Dishonoring Mary

[Bastoune]

The anti-Mary "hate" developed over the past three hundred years in the more extreme protestant denominations. Now there are some who cannot see Mary's name mentioned without trying to insult and demean her - and imagining that in doing so, they are somehow pleasing God!!!

I am always stunned how Protestant Bible-studies on "women of the Bible" usually always fail to include the Virgin Mary!!!

 

[Benedicta00]

Right now there is some serious historical revisionism going on...people are trying to say in PRE that Calvin didnt support Mary's perpetual virginity! Amazing! I listed some references of Calvin's sermon's about the issue...but I bet it will be ignored.

Yeah, I know, we can’t read history right, we can’t read the ECF right, we can’t read scripture right, we can’t read what the reformers wrote right, we can’t read our OWN Church council and documents right… Everything is up to their subjective interpretation any anything we quote is falsely interpreted. They have turn everything into being subjective, there is no objective anything. God just wanted everything to be subjective, left up to personal interpretation.

The joke of the matter is, it is subjective and that is exactly why we have the magisteriuim, to know objectively what is true. They reject that because humans are fallible but yet they have the right way to read everything. They’re reasoning illogical at best.

 

[Bastoune]

Ah, the joys of revisionist history is alive and well among these so-called "True Christians"

www.landoverbaptist.org

 

[Oblio]

Why Catholics Worship Mary

 

[Benedicta00]

Why Catholics Worship Mary

Do they really believe this??? How stupid can one group be? And where did they get the trade mark on truly saved?

 

[Benedicta00]

Ah, the joys of revisionist history is alive and well among these so-called "True Christians"

www.landoverbaptist.org

Is this group even for real? And they say we have sandal. http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0204/farm****s.html

 

[Oblio]

Pssst .... It's a parody site

 

[wonder111]

I guess i'm more Catholic than I thought. I believe it's very important to honour Mary actually, and the dis-honour I see sometimes is upsetting.

 

[geocajun]

Fulton Sheen consitently pointed out that those who dishoner the Blessed Virgin Mary generally have issues with the Divinity of Our Lord, Jesus.
Pray for them.

 

[geocajun]

Pssst .... It's a parody site

"Truly Saved®" (note the trademark)

hahahha

 

[Benedicta00]

Pssst .... It's a parody site

I was wondering…

 

[Christy4Christ]

Oblio that was really deep and gave me goose bumps! The face and eyes will be hers! I love that.


Listen does anyone have info on the actual words that were used in the original language when the angel spoke to her? I have heard it said that the words that were said to her by the angel would have only been said to one who is holy. I have also heard this was lost in the translation to English. Does anyone have any info on what the words were?

Thanks for all of your responses to this thread.

 

[marciadietrich]

Can I ask what is considered by a Catholic to be dishonoring Mary? Is mere disbelief in the IC, and thus belief that Mary was a sinner, considered "anti-Mary"?

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"I'm smokin' the TRUTH, man!!!!!!"

Hey Frog,

It isn't dishonoring Mary to not understand all the Catholic belief.

Oh, and I love you sig line with Adrian Monk. Best show on TV.

Marcia

 

[Christy4Christ]

I am starting to see some really sick groups of people out there and here is the saddest part of all. I am having trouble praying for them. I am just having alot of trouble feeling sorry for them or praying for their soul or any of the things I should do as a good Christian. How dare they try and say WE are from Satan? WOW it's really amazing the ignorance of people. Thanks for letting me vent.

 

[Miss Shelby]

These people try to "prove" that Jesus hated and spurned His Mother, that she was just some sort of "vessel" like a glass tube through which Jesus entered the world, taking nothing of her - despite the fact that this is one of the most heinous Gnostic heresies, denying the Incarnation itself.

Yes, and they do so with Scripture. What they do not realize is not only are they dishonoring Mary, they are dishonoring the Lord! If such nonesense were true, it would mean that Jesus committed a sin, which He did not because Jesus is God.

Michelle

 

[FR0G]

Protoevangelium?

 

[FR0G]

Hey Frog,

It isn't dishonoring Mary to not understand all the Catholic belief.

Oh, and I love you sig line with Adrian Monk. Best show on TV.

Marcia

Isn't it though? It's a show I feel comfortable letting my 8 year old daughter watch right along with me too. Those are few and far between.

 

[Axion]

Protoevangelium?

A passage in Genesis generally agreed to be prophetic of the whole New Testament. (It is sometimes called the proto-gospel.)

Genesis 3:15. "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

These are the words God spoke to the SERPENT. Some confuse them with the words earlier spoken to Eve, taking Eve to be the Woman mentioned here, but this is not the case.

The words "her seed" are singular, meaning ONE decendant who shall bruise the head of the serpent. This decendant is generally agreed to be Jesus.


So who is the woman?

1. Her SEED is Jesus. Jesus is her child or descendant. The singular implies only One descendant.

2. In Hebrew thinking the SEED was imparted by the Man. Yet here the Woman is the one whose Seed Jesus is. "her seed". This is very unusual, and points to the Woman referred to being the SOLE human parent - as was Mary.

3. "I will put enmity between you and the Woman, and between your seed and her seed." This is spoken to Satan. And by this we can see that the Woman referred to cannot be Eve. Was there enmity between Eve and Satan? Eve was about to be expelled from Eden for Sin. Was there enmity between the "seed", or decendants, of Eve and Satan? No. They were so evil that all but noah and his family had to be destroyed.

Mary, however, being Full of Grace, Was at enmity with Satan, we see this emphasised again in Revelation 12, where Satan is shown at enmity with the mother of Christ and with her spiritual children. So, just as the "seed" referred to is Jesus. The Woman referred to, in Genesis 3 is Mary.

 

[tigersnare]

The words "her seed" are singular, meaning ONE decendant who shall bruise the head of the serpent. This decendant is generally agreed to be Jesus.

Following this hermeneutic, who is the serpants "seed"?

Following a different hermeneutic I've heard, is this was the start of the line of promise which we can follow all the way through the rest of the bible. aka Children of God and Children of Satan

3. "I will put enmity between you and the Woman, and between your seed and her seed." This is spoken to Satan. And by this we can see that the Woman referred to cannot be Eve. Was there enmity between Eve and Satan? Eve was about to be expelled from Eden for Sin. Was there enmity between the "seed", or decendants, of Eve and Satan? No. They were so evil that all but noah and his family had to be destroyed.

But surely Noah, then Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, etc etc.....aka the line the of promise.....no?

 

[Bastoune]

The seed is referred to in the singular as "he will crush your head" -- the "he" is supposed to refer to the Messiah, not the "seed" (although "seed" is a masculine word "spermatos" in the Greek [Septuagint] and in the Hebrew "zera", I think as well is masculine -- the word "zera" is the same in singular and plural forms but the singular of who would crush the head lends support that "seed" here is singular) See Gal. 3:16 to see the contrast of "seeds."