Dinosaurs

[Brain Damage]

We know they existed as we have their remains , but when did they exist ?...before the flood or after ?

I'm guessing that it was before the flood because they are no longer around.

Now i can understand Noah not wanting to bring on board a T-Rex for obvious reasons , so why did God bother to create them ?...

 

[Calminian]

We know they existed as we have their remains , but when did they exist ?...before the flood or after ?

I'm guessing that it was before the flood because they are no longer around.

Hey BD. If you take scripture literally, before and after. Behemoth was a creature described in Job chapter 40 after the flood. This was an animal of tremendous size that had a tail like a tree and ate grass like an ox. I personally believe that dinosaurs are really the dragons we here about in legends found all over the world. They're not around because men probably killed them off.

Now i can understand Noah not wanting to bring on board a T-Rex for obvious reasons , so why did God bother to create them ?...

I suppose Kodiak Bears weren't that desirable either. But the truth is a couple of young T-Rex wouldn't have been very big at all. In fact all dinosaurs even the biggest ones start out very small.

 

[tryptophan]

We know they existed as we have their remains , but when did they exist ?...before the flood or after ?

I'm guessing that it was before the flood because they are no longer around.

Now i can understand Noah not wanting to bring on board a T-Rex for obvious reasons , so why did God bother to create them ?...

Is it okay if those of us who don't believe in a literal flood weigh in?

 

[Brain Damage]

Is it okay if those of us who don't believe in a literal flood weigh in?

Yeah go ahead , i'd be interested to know why you think there may not have been a flood , never heard of that before , this could be interesting!...

 

[Brain Damage]

Hey BD. If you take scripture literally, before and after. Behemoth was a creature described in Job chapter 40 after the flood. This was an animal of tremendous size that had a tail like a tree and ate grass like an ox. I personally believe that dinosaurs are really the dragons we here about in legends found all over the world. They're not around because men probably killed them off

I read Job 40 and can't see it being a T-Rex , it ate grass like an ox.

I suppose Kodiak Bears weren't that desirable either. But the truth is a couple of young T-Rex wouldn't have been very big at all. In fact all dinosaurs even the biggest ones start out very small.

I can see your point and yeah i can go along with that...

 

[PaladinValer]

The Flood story is based on the more ancient Epic of Gilgamesh. It is a myth, though as a myth it teaches moral and religious truth.

Dinosaurs went extinct ~65 million years ago; their direct descendents is theorized to be birds, although all other still-living reptiles are in fact and sense far-off distant cousins of them.

 

[Calminian]

I read Job 40 and can't see it being a T-Rex , it ate grass like an ox.

Behemoth was a large animal with a tree-like tail that is now extinct. If it was a dinosaur it was probably some kind of sauropod like a Brachiosaur.
Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?

And the Bible is not alone in describing these large reptilian ancient animals. Practically every culture on earth has dragon legends. I'm convinced these were actually real living dinosaurs.

 

[gluadys]

Yeah go ahead , i'd be interested to know why you think there may not have been a flood , never heard of that before , this could be interesting!...

Are you serious? You never heard of that before? Try this

 

[imind]

I'm convinced these were actually real living dinosaurs.

and what, exactly, are you basing this on? it is clear that man did not exist until well after the dinosaurs became extinct.

 

[notto]

Behemoth was a large animal with a tree-like tail that is now extinct. If it was a dinosaur it was probably some kind of sauropod like a Brachiosaur.
Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?

And the Bible is not alone in describing these large reptilian ancient animals. Practically every culture on earth has dragon legends. I'm convinced these were actually real living dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs didn't have navels or 'stones'. The description is most likely a hippo which are found in the Jordan (along with crocodiles). They eat grass, they sit in the water with only their eyes exposed, and they have a large 'tail' which may be a euphamism that fits nicely with the other euphamism of 'stones'.

Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about. 23

Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 24

He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

 

[PaladinValer]

Hippo=Behemoth
Crocodile=Leviathan

Just as Notto said.

