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Agreed. For instance, there are sins that the Lord calls abominations. There are the sins that He hates/are detestable to Him (Proverbs 6). There are the traditional "7 deadly sins". The question is, are there differing penalties for lessor and greater sins? I think so, as I believe true justice would demand it in the life to come (just like, on the flip-side, there are varying "rewards" for those who receive eternal life). I don't believe there is any lessor sin that is simply "winked" at by the Father, because His Son was required to die of the Cross to atone for all of them. It seems like we are probably on the same page about all of this so I will stop. You continue:Two different kinds of sin does not preclude the possibility of varying degrees of sin, though.
Yes, the passages from Matthew 12, Mark 3, Luke 12, and 1 John 5, tell us there is a single sin that is unpardonable once it's been committed, but there are other sins that lead to physical death, even for believers, Ananias and Sapphira from Acts of the Apostles 5 being the perfect example, though I do not believe their sin will result in their demise in the age to come.The post you responded to suggested that greater sins would bring a person to Hell, while lesser sins would be overlooked, and I do not disagree with your response that there is only one such greater sin and that all other sins are equally forgivable, and all other sins lead equally to death. However, I would also say that this does not mean that all sins are equal in gravity. A small sin and a great sin both lead to Hell, but there is still a difference between them in that one is small and one is great.
The Pharisees, who knew they wrong (and with fully calloused hearts didn't care), attributed the works of God the HS (exorcisms in this case) to Satan/Satanic power. That's how they blasphemed the HS (or at least came very close to doing so).What do you think it means to blaspheme the Holy Spirit?
The unpardonable sin is just that, "unpardonable", from the very moment it's first committed. This is not true of unbelief, which is a sin that can be both committed and forgiven, any time prior to a person's death.He convicts of unbelief, John 16:8-9, and if you consistently reject Him, you will not believe and you will remain in your unbelief, so how can there be forgiveness if you are rejecting the One who is offering forgiveness?
Don't know what you mean by 'sin management.' However, the Apostle Paul was quite clear on teaching the difference between walking in Spirit and that of walking in the flesh:The "sin-management" approach to Christianity has a wake of spiritual abuse and harm so long that educated people tend to see religion now days as deeply problematic.
While this certainly is a form of blasphemy of the Spirit, I would ask you to consider the possibility that you may have narrowed the definition too much by boiling it down to just that one example. There are different ways to blaspheme the Spirit, and while it is clear that the Bible gives that as an example, it is not clear at all that the Bible suggests that that one specific action is the only way to commit that sin.
I think it wouldn’t be taking advantage, but maybe rebellious and unthankful. If someone were to ask forgiveness and repent for their sin, which is a lifelong thing, then that’s okay. If someone were to ask forgiveness and keep sinning it would be a question of sincerity. Then there is also 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.Many people have told me sin doesn't matter, we are all sinners and that it is forgiven anyway.
This doesn't seem to make sense, yes I agree we are all sinners but once we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and then after that commit sins that we know is wrong? Is it sin that draws us away from God?
What they are telling me is basically this. A thief that steals is bad, but he is forgiven, then the thief steals, again and again, knowing that he is forgiven since "we are all sinners".
But isn't that taking advantage of God?
It is not just about remaining in unbelief, which you can forgiven of if you repent.The unpardonable sin is just that, "unpardonable", from the very moment it's first committed. This is not true of unbelief, which is a sin that can be both committed and forgiven, any time prior to a person's death.
Yes.What they are telling me is basically this. A thief that steals is bad, but he is forgiven, then the thief steals, again and again, knowing that he is forgiven since "we are all sinners".
But isn't that taking advantage of God?
There is a difference to free sin and tempted sin.
If you sin freely then you are guilty, but if you are tempted and fall then you can be easily forgiven.
But if you dont care then you wont seek forgiveness.
Many people have told me sin doesn't matter, we are all sinners and that it is forgiven anyway.
This doesn't seem to make sense, yes I agree we are all sinners but once we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and then after that commit sins that we know is wrong? Is it sin that draws us away from God?
What they are telling me is basically this. A thief that steals is bad, but he is forgiven, then the thief steals, again and again, knowing that he is forgiven since "we are all sinners".
But isn't that taking advantage of God?
The Pharisees, who knew they wrong (and with fully calloused hearts didn't care), attributed the works of God the HS (exorcisms in this case) to Satan/Satanic power. That's how they blasphemed the HS (or at least came very close to doing so).
