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Lately I've been trying to figure out whether what I'm "hearing" and/or feeling is just my own personal internal voice or if it's the quiet voice of God. D had in her daily devotion something about listening for the voice of God, of setting aside time to hear Him speak to us, to our hearts. But I just don't know how to differentiate.

How do you tell the difference? I do pray regularly, but I don't know if that's quite what that means. Maybe I simply don't understand what discernment, in fact, is.

Any insight you have would be welcome. Thanks.
 

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Sometimes I think we over-analyze God WAY too much.

He wants us to come to Him as little children...simple, trusting, open minds and hearts, no big theologies or dogma or fancy religious concepts.

I would say: keep reading the Word, keep praying, use your head, be sensible, and if you feel no conviction or doubt about your feelings, go with it.
 
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When it comes to Jesus, I try to keep it simple. For better or worse, you'll rarely find me quoting scripture. It's not my gift, and it's not my way. I don't enjoy deep theological conversations, or at least not that often, and don't discuss doctrinal issues.

What I'm trying to figure out is whether I'm doing something because I'm feeling led, or because it's what *I* want to do.

I guess I'm not explaining my issue very well. Sorry.
 
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When it comes to Jesus, I try to keep it simple. For better or worse, you'll rarely find me quoting scripture. It's not my gift, and it's not my way. I don't enjoy deep theological conversations, or at least not that often, and don't discuss doctrinal issues.

What I'm trying to figure out is whether I'm doing something because I'm feeling led, or because it's what *I* want to do.

I guess I'm not explaining my issue very well. Sorry.
I think you're explaining yourself quite well JD and I know exactly what you mean. There are times I struggle with this very same question.

I think often times, when we do feel "led" it isn't the Lord leading us it is our wants and desires.

One thing I'm learning to do more is that when I pray - I present the situation to the Lord and I tell Him my desire for the situation but then I also pray that His will be done. I ask that He shut the doors that need to be shut.

I know that if I pray that the Lord open the doors - that leaves to much room for me to open those same doors out of my own will but if I ask that the Lord shut the doors that need to be shut - then it seems to be a better way for me to discern what is going on - it seems to leave little room for me to act because when I want something I'm going to do what I can to make it happen - not what I can to make it not happen.

Does that make sense? :scratch:
 
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When it comes to Jesus, I try to keep it simple. For better or worse, you'll rarely find me quoting scripture. It's not my gift, and it's not my way. I don't enjoy deep theological conversations, or at least not that often, and don't discuss doctrinal issues.

What I'm trying to figure out is whether I'm doing something because I'm feeling led, or because it's what *I* want to do.

I guess I'm not explaining my issue very well. Sorry.
No, you explained it just fine. What I was trying to say was...sometimes we tear ourselves to pieces trying to decipher between those two things, when I don't think we need to do that, and I don't think God wants us to, either. If you're staying faithful to Him and making sure that your heart and spirit are open to His voice, I don't think you need to torture yourself with indecision.
 
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I do a couple of things. I pray that I am following God's will and that if I'm not, He will put stumbling blocks in my place. I have watched doors fly open that I never would have even contemplated, otherwise.

I also am practicing listening to my gut. Not necessarily what the "voice" is telling me, but what I'm actually feeling. I don't know if it's really different or not, but it seems to be working for me. I get very still and start contemplating a matter. If what I'm thinking about (and "the voice") is making me uneasy or causing a pit in my stomach, then I have to believe that the choice I'm considering is not the right one. If I feel good about it - my gut isn't tense and I'm not feeling anxious, then I go with it. So far, that's been working for me, too. The voice can be too easy to argue with, but the gut is pure instinct.

JMHO
 
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. . . I think often times, when we do feel "led" it isn't the Lord leading us it is our wants and desires.

One thing I'm learning to do more is that when I pray - I present the situation to the Lord and I tell Him my desire for the situation but then I also pray that His will be done. I ask that He shut the doors that need to be shut.

I know that if I pray that the Lord open the doors - that leaves to much room for me to open those same doors out of my own will but if I ask that the Lord shut the doors that need to be shut - then it seems to be a better way for me to discern what is going on - it seems to leave little room for me to act because when I want something I'm going to do what I can to make it happen - not what I can to make it not happen.

Does that make sense? :scratch:

Yes, you did make sense, and I'll come back to that in a bit to make sure I understood you right. I don't really go to God with my own problems. Right or wrong, I feel He knows what's going on in my life and I don't want to presume anything of or on Him. (I do, however, pray for others.) What I do ask of Him is that I continue to grow in His ways, an that I serve Him as best I can, that what I do be pleasing to Him.

