Dismantling theistic evolution with 10 questions

Vance · Oct 12, 2004

Obviously, Roswell has fallen into the trap described in my signature line.

Neandertals "cavemen with arthritis"?! This one is truly amazing. Here we have dozens of fossils (are we up to hundreds yet with Neandertals?), and each and every one of them are just humans with arthritis? With different DNA?

PLEASE do some reading from non-Creationist sources before making such statements.

USincognito · Oct 12, 2004

Rowell said:
I can do nothing short of publishing a book and giving it to you people with full citation before you believe about 4 years of my research on the arguement.

Why would someone want to purchase your book when they can get the same garbage in a Chick Tract for free?

I noticed you completely ignored Philosofts detailed and supported response to your claims. In debate, if one wishes to actually make a point, one should actually respond to challenges about ones claims.

I have a feeling you won't though...

Vance · Oct 12, 2004

Roswell, four years of research from Creationist sources is worse than no research at all. In order to find the truth now, you would have to UNDO all the false, incomplete and misleading information they have been feeding you.

And, yes, it is clear that your research has been almost exclusively from Creationist sources. Once again, read my signature line.

bluejeans · Oct 12, 2004

Vance said:
The ultimate problem with every one of those questions is that they anthropomorphize God and bring Him down to our puny level. This is ironic since it is the YEC's who say that TE's don't give God a large enough role in Creation. The truth is that they have trouble realizing that God is ultimately SO FAR beyond our comprehension that it is just silly for us to ask the "why's". He's GOD.

It is like my son, back when he was two, trying to understand my job as an estate planning attorney. No, that is even too close. More like my DOG trying to understand it.

God told us what we need to know for salvation, which are the truths contained in Genesis. We can also figure out the skeletal outline of how and when He did things through the study of His creation itself. But to think that we can fathom the infinite power and wisdom of the creator of "life, the universe and everything" is a bit hubristic.

(and no, the answer is probably not 42). :0)

Don't let the atheists get to you! There are great resources
available to you on the internet and book stores that prove that
Evolution is just a pagan religion and it's proving that Babylon is
rising back up. Satan is getting all the atheist back in church in
his pagan religions. He's not about to let them go in the last days.
Hang in there,and keep telling them the truth no matter how they
protest. They are the angry,bitter ones. Give them something to
think about when they begin to see that the bible is for real and
everything it says is happening today. Don't listen to their excuses.
God is alive,he's real,and he's shown me the evidence that he is
who he says he is,so stay strong in your faith,amen.

bluejeans · Oct 12, 2004

The atheist agenda is really part of the end times,and they know they just
don't want to live right thats why they hate those who believe Jesus Christ
and the holy bible. They desire to be as loose morally as they can be,and
they hope they can get away with it.

Hydra009 · Oct 12, 2004

Bluejeans, stop this foolishness. No one is taking it seriously.

Philosoft · Oct 12, 2004

You obviously don't know Vance very well, Ms. bluejeans.

Vance · Oct 12, 2004

bluejeans said:
Don't let the atheists get to you! There are great resources
available to you on the internet and book stores that prove that
Evolution is just a pagan religion and it's proving that Babylon is
rising back up. Satan is getting all the atheist back in church in
his pagan religions. He's not about to let them go in the last days.
Hang in there,and keep telling them the truth no matter how they
protest. They are the angry,bitter ones. Give them something to
think about when they begin to see that the bible is for real and
everything it says is happening today. Don't listen to their excuses.
God is alive,he's real,and he's shown me the evidence that he is
who he says he is,so stay strong in your faith,amen.

But the problem is . . . well, just about everything you just said.

Again, it is clear that you are just an atheist troll who has taken on the guise of a young earth creationist in order to discredit them by making YEC'ism look really, really idiotic. It won't work, we can see right through you.

Jet Black · Oct 12, 2004

Rowell said:
Evolution claims that each animal evolved into another from another previous animal, slowly, gradually, over millions of years. If this were true, we'd be able to look into the fossil record and see where a fish fin sloowwwwlly, gradually, evolved into a paw. In fact, we should at least see something that looks like an inbetween fin/paw. But we don't.

yes we do actually, here is one. there are earlier ones and later ones too

Not only do we not see one instance of it, but for darwinian evolution to be true we'd need to see billions of these things -- we ought to be able to stick each fossil one by one and make, almost, a motion picture will the subtle changes shown.

no, because fossilisation is rare. by your argument you should be able to find millions of passenger pigeon skeletons dotted around the US. go one, find one then.

This should occur for every evolved change. In fact, we ought to find it nearly impossible to tell where one animal begins and another ends -- it should be a growing tree of many variations leading back to one universal animal (if he still existed in the fossil record, of course, which would be highly improbable I know). Nontheless, instead we see clearly defined, individual species of animals that we can actually categorize because of their distinctness, appearing abruptly and apparently out of no where.

false, there are a number of organisms which are difficult to charaterise. Is cynodont a mammal or a reprile?

Darwin himself to say "The proof of evolution lies in the fossil record," but that he had no proof -- he believed the fossil record was incomplete, and hoped that in the future we'd discover examples of evolution.

and we have. see the evidence for the rebuttal of your baseless claim about tetrapod evolution.