The unpardonable sin is just that, "unpardonable", from the very moment it's first committed. This is not true of unbelief, which is a sin that can be both committed and forgiven, any time prior to a person's death.
Yours and His,
David
Hi david,
I believe that the unpardonable sin is both unbelief, and an actual action. There is no one particular sin that is unforgivable, be it adultery, lust, nothing, all sin is covered by the cross. The cross is a righteous life given, for an unrighteous one, so our whole life time of sin is covered. The biggest problem with the unpardonable sin is Christians often worry that they have committed it. The fact is a person who wills to believe (whilst alive in the flesh) can be saved, there is no one sin that can separate them from God, or his Holy Spirit.
Belief is what saves a Christian. But if you note the scriptures God can cause a person to not believe.
2Th 2:11-12 So God will make sure that they are fooled into believing a lie. All of them will be punished, because they would rather do evil than believe the truth.
God actually causes unbelief in a sinner so that they "will not believe", and what a is the reason? They "would rather do evil than believe the truth".
That was the condemnation of the Pharisee:
Joh 8:43-44 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
When a person attributes the powerful working of the Holy Spirit to a devil, they are essentially, denying God, so they can sin. The Holy Spirit is always leading a person away from sin, if they desire sin more than that leading, they will become blind, they will no longer believe in the crosses power, even though it is available to cover all of their sin.
I believe you need to be careful not to say there is one, unpardonable sin, for many believers think they have done it, and it prevents them from accessing the grace that is available to them. The unpardonable sin is desiring sin more than the truth, to the point God lets us be blind.
The unforgivable sin is rejection of the Holy Spirit's working in someone convicting them of there unbelief.
As long as someone is alive (breathing) there is hope for them to accept Christ. If they die rejecting Him, they cannot be forgiven. That is the unforgivable sin.
I think blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is when a person knows Christ in his heart by the Holy Spirit and then renounce Christ. Such a person knows very well what he is doing. Since he knows Christ, and is willingly turning his face away from Jesus, he that died for him and gave him eternal life. It would be like crucifying Christ anew.
It's a different matter if a person loses faith for some reason, then he can be turned back to faith.
Origen writes this on the matter:
"...but a share in the Holy Spirit we find possessed only by the saints. And therefore it is said, ―No man can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.‖ And on one occasion, scarcely even the apostles themselves are deemed worthy to hear the words, ―Ye shall receive the power of the Holy Ghost coming upon you.‖ For this reason, also, I think it follows that he who has committed a sin against the Son of man is deserving of forgiveness; because if he who is a participator of the word or reason of God ceases to live agreeably to reason, he seems to have fallen into a state of ignorance or folly, and therefore to deserve forgiveness; whereas he who has been deemed worthy to have a portion of the Holy Spirit, and who has relapsed, is, by this very act and work, said to be guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
http://www.midamerica.edu/uploads/files/pdf/journal/02-lammejournal2012.pdf
Hi david,
I believe that the unpardonable sin is both unbelief, and an actual action. There is no one particular sin that is unforgivable, be it adultery, lust, nothing, all sin is covered by the cross. The cross is a righteous life given, for an unrighteous one, so our whole life time of sin is covered. The biggest problem with the unpardonable sin is Christians often worry that they have committed it. The fact is a person who wills to believe (whilst alive in the flesh) can be saved, there is no one sin that can separate them from God, or his Holy Spirit.
Belief is what saves a Christian. But if you note the scriptures God can cause a person to not believe.
2Th 2:11-12 So God will make sure that they are fooled into believing a lie. All of them will be punished, because they would rather do evil than believe the truth.
God actually causes unbelief in a sinner so that they "will not believe", and what a is the reason? They "would rather do evil than believe the truth".
That was the condemnation of the Pharisee:
Joh 8:43-44 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
When a person attributes the powerful working of the Holy Spirit to a devil, they are essentially, denying God, so they can sin. The Holy Spirit is always leading a person away from sin, if they desire sin more than that leading, they will become blind, they will no longer believe in the crosses power, even though it is available to cover all of their sin.
I believe you need to be careful not to say there is one, unpardonable sin, for many believers think they have done it, and it prevents them from accessing the grace that is available to them. The unpardonable sin is desiring sin more than the truth, to the point God lets us be blind.
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ORIGEN is just wrong, and you haven't provided any Scripture to back up your beliefs.
If you want to be forgiven, to have a relationship with Jesus, it's not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Such a person want nothing to do with the kingdom of God. Without the pull of the Holy Spirit, there is no regret, there is no remorse ... no change of mind.
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