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Excuse me ma'am, but I think you've overlooked his point. By referring to a "male and his female", the text is clearly indicating that the animals are adult. They are paired. Pairing takes place amongst those animals that are sexually mature and ready to breed.
 
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Considering, in Genesis especially, women were created for men, saying "his female" does not even remotely begin to say "mature female"

I am not the one misquoting scripture but since it has been done lets clear the air: Genesis 6:19 New King James Version and Latin Vulgate. I cross referenced both and neither say anything close to maturity and not even "his" anything. Lets take a look:

"And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female." NKJV

"And of every living creature of all flesh, thou shalt bring two of a sort into the ark, that they may live with thee: Of the male sex, and the female." LV

As I said, I did not misrepresent scripture and it would be kind of everyone to not bear such untruths. Thanks in advance!
 
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Why were dinosaurs not allowed on the Ark?


Because they were long dead before the Ark was built, they died during the catastrophe that occurred before the creation of man.

And the earth "became" (hayah) desolate and waste, and darkness "became" (hayah).....

How can one let creatures that no longer existed onto the Ark? This is why no bones of man have never been found with them, because man did not yet exist.
 
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Excuse me mister, but I think you've overlooked the fact that the bible was not originally written in English. It is kind of silly to try to draw conclusions from the specific wording of an English version, since not even all of those agree.

But it is all clear when looking at the next chapter. Genesis 8:15-17 says:

So, unless we assume that the animals matured during the stay on the ark, they would have had to be mature from the start.
 
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You are correct, and give a great example evolution, as nostrils became part of the breathing apparatus for land animals, but not for modern fish. Pretty cool eh?

"Evidence" for evolution is no more supportive of
your fictional story than it is of my choice of story
involving device creation, awesome design and
stunning bio-engineering.
Pretty cool.
 
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That would be so cool to have toes like that.
Mine look more like they've been broken
and bound up since I was 5.

This picture suggests they've been kissing.
 
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That would be so cool to have toes like that.
Mine look more like they've been broken
and bound up since I was 5.

This picture suggests they've been kissing.

This picture suggests the men were giants. Note that the human "footprint" is almost 2 feet long. That'd make him a size 45 or so, I think. Good thing he went barefoot, getting shoes of that size would have been hard.
 
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Considering, in Genesis especially, women were created for men, saying "his female" does not even remotely begin to say "mature female"
This comment undermines your argument. Was Eve created as a baby or as a mature woman, ready for child-bearing?

Please show where I misquoted scripture. My verse was Genesis 7:2, not Genesis 6:19

Well, you certainly could have said that you were not referring to the verse I posted, you know, the one in the post that you quoted.

I find it interesting that you had to go to a different chapter of Genesis for your argument. My verse was not Genesis 6:19 Genesis 7:2.

If you want to play dueling translations we can but I don't think you will like the results.

New International Version
Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate,

New Living Translation
Take with you seven pairs--male and female--of each animal I have approved for eating and for sacrifice, and take one pair of each of the others.

English Standard Version
Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate,

New American Standard Bible
"You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;

King James Bible
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
You are to take with you seven pairs, a male and its female, of all the clean animals, and two of the animals that are not clean, a male and its female,

International Standard Version
You are to take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of the unclean animals, a male and its mate;

NET Bible
You must take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, the male and its mate, two of every kind of unclean animal, the male and its mate,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal (a male and a female of each) and one pair of every kind of unclean animal (a male and a female).

Jubilee Bible 2000
Of every clean animal thou shalt take to thee seven pairs, the male and his female; but of animals that are not clean, two, the male and his female.

King James 2000 Bible
Of every clean beast you shall take to you by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

American King James Version
Of every clean beast you shall take to you by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

American Standard Version
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee seven and seven, the male and his female; and of the beasts that are not clean two, the male and his female:

Douay-Rheims Bible
Of all clean beasts take seven and seven, the male and female.

Darby Bible Translation
Of all clean beasts thou shalt take to thee by sevens, a male and its female; but of the beasts that are not clean two, a male and its female.

English Revised Version
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee seven and seven, the male and his female; and of the beasts that are not clean two, the male and his female;

Webster's Bible Translation
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

World English Bible
You shall take seven pairs of every clean animal with you, the male and his female. Of the animals that are not clean, take two, the male and his female.

Young's Literal Translation
of all the clean beasts thou dost take to thee seven pairs, a male and its female; and of the beasts which are not clean two, a male and its female;

New King James Version
You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;

Looks like 17 out of 20 translations say either "his female" or "its female".
 
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Because they were long dead before the Ark was built, they died during the catastrophe that occurred before the creation of man.

And the earth "became" (hayah) desolate and waste, and darkness "became" (hayah).....
Your link says that hayah means "become" not "became". Hayah also means "to be" not just "become".

How can one let creatures that no longer existed onto the Ark? This is why no bones of man have never been found with them, because man did not yet exist.
Umm hmm. Tell us another one.
 
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That would be so cool to have toes like that.
Mine look more like they've been broken
and bound up since I was 5.

This picture suggests they've been kissing.
As Herman already pointed out, that footprint would have been made by a giant. In fact, if the ratio found in this abstract is reliable, the person making that imprint would have been almost 13 feet tall!
 
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Are you having trouble reading the verse I quoted? It clearly uses "male and his female" in reference to both clean and unclean animals. I don't understand how you missed it.

"and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

I stand corrected, you are right. It is for both clean and unclean. However, as another poster has pointed out, the phrase "the male and his female", in no way shape or form deduce the age or maturity.

False. You gave information that the earth had a (somewhat) higher O2 count hundreds of millions of years ago. The Flood, according to YECs like yourself, happened less than 5,000 years ago.

I guess I should have made myself clear. I believe that the atmosphere changed at the time of the flood. When the canopy was removed and the founts of the deep opened up. This changed the earths atmosphere and the large animals, like brontosaurus, were unable to adapt.

The link I posted was taken from an evolution based site that believes in millions of years etc. It shows scientific data that the atmosphere was, at one time, quite different. I did this so I would not get bantered for using a "creationist biased" site.

Sorry for confusing you.
 
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Say's you. I don't believe that this is the case. There is no absolute for your reasoning.
 
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I am not "falsifying mainstream science as a whole"

I stated that "Evolutionists have been faking, altering, hiding, dismissing, and ignoring data for years."

I was asked to give proof and I did.

People who want to believe otherwise are following a theory based on a lot of misinterpreted data and extrapolated by men and women that are not afraid to fake, alter, hide, dismiss, and ignore data."
 
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This changed the earths atmosphere and the large animals, like brontosaurus, were unable to adapt.

Why? The blue is easily the biggest animal that has ever been known to exist on this planet, bar none, and it does just fine. Also, animals like elephants and rhinos are much bigger than many dinosaurs and other animals that went extinct at the same time.
 
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This changed the earths atmosphere and the large animals, like brontosaurus, were unable to adapt.

Why? The blue whale is easily the biggest animal that has ever been known to exist on this planet, bar none, and it does just fine. Also, animals like elephants and rhinos are much bigger than many dinosaurs and other animals that went extinct at the same time.
 
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