Are you saying that if you ask that He not allow you to move forward and then you don't move forward, then you know it's His will; but if you ask to be allowed to do something, then it might just be what you want and not His voice?

. . . What I was trying to say was...sometimes we tear ourselves to pieces trying to decipher between those two things, when I don't think we need to do that, and I don't think God wants us to, either. If you're staying faithful to Him and making sure that your heart and spirit are open to His voice, I don't think you need to torture yourself with indecision.

Got it. I think that's a big part of my problem, in that I think I'm am staying faithful then I realize I'm not. I'd rather not go into it, but that's a part of what I feel a big part of the time.

I do a couple of things. I pray that I am following God's will and that if I'm not, He will put stumbling blocks in my place. I have watched doors fly open that I never would have even contemplated, otherwise.

I also am practicing listening to my gut. Not necessarily what the "voice" is telling me, but what I'm actually feeling. I don't know if it's really different or not, but it seems to be working for me. I get very still and start contemplating a matter. If what I'm thinking about (and "the voice") is making me uneasy or causing a pit in my stomach, then I have to believe that the choice I'm considering is not the right one. If I feel good about it - my gut isn't tense and I'm not feeling anxious, then I go with it. So far, that's been working for me, too. The voice can be too easy to argue with, but the gut is pure instinct.

JMHO

Good grief, I'm going to become philosophical. Never a good thing for a lawyer. Okay. All in all, I think what you're saying is kind of what I try to do. The first paragraph leads me down a road that, if I apply the idea to myself, I'd rather not think about right now.

It sounds like what you're feeling in your gut is your conscience, your morality if you will. It sounds like you have a good moral compass and know where you are in the world and where you want to be - - where you need to be. Also, it sounds like you check in on yourself regularly to make sure you're staying on the right path. Which I think is a good thing. That's kind of what I'm getting from what you wrote in the 2nd paragraph.
 
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I don't remember where I was going with my thoughts last night, but it reflects on my life, not on you or anything you said. I do think it's a good thing.
It seems like things are "cloudy" for you right now, so I'm going to be in prayer for you that God will give you clarity in the areas that you are seeking it right now. :hug:
 
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Lately I've been trying to figure out whether what I'm "hearing" and/or feeling is just my own personal internal voice or if it's the quiet voice of God. D had in her daily devotion something about listening for the voice of God, of setting aside time to hear Him speak to us, to our hearts. But I just don't know how to differentiate.

How do you tell the difference? I do pray regularly, but I don't know if that's quite what that means. Maybe I simply don't understand what discernment, in fact, is.

Any insight you have would be welcome. Thanks.
It's taken me some time to post in this thread because I wanted to get my thoughts together. It's a good question.

First and foremost, discerning God's will comes out of our relationship with Him. Just as we learn to "read" our best friend or our close relatives, we can learn to discern if the Holy Spirit is speaking to us or if it's our own inner voice.

Praying is a key component in that. As we establish a habit of seeking His voice (that is, spending some prayer time being silent before God and inviting Him to talk to us), we become familiar with His voice as He speaks or nudges us or directs our thoughts. For me, I "hear" God most definitely when I journal. It's like, as I write, my thoughts move to something I wouldn't have thought of myself -- a solution to a problem or a new perspective. Sometimes, I feel peace or hope when that happens.

Although some people have heard God speak clearly to them -- I'm reminded of a guy who said God told him to quit his job so that he could be available for missions -- more often discernment is a multi-faceted process.

There's a rule of thumb that God's will is revealed through circumstances, confirmation of the Holy Spirit, the counsel of fellow Christians and in conformity with the Word. The third element is particularly helpful -- sometimes if you ask some trusted Christian friends to pray about a particular decision that's facing you, one or more will respond with what the Lord has shown them as they've prayed for you. Or on a less "spiritual" level, sometimes Christian friends can reflect back to you what they see -- for example, whether your motives for choosing a particular decision appear well-grounded or not.

My most significant recent "discernment" experience happened in December, when I considered going on a mission trip. There was one complicating factor that I wasn't sure about, so I prayed and asked some trusted Christian sisters to pray as well. It took about four days of intensive prayer and journaling, but I finally got to the point where I knew God was telling me, "No." When that happened, I couldn't think of the mission trip without hearing and feeling a "No" in my spirit.