 

[bdfoster]

I don't know what Behemoth and Leviathan refer to. They may be hippo and crocodile, or they may refer to some other creature living or extinct. But if you are looking for extinct animals to fit the description, why would you even consider something for which no remains have ever been found in any rocks above the Cretaceous? There is an abundant fossil record of dinosaurs throughout the Mezozoic, and yet none whatsoever are found above that. A somewhat less abundant fossil record of homanids occurs in rocks of the upper Tertiary. None whatsoever in rocks below that. It's clear from the stratigraphic record, which has been meticulously documented over the past 200 years, that neither dinosours nor humans existed throughout most of the tertiary. Even if you don't accept the standard time scale based on radiometric ages, it's clear from stratigraphy that dinosours and humans did not co-exist. When dinosaurs were on this earth they were the dominant large animal, with herds of giant grazers, marauding packs of T-Rex, and huge flying reptilian beasts. If dinosaurs were around at the time of Job there would be a lot more in ancient literature than just the an obscure reference in Job and some dragon legends.

Brent

 

[notto]

On a related note, Dragon legends often have dragons with four feet AND wings (6 appendages in all). They also breathed fire and had magical powers, a taste for damsels, and lairs in caves.

I don't think this matches well with anything we know about dinosaurs. It could certainly correspond with stories made up on the spot by people who stumbled across dinosaur fossils in the past. Why so many dragon stories in China? Because there are lots of dinosaur fossils in China.

 

[tryptophan]

On a related note, Dragon legends often have dragons with four feet AND wings (6 appendages in all). They also breathed fire and had magical powers, a taste for damsels, and lairs in caves.

I don't think this matches well with anything we know about dinosaurs. It could certainly correspond with stories made up on the spot by people who stumbled across dinosaur fossils in the past. Why so many dragon stories in China? Because there are lots of dinosaur fossils in China.

There was a dinosaur in Jurassic Park that spit acid. And wasn't that a peer reviewed movie?

 

[PaladinValer]

Some breathed ice too, like silver or white dragons. Red and gold dragons breathed fire.

Plus there are others too, like the mercury dragon, which breathed searing beams of light

 

[Brain Damage]

Are you serious? You never heard of that before? Try this

Thanks but i would prefer to stay within the bible story...

 

[gluadys]

Thanks but i would prefer to stay within the bible story...

As long as you understand that it is a story. It never happened in history.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Red and gold dragons breathed fire.

Yes, I know I need to mouthwash more often.

 

[Calminian]

On a related note, Dragon legends often have dragons with four feet AND wings (6 appendages in all). They also breathed fire and had magical powers, a taste for damsels, and lairs in caves.

Of course. Legends often add these kinds of embellishments to the real thing. Pegasus and Unicorns were magical horses. That doesn't mean horses did not exists, it just means the stories were embellished.

I think it's also interesting that we have amazingly magical animals today. If the Electric Eel were not around today but written about in legends no one would believe in them. Or what if we were read in legends of a fire emitting beetle? The amazing bombardier beetle Who knows what amazing features some dinosaurs may have had.

I don't think this matches well with anything we know about dinosaurs. It could certainly correspond with stories made up on the spot by people who stumbled across dinosaur fossils in the past. Why so many dragon stories in China? Because there are lots of dinosaur fossils in China.

And Do we have any historical evidence that the chinese were discovering dragon fossils left and right? Seems more likely there are lots of dragon legends from China because there were a lot of dinosaurs in China.

 

[notto]

Of course. Legends often add these kinds of embellishments to the real thing. Pegasus and Unicorns were magical horses. That doesn't mean horses did not exists, it just means the stories were embellished.

No, Pegasus had wings and unicorns had a horn. They were not just majical horses, they were physically different than any known horse - just like dragons are physically different than any known dinosaur. They were mythical creatures.

I think it's also interesting that we have amazingly magical animals today. If the Electric Eel were not around today but written about in legends no one would believe in them. Or what if we were read in legends of a fire emitting beetle? The amazing bombardier beetle Who knows what amazing features some dinosaurs may have had.

Fire emitting beetle? Not quite. Nice try though.

And Do we have any historical evidence that the chinese were discovering dragon fossils left and right? Seems more likely there are lots of dragon legends from China because there were a lot of dinosaurs in China.

It seems interesting that will all of the mythology about dragons and hunting them and what not, that not one bold hunter ever saved a bone, skin, skull, etc of a dinosaur when they did this for all of the other things they hunted. They made clothing, jewelry, trophies, etc. out of parts of all the other animals they hunted, yet never once made one out of a 'dragon' or dinosaur they killed or found dead.

There is no physical evidence that man ever lived with dinosaurs.