Dinosaurs?

[Yggdrasil]

Ok, I have heard some christians do not believe in dinosaurs because it conflicts with the creation story or something to that nature and they think the countless fossils, bones and other hard evidence was either put there by Satan to decieve people (LOL) or put there by man himself.

So my question to those Christians who do not believe that they were real, how can you back this belief up when there is so much evidence stacked against you?

 

[Razorbuck]

I have never encountered or even heard of such a person, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were. Some folks will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous. Witness the theory of evolution!

As far as the fossil record, I believe the evidence that it was deposited by a global flood is far and away the strongest. (Yes, I am one of those people who believes the Bible literally concerning the Genesis flood.)

Peace to you,

Razorbuck

 

[Yggdrasil]

I have never encountered or even heard of such a person, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were. Some folks will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous. Witness the theory of evolution!

As far as the fossil record, I believe the evidence that it was deposited by a global flood is far and away the strongest. (Yes, I am one of those people who believes the Bible literally concerning the Genesis flood.)

Peace to you,

Razorbuck

How is evolution ridiculous?

 

[Boro Nut]

So my question to those Christians who do not believe that they were real, how can you back this belief up when there is so much evidence stacked against you?

I only wish it was stacked up against them. Unfortunately it's stacked up in museums. Not the sort of place they visit very often. You can tell by the number of posters who say "Hi I'm new here, and I'd like to find out all about evilution. Is it true I'm a monkey? I have very hairy arms. That's why I came here, instead of going to a credible source for mainstream science, or heaven forbid reading a book".

Boro Nut

 

[Razorbuck]

How is evolution ridiculous?

By nature. Get it?!! ROFL.......whew! I crack myself up!

Seriously though, (or as serious as I can bring myself to be in such a delightfully joyful, giddy moment as this) it cracks me up when people tell me with a straight face that BANG!!...nothing exploded and formed everything...it rained on the rocks for millions of years and made soup! Not just your garden variety Campbell's tomato or alphabet but SUPER SOUP that gave rise to primitive life!! All by itself!! (Oh, the naturalistic rapture!) Then through mutation and natural selection the little primitive guys got better and better and better for millions of years in teeny-weeny baby steps until...(drumroll)...Geraldo Rivera!!

And don't get me started on the chemical evolution of the elements!! My sides will split!

Okay...taking a few calming, cleansing breaths.....Aaaahhh! Much better.

Uuumm...what was the question again?

 

[Boro Nut]

it cracks me up when people tell me with a straight face that BANG!!...nothing exploded and formed everything...it rained on the rocks for millions of years and made soup.

Disregarding your own misrepresentation that mainstream science ever proposed that the simplest life forms sprang magically from only rocks and water, it amazes me that instead fundies propose that it was magically poofed into existence in vastly more complex forms from rocks alone. Especially given that we are composed mostly of water, and require only trace amounts of the elements found in rocks.

And don't get me started on the chemical evolution of the elements!! My sides will split.

I wonder that you don't apply for a Nobel prize for your amazing discovery that chemicals don't spontaneously react with each other.

Boro Nut

 

[Razorbuck]

Disregarding your own misrepresentation that mainstream science ever proposed that the simplest life forms sprang magically from only rocks and water, it amazes me that instead fundies propose that it was magically poofed into existence in vastly more complex forms from rocks alone. Especially given that we are composed mostly of water, and require only trace amounts of the elements found in rocks.



I wonder that you don't apply for a Nobel prize for your amazing discovery that chemicals don't spontaneously react with each other.

Boro Nut

Somebody didn't get their nap!

 

[Donkeytron]

Disregarding your own misrepresentation that mainstream science ever proposed that the simplest life forms sprang magically from only rocks and water, it amazes me that instead fundies propose that it was magically poofed into existence in vastly more complex forms from rocks alone. Especially given that we are composed mostly of water, and require only trace amounts of the elements found in rocks.

This is what I always wonder. Selective pressures acting on reproducing organisms with a limited amount of consumable resources makes sense to me. Talking donkeys and a global flood that leaves no trace of its happening? Nah.

 

[Razorbuck]

I'm feeling conviction about my last couple of posts, and I apologize for my sarcastic remarks. Not a very Christian response at all.

Mind you I really do believe that evolution is silly, but I should restrict myself to debating it in the proper forum, and in the proper spirit.

Sorry to any who may have been offended.

 

[Yggdrasil]

By nature. Get it?!! ROFL.......whew! I crack myself up!

