Dinosaurs would still be here.

dlamberth · Dec 17, 2024

I just watched as short clip of Neil deGrasse Tyson that put things into a different perspective for me.

"Dinosaurs were around for 200 million years before the asteroid struck. And it's only been 65 million years since. So given that fact it's likely that if the asteroid did not strike, they would still be here and we wouldn't"

Warden_of_the_Storm · Dec 17, 2024

I mean... eh, it's one of those odds things. We don't fully know if the climate would have shifted to allow dinosaurs to continue as a population or not.

Plus, even by the time of the KT extinction, dinosaurs were on the way out as it was. There was a massive imbalance of the carnivores and herbivores with the former being much more prevalent than the latter, and obviously with the loss of prey species, the predators would have followed anyway. Plus, you had major volcanic activity that was causing climate change not just on the land but in the oceans, and when the oceans go, then the land follows too.

This article, even though it's from 2023, does a good job at summarizing it. The asteroid was just a coup de grace.

It would have been a much slower death and a much later appearance of mammals, but the dinosaurs were going to go anyway.

Chesterton · Dec 17, 2024

Dinosaurs are still here, but thanks to the confusion of taxonomy, we just don't call them dinosaurs. I had three interactions with dinosaurs today. One flew over my car and pooped on it. In an act of revenge, I went to McDonald's and ate a spicy McChicken sandwich. In a further act of retaliation, an alligator attempted to eat me. I don't know what I'm going to do next, but I didn't start this war.

But seriously, why did Mr. Tyson say we wouldn't be here?

RileyG · Dec 17, 2024

Chesterton said:
Dinosaurs are still here, but thanks to the confusion of taxonomy, we just don't call them dinosaurs. I had three interactions with dinosaurs today. One flew over my car and pooped on it. In an act of revenge, I went to McDonald's and ate a spicy McChicken sandwich. In a further act of retaliation, an alligator attempted to eat me. I don't know what I'm going to do next, but I didn't start this war.

But seriously, why did Mr. Tyson say we wouldn't be here?

...as an Orthodox Christian, you believe in evolution? Not to go off topic...

RileyG · Dec 17, 2024

dlamberth said:
I just watched as short clip of Neil deGrasse Tyson that put things into a different perspective for me.

"Dinosaurs were around for 200 million years before the asteroid struck. And it's only been 65 million years since. So given that fact it's likely that if the asteroid did not strike, they would still be here and we wouldn't"

Hmmmm....that's fairly interesting and rather scary, but I think, from a Christian perspective, it was Gods' providence the (majority) of dinosaurs were wiped out and now humans rule the world.

I know Neil deGrasse Tyson is an atheist, and rejects Christianity. I still respect him though.

Chesterton · Dec 17, 2024

RileyG said:
...as an Orthodox Christian, you believe in evolution? Not to go off topic...

I didn't say anything about evolution.

BCP1928 · Dec 17, 2024

Chesterton said:
Dinosaurs are still here, but thanks to the confusion of taxonomy, we just don't call them dinosaurs. I had three interactions with dinosaurs today. One flew over my car and pooped on it. In an act of revenge, I went to McDonald's and ate a spicy McChicken sandwich. In a further act of retaliation, an alligator attempted to eat me. I don't know what I'm going to do next, but I didn't start this war.

But seriously, why did Mr. Tyson say we wouldn't be here?

He should have just said we just might not be mammals.

RileyG · Dec 17, 2024

Chesterton said:
I didn't say anything about evolution.

Ok! Disregard! Nice post though! A spicy chicken sandwich does sound great

RileyG · Dec 17, 2024

BCP1928 said:
He should have just said we just might not be mammals.

So WE might be something else? I'm a little confused.

Ivan Hlavanda · Dec 17, 2024

It is worrying that more and more Christians trust humans over the Word of God

Warden_of_the_Storm · Dec 17, 2024

Ivan Hlavanda said:
It is worrying that more and more Christians trust humans over the Word of God

Many of us trust the word of God for spiritual matters, but the Word of God is not very useful for matters of history or science.

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2024

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Many of us trust the word of God for spiritual matters, but the Word of God is not very useful for matters of history or science.

Is Israel the Promised Land?

Warden_of_the_Storm · Dec 17, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Is Israel the Promised Land?

And that has anything to do with dinosaurs because...?

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2024

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
And that has anything to do with dinosaurs because...?

Ya ... let's get back to dinosaurs.

BCP1928 · Dec 17, 2024

RileyG said:
So WE might be something else? I'm a little confused.

From God's point of view all we need to be are creatures with enough self-aware intelligence to be able to consider the consequences of our acts and contemplate our own mortality. There is no necessity for those characteristics to have appeared among the mammalia rather than some other evolutionary line.

RileyG · Dec 17, 2024

BCP1928 said:
From God's point of view all we need to be are creatures with enough self-aware intelligence to be able to consider the consequences of our acts and contemplate our own mortality. There is no necessity for those characteristics to have appeared among the mammalia rather than some other evolutionary line.

Thanks for the response.

RileyG · Dec 17, 2024

AV1611VET said:
Ya ... let's get back to dinosaurs.

Do you believe in YEC AND Dinosaurs? Just curious?

AV1611VET · Dec 17, 2024

RileyG said:
Do you believe in YEC AND Dinosaurs? Just curious?

I'm not a YEC per se.

That is, I don't believe the earth and universe are only 6000 years old.

But I do believe that, no matter how old they are, they have only been in existence for 6000 years.

In other words, they came into existence old.

As for dinosaurs on the Ark, yes, I believe they were on the Ark.

Ivan Hlavanda · Dec 18, 2024

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Many of us trust the word of God for spiritual matters, but the Word of God is not very useful for matters of history or science.

So you are just chosing what you trust in the Bible and what you do not...that is very foolish, because the Word of God is truth, and He cannot lie. So either trust it fully or don't.

So when God says He created everything in 6 days, then He created everything in 6 days and don't matter what everyone else says.

Scientists and historians get things wrong all the time, the Creator doesn't.

RileyG · Dec 18, 2024

AV1611VET said:
I'm not a YEC per se.

That is, I don't believe the earth and universe are only 6000 years old.

But I do believe that, no matter how old they are, they have only been in existence for 6000 years.

In other words, they came into existence old.

As for dinosaurs on the Ark, yes, I believe they were on the Ark.

Thanks for the response!

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