Dishonoring Mary

[Christy4Christ]

I have noticed lately during discussions in some forums that people who do not believe in "praying" to Mary have actually crossed the line and are actually dishonoring her.

It seems there is a really sick "Mary hate" and I would like to know where this started. Does anyone know where this flow of anti-mary stuff originated??? I know it wasn't Luther because he did honor Mary and as far as I know Calvin did too.

 

[Spotty]

I'm sure the flow of anti-Mary sentiments arrived shortly after the Reformation, and grew steadily over time. However, a greater increase occured when Rome declared as infallible dogma the Assumption and Immaculate Conception in the past century or so.

It's a shame, and an admittance by some evangelical Christians that they have been known to dishonor her. Some are trying to reconcile that and get to what they see as the "true" Mary and honor her accordingly.

-Spotty

 

[artnalex]

I would say that it has more to do with anti-catholicism than it has to do with anything else.

I don't think people who call themselves Christian could really dishonor Christ's mother if it weren't for alterior motives. How could anyone in their right mind say bad things about Mary, when Jesus not only loved her, ...

... but he also kept the commandment of honoring his mother and father.

Pray for people like that.

 

[Axion]

The anti-Mary "hate" developed over the past three hundred years in the more extreme protestant denominations. Now there are some who cannot see Mary's name mentioned without trying to insult and demean her - and imagining that in doing so, they are somehow pleasing God!!!

These people try to "prove" that Jesus hated and spurned His Mother, that she was just some sort of "vessel" like a glass tube through which Jesus entered the world, taking nothing of her - despite the fact that this is one of the most heinous Gnostic heresies, denying the Incarnation itself.

It amazes me that some people can convince themselves that they are freed of sin, and basking in grace and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but that Mary was wallowing in sin, and bore Jesus in that condition! They hold that Uncle Fred is basking in glory in heaven, they accept without demur that Enoch and Elijah were assumed, yet they claim that the Blessed Virgin Mary is dead and forgotten.

They will ignore every explanation given, and come back with the same old tawdry disproven arguments time and time again.

Even where there is zero evidence, they will strain every poor translation they can to try to "prove" that the Virgin Mary was not a virgin, and had dozens of children other than the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God.

It is a sickness.

 

[Veritas]

I think it's just an anti-Catholic knee-jerk reaction. Anything Catholic-like is to rejected, demeaned, made fun of and ultimately hated. I also think the further removed from the "Reformation" we get, the more unlike the beliefs of the original "reformers" Protestants get. In fact, many Evangelical (particularly dispensational) pastors believe that the "reformers" didn't go far enough by retaining many errors of Catholicism and that over time, Christianity has become more biblical. Go figure!

 

[FR0G]

Can I ask what is considered by a Catholic to be dishonoring Mary? Is mere disbelief in the IC, and thus belief that Mary was a sinner, considered "anti-Mary"?

 

[KennySe]

The expression "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" takes on a new meaning.

Some would push Mary aside at the moment Jesus is born.
They cling to the newborn King, and do not recognize "the bathwater" which nourished the pre-born Jesus, nor do they see Mary's continued presence with Her Divine Son, even at the Cross.

I am going to hope and pray that some eyes are opened on seeing "The Passion of the Christ".

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Yesterday? or the day before, I read a CF post where the person said that Mary was just the vessel. It's as though God the Son entered Mary's womb and was surrounded by a glowing forcefield lest He be touched by Mary. And when He was born, He had none of her blood on his utterly dry pristine body.
And there wasn't an umbilical cord.

"Yeah, this is my Dad and this is the vessel."

 

[KennySe]

Can I ask what is considered by a Catholic to be dishonoring Mary? Is mere disbelief in the IC, and thus belief that Mary was a sinner, considered "anti-Mary"?

Disbelief in the Immaculate Conception is wrong, but I would not say that this is intentional dishonoring her.

What IS dishonoring Mary, is a thread like a recent one here at CF where some posts spoke of Mary in a way and tone that I wouldn't want someone to speak of my grandmothers or my mom.

A Muslim can show more respect for Mary than some Christians.

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Here is an article by a Protestant that is headed in the right direction.

"The Blessed Evangelical Mary"
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/012/1.34.html

 

[BAChristian]

It is a sickness.

I couldn't have said it much better. Some people just...dont...get...it.

 

[FR0G]

Kenny was that thead in P/R/E? I think I may know whih one you're referring to.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I have noticed lately during discussions in some forums that people who do not believe in "praying" to Mary have actually crossed the line and are actually dishonoring her.

It seems there is a really sick "Mary hate" and I would like to know where this started. Does anyone know where this flow of anti-mary stuff originated??? I know it wasn't Luther because he did honor Mary and as far as I know Calvin did too.

I think that their hate just reaffirms that our devotions are true and appropriate.

Can you imagine someone disrespecting Jesus' mother to His face?



Besides, didn't Yahweh say in Genesis that He would put enmity between the devil and Mary? Yep...so these people that are hating our mother are simply acting out the will of Satan.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I am glad my nose is clean! I will NEVER dishonor Jesus' mother! I can't even imagine it!

I also found a couple of articles on Luther and Calvin. It is true that both of them believed in the perpetual virginity and also honored her.

Article 1

Article 2
Article 3

 

[kimber1]

very very interesting christy thanks for that!

 

[Benedicta00]

I have noticed lately during discussions in some forums that people who do not believe in "praying" to Mary have actually crossed the line and are actually dishonoring her.

It seems there is a really sick "Mary hate" and I would like to know where this started. Does anyone know where this flow of anti-mary stuff originated??? I know it wasn't Luther because he did honor Mary and as far as I know Calvin did too.

It's common around here and all I can say is, get used to it because it doesn't look like it will let up. They mock what they do not understand.

 

[RhetorTheo]

The non-mainlines Christians (and "Christians") I knew did not hate Mary, they simply believed she is dead. They would point out Ecclesiastes 9:5 ("the dead know nothing"), and believe that she, like everyone else, is in an unconscious slumber awainting the resurrection of the dead. They didn't love her or hate her because they believed she was dead, and unable to hear any prayers. I don't understand why they would want to disrespect her, though.

 

[Oblio]

Yesterday? or the day before, I read a CF post where the person said that Mary was just the vessel.

I read it too, in fact IIRC I called the poster on it. The statement made was a half-step away from one of the biggest heresies around.

 

[Benedicta00]

It amazes me the extent that non-Catholics will go to, to deny Mary any honor at all. They will deny the incarnation itself, deny that Jesus was fully human. How in the heck do they think he became man? By being born to a human mother. Geeze, is it that hard to understand that? God made him man by having him born to a woman?

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Right now there is some serious historical revisionism going on...people are trying to say in PRE that Calvin didnt support Mary's perpetual virginity! Amazing! I listed some references of Calvin's sermon's about the issue...but I bet it will be ignored.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

It amazes me the extent that non-Catholics will go to, to deny Mary any honor at all. They will deny the incarnation itself, deny that Jesus was fully human. How in the heck do they think he became man? By being born to a human mother. Geeze, is it that hard to understand that? God made him man by having him born to a woman?

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It makes me really wonder what motivates them in light of the Protoevangelium.

 

[Oblio]

Nor do they realize that when they see Him in Glory, the Face they will see will be her's, the Eyes will be her's, for He took His flesh and all humanity from her !