Discussing sin, what is true and false

[Danielwright2311]

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If there are two people and each one of them sin freely, or commit a sin of temptation, if neither one seeks or obtains forgiveness for those sins, will not both end up in hell?

I cant judge that, but I can say willful sin is not believing in Jesus and his words.

If we belive in Jesus we also belive what he said about will full sin and not believing him.

If all it takes is to belive in Jesus to be saved then will full sinners usually dont belive in Jesus.

And that is true, go out and meet non believers and see how they sin and how they dont care.

But if I belive in Jesus then I am already convicted in my heart and forgiven as I belive.

And as I belive, I dont want to sin, I dont want to even be tempted into sin, But I am a man who is faulty already.

So Jesus had to die on the cross for my sins as I am a sinner who sins from temptations that the spirit convicts me of.

I am not a sinner by choice, but a forced sinner.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Heb 6
4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Of course I don't KNOW. But I believe this is what it's about. I know you can be turned back from losing faith, I was, but having the Holy Spirit and willingly renouncing Christ ... ? People died as martyrs for that very reason, to not renounce Christ.

The issue here for me is that the scripture says "they again crucify to themselves the Son of God", the crucifixion of Christ was for our sins, our life time of sins. Not just for one sin, for all of them.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered [once] to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

In order to actually re-crucify Christ, we would have to have died in our sins. I think this is what the following scripture refers to.

1Jn_5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

I see the above scripture as saying, if we see our brother, a Christian, sinning we are to pray for them to be restored to faith, if they die in their sin, we can no longer pray about it, it is too late.

Hebrews 6 then is stating we are to be careful not to fall away from the faith to sin and unbelief, for if we do we shall be lost, we can no longer be restored if we die in our sins.

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

The above scripture in Ezekiel states similar, the righteous can be lost, but it is when he "dies in them".

 

[JIMINZ]

I cant judge that, but I can say willful sin is not believing in Jesus and his words.

Yes you can judge that, how else are you to know the difference between right and wrong, and the Wrong in this case sin causes death, and hell is the punishment for Un-Repented sin.

If we belive in Jesus we also belive what he said about will full sin and not believing him.

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Can you put Scripture to those two beliefs?

So Jesus had to die on the cross for my sins as I am a sinner who sins from temptations that the spirit convicts me of.

Once Saved, you are freed from sin.

Rom. 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

I am not a sinner by choice, but a forced sinner.

You are not a sinner at all if the Holy Spirit Dwells in you, you are a Born Again Child of God.

 

[Milos]

I'm curious, would it be much harder for the Holy Spirit to enter someone's heart the longer they walk in darkness? Just like in Adam, and Eve when they didn't trust in God and were drawn away into sin and it ended up in disaster.

I don't know if most people who did really wicked and evil things turn to God in the end. Does their wickedness consume them and make it harder for them to find the Lord compared to someone who did minor things such as lying or insulting someone?

Is there a veil that blocks the Holy Spirit from entering their hearts?

 

[Paidiske]

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[Ron Gurley]

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/sin-defined.8025516/

My Attempted DEFINITIONS:

1. SIN = "falling short" = ANYTHING contrary to the perfect CHARACTER and ATTRIBUTES of the TRI-UNE GOD...ALL fall short!

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

This is the spiritual gap between God's perfect good and Man's spiritual imperfections.

2. SIN(S) = personal "missing the marks" = willful or ignorant, commission or omission, "trespasses" that cause loss of fellowship with / create a barrier between God and Man...these can be FORGIVEN!...
For unbelievers, SALVATION...another important subject.
For believers, CONFESSION (spiritually agreeing with God) 1 John 1

Matthew 1:21
She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

sins...Greek 266...hamartia...
B.to miss the mark
C.to err, be mistaken
D.to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
E.to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin
II.that which is done wrong, sin, an offence, a violation of the divine law in thought or in act


3. SIN NATURE = the natural-born innate capacity and inclination to do / not do those things that can in no way commend Man and his "works" to God....Present in angels and in A&E in Eden, the negative part of "free will".
The innate natural tendancy to turn away from God and toward self, world, evil spirit beings.
This natural tendency is SPIRITUALLY changed by the SALVATION / REDEMPTION EVENT, BUT it still rears its ugly head in the BODY / SOUL combo ("flesh") during the SANCTIFICATION PROCESS.

see: Jesus on the "heart of man" ...Matthew 15:15-10

JESUS, the New Adam, DUAL NATURE: True Man...True God...is the only Man in history born free of the "sin nature", born of the miraculous and unique "seed of woman". Genesis 3

4. IMPUTED SIN:?...Romans 5:12. 15-17 (NIV)...Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ = IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS

2 Corinthians 5:21
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 3:10...as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one;

How believers deal with SIN(S) in their lives...>>> the "carnal Christ-follower " must CONFESS (agree with God)...
1 John 1: 5-10...Walking in the Light

1 Peter 3: 15-22 (NIV1984)... substitutionary atonement
For Christ (Jesus the God-Man) died FOR (ALL) sin(s) once FOR ALL,
the righteous (Jesus the God-Man) FOR the unrighteous,(all natural men with IMPUTED SIN)
to bring you to God. (salvation and reconciliation)