Seriously though, (or as serious as I can bring myself to be in such a delightfully joyful, giddy moment as this) it cracks me up when people tell me with a straight face that BANG!!...nothing exploded and formed everything...it rained on the rocks for millions of years and made soup! Not just your garden variety Campbell's tomato or alphabet but SUPER SOUP that gave rise to primitive life!! All by itself!! (Oh, the naturalistic rapture!) Then through mutation and natural selection the little primitive guys got better and better and better for millions of years in teeny-weeny baby steps until...(drumroll)...Geraldo Rivera!!

And don't get me started on the chemical evolution of the elements!! My sides will split!

Okay...taking a few calming, cleansing breaths.....Aaaahhh! Much better.

Uuumm...what was the question again?

I can't really take you seriously if you act immature.

The big bang theory isn't even regarded as a fesable theory by evolutionists now a days, just to let you know. Creation theory is just as, if not more laughable than evolution. The thing is, evolution has hard evidence backing it up, while creation theory does not.

 

[LoG]

This is what I always wonder. Selective pressures acting on reproducing organisms with a limited amount of consumable resources makes sense to me. Talking donkeys and a global flood that leaves no trace of its happening? Nah.

Although I don't know what talking donkeys have to do with Creation or evolution, I do know there is an amazing amount of evidence for a global flood.

 

[Razorbuck]

I can't really take you seriously if you act immature.

Please see the apology in my previous post.

The big bang theory isn't even regarded as a fesable theory by evolutionists now a days, just to let you know. Creation theory is just as, if not more laughable than evolution. The thing is, evolution has hard evidence backing it up, while creation theory does not.

You really aren't supposed to be debating here. If you would like to take this to a more proper location and have a real debate, I would be more than happy to accomodate you.

Just let me know.

Razorbuck

 

[Yggdrasil]

Although I don't know what talking donkeys have to do with Creation or evolution, I do know there is an amazing amount of evidence for a global flood.

And what is this amazing amount of evidence.


Here's the thing. People back in the "days of Jesus" almost never when far away from their villiage or even their region. Now, put yourself in their shoes, based on your surroundings, you know very little about the outside world. Now, a HUGE flood comes in only YOUR region where you live. Due to the fact that your region is the "world" you know, don't you think people who knew how to write would write down that the "world flooded" due to the fact that they only knew of their villiage and little about the outside world?

 

[LoG]

Well, there are a lot of other civilizations that had similar stories of a major flood around the same time,
http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=ancienthistory&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dreamscape.com%2Fmorgana%2Ftitania.htm

Even though this site calls them myths, the fact that there is so many testimonies to it it makes one wonder.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Well, there are a lot of other civilizations that had similar stories of a major flood around the same time,
http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=ancienthistory&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dreamscape.com%2Fmorgana%2Ftitania.htm

You have to understand though, massive floods happen all the time through out history. I mean, look at New Orleans and look at the recent Tsunamis. Certainly if those happened back then, they would definetly think the world was flooded.

 

[shinbits]

Evolution has no explaination as to why the dinosaurs died out; only disputable theories.

A world-wide flood would be be able to kill off these giant creatures.

Dinosaurs help the validity of the Bible.

 

[LoG]

You have to understand though, massive floods happen all the time through out history. I mean, look at New Orleans and look at the recent Tsunamis. Certainly if those happened back then, they would definetly think the world was flooded.

But these were stories from people all around the world, not just a localized area. I'm sure there were other floods during the years but these weren't recorded in the same way. This one was catalysmic according to peoples all around the world.

 

[Donkeytron]

Although I don't know what talking donkeys have to do with Creation or evolution, I do know there is an amazing amount of evidence for a global flood.

Actually there isn't any. This was well established more than a century ago.

There is plenty of evidence for local floods that might have seemed cataclysmic to the stone age civilizations that passed them down orally over the centuries. My personal belief is that the black sea, which was originally a freshwater lake but joined in the ocean in what must have been a major flood, is probably the origin of the middle eastern flood myths.

 

[Donkeytron]

Evolution has no explaination as to why the dinosaurs died out; only disputable theories.

A world-wide flood would be be able to kill off these giant creatures.

Dinosaurs help the validity of the Bible.

A meteor impact killed the dinosaurs. It is well documented.

 

[shinbits]

There is plenty of evidence for local floods that might have seemed cataclysmic to the stone age civilizations that passed them down orally over the centuries. My personal belief is that the black sea, which was originally a freshwater lake but joined in the ocean in what must have been a major flood, is probably the origin of the middle eastern flood myths.

That's a good point.

The only thing is, that the Bible says that the highest mountain was covered in water by forty feet.

That's not just a semblance of something catastrophic, it actually is.