It was significant because from a "human" standpoint, I would have gone. I wanted to go, I had enough vacation time, enough funds, etc. But I didn't feel a peace in my spirit until I finally accepted the "no." At the same time, I feel God was really patient with me as I wrestled over it and even "tested" Him.

The bottom line for me was that I wasn't going to be happy unless I knew He was in my decision, and God knew that. I didn't want to "slip" something by Him. I think when we honor God in that way, He will guide our thoughts in ways that we can understand.

Sorry to go on so long about this. I could write more, like how sometimes we move forward in faith because God doesn't necessarily give a "yes" or a "no" to every situation, but I will spare you. :)
 
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God is never silent...
He speaks to us all the time.
His voice is quiet and calm but when you hear it...you wonder how you could have missed it all this time due to it's volume.

I really wish I could help...but I can't. I am not allowed. But I can ask you this.

What price would you pay if you could hear God's voice? (God doesn't so much deal in cash)
The cost sometimes is quite high.
People pay past presidents millions of dollars to talk and consult with them...Now we are talking about the Eternal God...who doesn't want money...he wants something of infinately more value than that...and He doesn't make deals.

God is good...God is always good...and souls have to be given.
 
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God is never silent...
He speaks to us all the time.
His voice is quiet and calm but when you hear it...you wonder how you could have missed it all this time due to it's volume.

I really wish I could help...but I can't. I am not allowed. But I can ask you this.

What price would you pay if you could hear God's voice? (God doesn't so much deal in cash)
The cost sometimes is quite high.
People pay past presidents millions of dollars to talk and consult with them...Now we are talking about the Eternal God...who doesn't want money...he wants something of infinately more value than that...and He doesn't make deals.

God is good...God is always good...and souls have to be given.
Uhmmm...you're post confused me...I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say...and what did you mean by this part:

I really wish I could help...but I can't. I am not allowed.
 
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Yes, you did make sense, and I'll come back to that in a bit to make sure I understood you right. I don't really go to God with my own problems. Right or wrong, I feel He knows what's going on in my life and I don't want to presume anything of or on Him. (I do, however, pray for others.) What I do ask of Him is that I continue to grow in His ways, an that I serve Him as best I can, that what I do be pleasing to Him.
God's Word tells us that we have not because we ask not. Yes, the Lord knows everything that is going on in our lives - He sees it all - but He wants us to be an active participant in our relationship with Him. Just as we would ask our earthly Father for the things that we desired, God wants us to ask Him. He wants to talk to us about our hopes and dreams. He wants to hear us voice our deepest desires to Him. It isn't so much for His benefit because again, He knows everything, it's to deepen and strengthen our relationship with Him.

I do understand what you are saying JD. There is an issue in my life that I have prayed and prayed about until I am blue in the face and nothing seems to change...and I had given up praying about it. I was relying on others to do my praying for me...but I've come to realize that I'm doing myself a diservice by not taking my own petition to the Lord. Yes, there is a time for others to intercede on our behalf but we also need to pray without ceasing...so that's what I'm going to do. I'm taking up my own cause again and taking it to the Lord myself. I still want others to pray as well but I need to be praying about this issue too.

Are you saying that if you ask that He not allow you to move forward and then you don't move forward, then you know it's His will; but if you ask to be allowed to do something, then it might just be what you want and not His voice?
Yes, that's pretty much what I'm trying to say. Hmmm...I'm not exactly sure how to explain this...it isn't that I don't move forward - I pray that as I'm moving, if it isn't the Lord's will then doors close and I'm not able to go through them...but if I pray that God allow me to do something - I'll do whatever I can to manipulate the situation to happen the way I want it and then how will I know if it was God's will or just my own manipulation. Does that make sense? :scratch:


 
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Uhmmm...you're post confused me...I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say...and what did you mean by this part:

What I am saying is that I can't tell someone how to hear God's voice...but that God is always available and speaking.
His whispers are louder than most people's yelling and always full of truth.

There is a price that a person pays for being able to hear God's voice. It is only seems free by comparison of what it costs.

God doesn't neccesarily tell you what you want to hear...He tells you what you need to hear.

He hears us always. It is sad that many can't hear Him. He is wonderful and beyond understanding...But His messages are always clear and layered.

(no, there aren't voices in my head)
 
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What I am saying is that I can't tell someone how to hear God's voice...but that God is always available and speaking.
His whispers are louder than most people's yelling and always full of truth.