I could get into each "caveman" and explain him, but there's something like 8 of those guys ... and I'm too lazy to cover them all. You have Neathderthal man who they found hunched over and with tools, so they said "He must be an ape man!". Closer examination of them shown that they were racked with severe arthritist that made them hunch over -- human, but the people were very sick, possibly due to inbreeding perhaps.

false, there are a significant number of neanderthal fossils which show distinct morphological differences to humans.

Piltdown man was faked by filing a chimpanzee and human skull together and making a cast of it -- it was later admitted to being one.

that was a hoax played on scientists and exposed by scientists.

Lucy was assembled using remnants of a chimpanzee skeleton and a human skeleton found in a different layer of soil in an different immediate location;

false, it is a single skeleton. therumours you have heard about the knee are misquotes made by dishonest creationists.

Nebraska Man was completely fictional, the result of a concept artists rendition of cave men to be used in a trial to support evolution based on a single tooth -- that tooth later being found to come from a pig.

he was never really accept3d anyway. are you going to go into all the fossils plz rather than the usual creationist selection. I love the way that 2 of your examples are hoaxes, and so irrelevant to the discussion, and you make massive errors about the other two. well done, you lack of knowledge is shining through.

Then you got your laws of thermodynamics. The second one, aka entropy, states that the universe is basically decaying. These a laws, uncontested. We can even prove it -- by sticking a car out in the middle of a field and watching it rot away. We even know that genetic information is lost when new life is created (childbirth). So in this universal law that says, and proves, that everything is falling apart, how do we then rectify a theory that says life is improving for the better, striving for further complexity and perfection? They're conflicting doctorine -- one's been proven, one has evidence pointing against it. I'll trust Lord Kelvin, eh?

ok, so look at my signature and see the second law of thermodynamics in it's full precise form. precisely which bit of evolution disobeys that rule and how? you're the expert it seems, so spit it out.

gluadys · Oct 12, 2004

Rowell said:
Okay, well I'm back from work and can finally respond fully to all the comments -- literalism isn't an unquestionable belief -- it is unquestionable that literal Christianity is Christianity. Some Christians, however, would say that a thiestic evolutionists is neither Christian nor evolutionist, and that is the point of what I was saying.

And some Christians would say that literalism is neither literal nor Christian. That is the point of what I was saying.

But nobody is saying that about either literalists or TEs on this board, right?

Mistermystery · Oct 13, 2004

bluejeans said:
The atheist agenda blahbklahblah.

Evolution does not equal atheism. Say that foolishness again and I will bring out the big Fonts. Btw, it's against forum rules to say that stuff, so please make my day.

Karl - Liberal Backslider · Oct 13, 2004

bluejeans said:
Don't let the atheists get to you! There are great resources
available to you on the internet and book stores that prove that
Evolution is just a pagan religion and it's proving that Babylon is
rising back up. Satan is getting all the atheist back in church in
his pagan religions. He's not about to let them go in the last days.
Hang in there,and keep telling them the truth no matter how they
protest. They are the angry,bitter ones. Give them something to
think about when they begin to see that the bible is for real and
everything it says is happening today. Don't listen to their excuses.
God is alive,he's real,and he's shown me the evidence that he is
who he says he is,so stay strong in your faith,amen.

1. Vance is an evolutionist
2. So am I
3. Neither of us are atheists.
4. Your entire hypothesis is thereby shown to be a load of dingos' kidneys.

h2whoa · Oct 13, 2004

Karl - Liberal Backslider said:
1. Vance is an evolutionist
2. So am I
3. Neither of us are atheists.
4. Your entire hypothesis is thereby shown to be a load of dingos' kidneys.

Ditto the above.

bluejeans · Oct 13, 2004

Excuse me,but you realy need to get some good books based on reality
instead of the fiction you are into. Yes,reality books cost more,but they
are worth every dollar. Henry Morris is a great author who is more than
willing to help you out.

USincognito · Oct 13, 2004

PDFTT...

bluejeans · Oct 13, 2004

h2whoa said:
Ditto the above.

I didn't say that only atheists believe in evolution. Thats crazy to accuse
me of that when I already know that evolution was invented by the
ancient pagan religions.

Karl - Liberal Backslider · Oct 13, 2004

bluejeans said:
I didn't say that only atheists believe in evolution. Thats crazy to accuse
me of that when I already know that evolution was invented by the
ancient pagan religions.

But the biggest religious group of evolution accepters in the West are Christians. That's what your position can't deal with.

bluejeans · Oct 13, 2004

Mistermystery said:
Evolution does not equal atheism. Say that foolishness again and I will bring out the big Fonts. Btw, it's against forum rules to say that stuff, so please make my day.

I know that it's not just the atheists who believe in evolution,and
isn't it against this forum for you to say what you say?

Blessed-one · Oct 13, 2004

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Data · Oct 13, 2004

bluejeans said:
I didn't say that only atheists believe in evolution. Thats crazy to accuse
me of that when I already know that evolution was invented by the
ancient pagan religions.

The ancient pagan religions of mid 18th century england?

Riight.

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