Dinosaurs?

[JohnR7]

your lesson for today is that evolution does not contradict the bible.

Evolution may not contradict the Bible. But man's theory of evolution contradicts the Bible. The theory of evolution reminds me of a three year old, trying to understand college level material.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Evolution may not contradict the Bible. But man's theory of evolution contradicts the Bible. The theory of evolution reminds me of a three year old, trying to understand college level material.

Such a scathing judgement from one who has a history of evading every question asking to explain the theory.

Perhaps you simply don't know?

 

[Temper (B.E.)]

Better than a 3 years old arguing with university teachers on the basis that Santa Claus disproove that nothing go faster than light. The kid in question would never look at elementary school material, and is a form of metaphor for a foolish creationist.

 

[Temper (B.E.)]

Hi Nathan, I recognise that face.

 

[JohnCJ]

Many dinos probably died off because of a change in conditions after the Flood. Most of the remaining dinos were probably hunted to extinction due to human fear.

In any theorized or believed mass extiction the last to die would be the predatory animals. They will in dire straights eat carrion to survive (like lions dogs). So assumeing what you believe about the flood is true then a small population of people hunted down T. Rex with pre-copper age technology?

 

[Ishmael Borg]

In any theorized or believed mass extiction the last to die would be the predatory animals. They will in dire straights eat carrion to survive (like lions dogs). So assumeing what you believe about the flood is true then a small population of people hunted down T. Rex with pre-copper age technology?

I think Dr. Hovind says that human hunters tore off the little arms of the T. Rexes and they bled to death.

 

[Silent Enigma]

No, you're quite right, dinosaurs are dragons, not behemoths. I'm not sure I understand all of the references to unicorns in the bible, but I'm sure that there are unicorn fossils waiting for us to unearth.

There are no references to unicorns in the bible, unless you're referring to the KJV, in which case it was a mistranslation.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

There are no references to unicorns in the bible, unless you're referring to the KJV, in which case it was a mistranslation.

Here's what really happened.

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Jet Black]

Evolution may not contradict the Bible. But man's theory of evolution contradicts the Bible. The theory of evolution reminds me of a three year old, trying to understand college level material.

really? Well I have my sparkly new copy of Futuyma's Evoltuionary Biology here which I plan on reading in my spare time. It's pretty big (just over A4 size) and is about 800 pages long. Also at the end there are 41 pages of cited references, with about 40 references per page (I only sampled one page for this number, and some of the references there covered three lines, but it is still a good approximation) so that is about 1600 cited references, each of which will cite their own references, and cover the referenced points in much more detail than the book does. Each reference (I am ignoring the book references and assuming they are all journal papers) will be probably aout 4-6 pages long, so lets say 5 (I am working on the basis of physics papers here, biology ones might be longer, though I doubt shorter) - so within one layer of references I have about 8000 sides of highly technical stuff to go through, much of which I don't even stand a chance of understanding (yet) until I have read books like The Molecular Biology of the Cell, also on my bookshelf, which is 1500 pages long, also higly technical and has at least 1 page of references at the end of each chapter, giving 25 pages of references at a similar density to Futuyma.

It's hardly a three year old trying to understand college level material is it?

incidentally, it contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible, nothing more.

 

[JohnR7]

Futuyma's Evoltuionary Biology .

Here is a review I found on Amazon about one of Futuyma's books

You don't need to look any further than the sample excerpts on page 4 to see the bias and ignorance of the author's ability. It is no wonder that evolutionary science has been so blind to its flaws. In page 4 Futuyma makes the claim that the Genesis account in the Bible was based on Babylonian and Chaldean myths and written by four authors. He knows this because "Biblical scholarship and archaeological research have establish" it to be true. The fact to the matter is that there is no such scholarship or archaeological evidence. In fact, it has been the contrary. Since the beginning of these higher criticism and these so called scholarships was based. Archaeology has proven the basis from which they stem from is false. These so called scholars from the likes of Julius Wellhausen in 1895 to the Jesus Seminar are no more scholars than Duane Gish or Henry Morris are scholars to the evolutionists. Their arguments are based on their own fantasy of the ancient world and not on evidences. They assume things like there was no writings in Moses's day or the Hittites did not exist during Abraham's day. From these assumptions they conjured up their own myths as to how the Bible came about. Archaeology has proven their assumptions to be false with the discovery of the "black stele" and evidence of 1200 years of Hittite civilization. However, people like the Jesus Seminar and Futuyma are still propagating their Biblical myths when their underlying assumptions have already been proven false. There are many more evidences against these myths that the evolutionists are propagating, if only they are willing to look at the evidences with an open mind.