There is a price that a person pays for being able to hear God's voice. It is only seems free by comparison of what it costs.

God doesn't neccesarily tell you what you want to hear...He tells you what you need to hear.

He hears us always. It is sad that many can't hear Him. He is wonderful and beyond understanding...But His messages are always clear and layered.

(no, there aren't voices in my head)

John, I know exactly what you mean!! That is like me and the house thing. I just 'knew' that God has chosen that house for me. But, I didn't get the loan. So, it's like He is saying Wait...I have something better for you, and when you can actually afford it!
 
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It's like, as I write, my thoughts move to something I wouldn't have thought of myself -- a solution to a problem or a new perspective. Sometimes, I feel peace or hope when that happens.

Yes, that is what its like for me too. Although not when I write, but when I'm just still in heart, not anxious about anything, at a peaceful state I suppose - open. It is like a knowledge of something that certainly didn't come from me. Something I never would have thought of, insights I never considered. I have never heard God's voice audibly, and don't get me wrong, I am not saying it isn't possible (everything is possible with Him), just hasn't been my experience...yet. For me, this "state" for lack of a better term happens most when I am in natural areas - walking through the forest, sitting at the shore of a lake, watching a sunset, etc.

Sometimes I may be praying about a certain (long winded) topic, and He changes the subject on me. Something that He wants me to think about or do something about, rather than what I thought was important. When I follow that lead, it becomes very clear why it was more important, and mostly it ends up being something that is causing my closeness with God to be compromised.
 
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I've been going through the discernment process (and yes it is a process) for about a year. And I fully agree with what Jen says here:

Jenster said:
There's a rule of thumb that God's will is revealed through circumstances, confirmation of the Holy Spirit, the counsel of fellow Christians and in conformity with the Word. The third element is particularly helpful -- sometimes if you ask some trusted Christian friends to pray about a particular decision that's facing you, one or more will respond with what the Lord has shown them as they've prayed for you. Or on a less "spiritual" level, sometimes Christian friends can reflect back to you what they see -- for example, whether your motives for choosing a particular decision appear well-grounded or not.

Through the process I've had confirmation from the Spirit, from fellow Christians and also through the Word. Sometimes you just have to take that next step on faith.

tSince I took that next step on faith, there have been many doors that God has opened for me that are leading to my decision to become a Pastor. He has smoothed so many paths and helped me to overcome so many obstacles that have arisen since I answered my call from God. It has taken a lot of prayer and time with the Lord and has deepened my faith.

But you have to realize that the discernment process is different for everyone and everyone approaches it differently. But I will tell you this, when you are in line with the Spirit and the Word there is a gut feeling that you will get that this is right for your life. Sometimes that's all you have to go on.
 
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God has mainly been revealing His will to me by giving me thoughts, persistent thoughts.

Many times I get the thoughts to pray for somebody.

One time I saw a teen in the back of a police car and tears started to roll out of my eyes and I just knew that God had called me to have compassion for that person and to pray for him.

Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and feel the need to pick up my Bible and read and then to pray, even worship Him.

One day as I was driving to work and listening and singing along to some christian songs on the radio I got a thought that I should turn off the radio and pray. I was having such a good time singing that I chose not to listen to that thought. However, it came back again and again until I decided to obey. I did not know what to pray for but as I opened my mouth I started to ask God for his protection. As soon as I finished praying, out of the blue, without any apparent cause, I lost control of my car. After what seemed an eternity, I managed to control my car without bumping in the other cars in the traffic or hitting my car into some trees on the other side of the road. I was very shaky but not harmed.

Twice I got the feelings that though the traffic light turned to green I was not to move. These two times I respected my feelings and stood still just to see a car racing through the intersection. If I had moved I would have been struck at these two different times and probably would not have made it alive!

There have been many other when He "spoke" to me and I "heard".

I believe that we need to regularly spend quality time with God reading His word, praying and worshipping Him in order to get to know Him and to be tuned to His guidance and advice, to His still small voice.
 
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There's a rule of thumb that God's will is revealed through circumstances, confirmation of the Holy Spirit, the counsel of fellow Christians and in conformity with the Word.


Yup!

However, at what point do you determine that there are too many roadblocks in the way down a particular path and you give up? 1? 5? 20?

I guess what I'm really asking is what level of adversity can be ignored and at what level of adversity do you know you're not to do something? Plus there's a big difference in circumstances - you send a resume out 100 times and you're rejected 90 times versus if you ask a person out and (s)he declines twice.


 
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