please give some explicit description so I am not forced to guess what you have in mind?Probably. I desire to have an accurate description of reality.
It is more logical than the alternative: to think that those who believe in Him, trusted Him, spoke of their experiences with Him are lying or delusional. Especially since I am one of those people. If you think there is another explanation than dishonesty or mistake, please mention it because I probably have not thought of it yet.I do not see how it is logical to believe in gods.
Well in making the claim that God is not real, which contradicts what I think is most the reasonable belief, I am skeptical of that idea. I can not just believe your idea without a good enough reason.That is an application of the word "skeptical" that I am unfamiliar with. In that context, I take it that you mean "credulous". That is not what I meant.
No, information in general.What information in particular?
.. Is that possible?Then if your disbelief is not a conscious decision, you should not be held accountable for it; agreed?
I do not recall including any such qualifier.Ah... so were going with empirical proof?
empirical
[em-pir-i-kuh l]
adjective
1.
derived from or guided by experience or experiment.
2.
depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory, especially as in medicine.
3.
provable or verifiable by experience or experiment.
So, on that basis no. I observe no evidence to believe that my house is on fire.
Ah... so were going with empirical proof?
empirical
[em-pir-i-kuh l]
adjective
1.
derived from or guided by experience or experiment.
2.
depending upon experience or observation alone, without using scientific method or theory, especially as in medicine.
3.
provable or verifiable by experience or experiment.
So, on that basis no. I observe no evidence to believe that my house is on fire.
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