Also in that same paragraph on page 4 Futuyma claims that the erroneous perceptions of our universe in the Middle Ages are rooted in Scripture. The fact again is that the Bible never promulgated any such ideas. However that doesn't mean that their aren't Christian who misinterprets the Bible and make claims that aren't there. Bottomline is that if this is the best of Futuyma's ability to analyze facts from fiction. I would doubt his ability to objectively analyze any scientific claims.

 

[Arikay]

Your right John, the 1600 references about evolution must All be wrong because Futuyma might be biased when it comes to biblical archeology.

 

[Jet Black]

John, Page 4 of the book I am actually talking about here is about the evolutionary perspective, and includes some nice pictures about the respiratory and anterior digestive systems of bony fish, lungfish and mammals. Do you mind not running off on a tangent and looking at some pointless character assassination and address those 1600 references?

Furthermore, you are invoking sample bias here. From the reviews of Science on Trial: The Case for Evolution - the book you chose to look at, some 17 of 23 readers give it the full 5 stars, one reader who gave it 2 criticised it on being boring and too heavy reading. Furthermore you intentionally picked a book there that was about the science/creationism argument and was bound to draw comments like these. If we look at the book that I am talking about here, all 4 readers give it the full 5 stars. I am not saying this means that the book is excellent, since this is also sample bias too, however all you did in criticism of the entire field of evolutionary biology was to sample a biased sample is a biased way which supported your views. Can we have some intellectual honesty from you please, and can you answer the question rather than the usual ducking and diving that we have come to expect from you?

 

[whatmomdidnttellyou]

I beleive that dinasours are living today and I also have a better theory. When the flood happened and noah was asked to bring two of every animal he did ,even the dinasours. People ask " how would that many huge dinasours fit on the arc?" God didnt say to get two of the biggest of every animal. Noah brang all the baby dinasours on the boat, a pair of every two. The reason That most of the dinasours got extinct is because people started hunting them. But there are still some living in the swamps of Africa today. Such as taradactayles and the herbavores. People have journeyed there and seen and heard stories about the dinasours that they see everyday. :banned:

 

[Null-Geodesic]

Really?

How old are you by the way? Work on the spelling a little will you.

 

[Aron-Ra]

I beleive that dinasours are living today and I also have a better theory. When the flood happened and noah was asked to bring two of every animal he did ,even the dinasours. People ask " how would that many huge dinasours fit on the arc?" God didnt say to get two of the biggest of every animal. Noah brang all the baby dinasours on the boat, a pair of every two. The reason That most of the dinasours got extinct is because people started hunting them. But there are still some living in the swamps of Africa today. Such as taradactayles and the herbavores. People have journeyed there and seen and heard stories about the dinasours that they see everyday. :banned:

The flood you're talking about occured in the 29th Century BCE, and was limited to the Tigris-Euphrates flood plain. Most dinosaurs had already been dead for tens of millions of years by then. Birds are the only dinosaurs surviving dinosaurs to be found anywhere. Mkele mbembe, the African sauropod you're talking about, was a myth. It does not exist.

 

[Tomk80]

From a dutch comedian named Herman Finkers:
"Noah's arc has been found in archeological digs in Turkey. The archeologists also found a cook book there. This book contained a large number of recipes of animals which are currently completely unknown. Archeologists have concluded from this that the animals eaten by man knowadays, actually don't taste good at all."

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

I bet the BBQ baby dinosaur ribs were good eatin'.

 

[Self Improvement]

Yes, the dinosaurs lived through the flood because they are very tall (God made them tall so that they would survive the flood, knowing that they were too big to go on Noah's ark).

Dinosaurs were taller than the highest mountain?

 

[Crispie]

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

God compares Behomoths tail to a giant Cedar Tree...yep just like Hippos, Hippos have humungous tails. Common man common sense.

 

[Ishmael Borg]

God compares Behomoths tail to a giant Cedar Tree...yep just like Hippos, Hippos have humungous tails. Common man common sense.

Dinosaurs were reptiles. Reptiles don't have navels. So between our two posts, we've eliminated hippos and dinosaurs as the source animal for the behemoth descriptions in the bible.