Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

[sjastro]

Just how would Noah's Ark have been preserved in the first place for its remains to be found?
Examples of wood that have survived thousand of years represent the extreme of environments.

The funeral barge of the pharaoh Khufu dated around 2500 BC survived because it was buried in a sandpit in a hot dessicated environment.
At the other extreme is bronze age timber circa 1000 BC found buried in very wet soil where oxygen levels are low resulting in limited biological deterioration caused by bacteria and fungi.
Then there is bogwood preserved in peat bogs by acidic conditions and a complete lack of oxygen or petrified wood where wood has become fossilized while underground.

It would seem that Noah's Ark does not fit any of these conditions in order to have been preserved.

 

[AV1611VET]

It would seem that Noah's Ark does not fit any of these conditions in order to have been preserved.

Just to play DA here for a moment, doesn't it seem strange arguing about whether a vessel did rot away over time, when said vessel survived a global flood?

 

[sjastro]

Just to play DA here for a moment, doesn't it seem strange arguing about whether a vessel did rot away over time, when said vessel survived a global flood?

This doesn't make any sense.
Assuming there was an Ark which survived a "global flood" it doesn't address the issue how it survived the aftermath in conditions which do not support its long term preservation.

 

[HitchSlap]

Just to play DA here for a moment, doesn't it seem strange arguing about whether a vessel did rot away over time, when said vessel survived a global flood?

What about a wooden boat makes it impervious to 4,000 years of the elements?

 

[Astrid]

This doesn't make any sense.
Assuming there was an Ark which survived a "global flood" it doesn't address the issue how it survived the aftermath in conditions which do not support its long term preservation.

Inside a glacier....
If you could get it in there, it would be
shredded.
I remember a glacier in Alaska, that you
can walk up to it.

I broke out some pieces to eat!

I was so interested in how it was not really solid but
was like all these sort of smooth interlocking
pieces only a few inches long.

I also learned that different parts of the glacier
move at different speeds.
300 meters long boat.
Hmm.

 

[Astrid]

What about a wooden boat makes it impervious to 4,000 years of the elements?

Gopher wood

 

[AV1611VET]

This doesn't make any sense.
Assuming there was an Ark which survived a "global flood" it doesn't address the issue how it survived the aftermath in conditions which do not support its long term preservation.

Okay. Sounds good.

 

[AV1611VET]

What about a wooden boat makes it impervious to 4,000 years of the elements?

Got it.

 

[AV1611VET]

300 meters long boat.

Ark.

It was an ark, not a boat.

And it was 300 cubits -- not 300 meters.

 

[AV1611VET]

Gopher wood

More like God's preservation.

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Daniel 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

And QV this principle:

Psalm 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

 

[Hans Blaster]

More like God's preservation.

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Daniel 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

And QV this principle:

Psalm 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

Or was it the teriyaki sauce.

Sun Goes Down in Flames: The Jammal Ark Hoax

 

[Carl Emerson]

Just how would Noah's Ark have been preserved in the first place for its remains to be found?
Examples of wood that have survived thousand of years represent the extreme of environments.

The funeral barge of the pharaoh Khufu dated around 2500 BC survived because it was buried in a sandpit in a hot dessicated environment.
At the other extreme is bronze age timber circa 1000 BC found buried in very wet soil where oxygen levels are low resulting in limited biological deterioration caused by bacteria and fungi.
Then there is bogwood preserved in peat bogs by acidic conditions and a complete lack of oxygen or petrified wood where wood has become fossilized while underground.

It would seem that Noah's Ark does not fit any of these conditions in order to have been preserved.

At 14K+ feet below freezing point in ice ??

It is not uncommon to find perfectly preserved bodies in these conditions.

 

[HitchSlap]

At 14K+ feet below freezing point in ice ??

It is not uncommon to find perfectly preserved bodies in these conditions.

Nonsense. I’ve climbed many 14’ers during summer months, and it’s very hot with full exposure. Maybe above 24k ft elev. but not 14k.

 

[dlamberth]

Nonsense. I’ve climbed many 14’ers during summer months, and it’s very hot with full exposure. Maybe above 24k ft elev. but not 14k.

I think it's location. I've climbed Mt. Hood and Mt Adams several times. They're 12K and 11K, lots shorter than the 14K of your experience. And it's always been pretty cold on their summits.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Nonsense. I’ve climbed many 14’ers during summer months, and it’s very hot with full exposure. Maybe above 24k ft elev. but not 14k.

On Ararat the Ice level is very rarely above 14K.

Britannica says "The snowline varies with the season, retreating to 14,000 feet above sea level by the end of the summer.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I have better things to do with my time on earth.

Worry not... there is very little chance that you will tell...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmmm have you actually watch the vid many christians can refute this.

They really can't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just to play DA here for a moment, doesn't it seem strange arguing about whether a vessel did rot away over time, when said vessel survived a global flood?

That is true. The inability to find the Ark is the weakest argument against that myth. Ice floats is perhaps the shortest refutation of the Ark.

And of course one of my personal favorites, only because creationists can never understand it even though it is true:

The fact that waking up in cheap hotel room in an ice filled bathtub missing a kidney is an urban myth refutes the Ark story.

 

[Phred]

So unless you see Jesus' footprints on the sea of Galilee, you're going to deny the sea of Galilee exists?

Claiming that Jesus walked on water because the sea of Galilee is real is like saying James Bond is real because London exists.

A story can take place in a real place and yet the story is false. And that can be for any number of reasons from the story being false to begin with, the translation being incorrect - Jesus walked NEAR the water on ON the water. The list is long. Not to mention that the Council of Nicaea eliminated any of the Gospels that didn't make Jesus sound like a God. Go read the Gospel of Timothy. Jesus is flitting around Joseph's workshop like a little fairy lengthening boards that Joseph cut too short. But for some reason you only believe those books that are contained in the current cannon. Why is that? Only THOSE Gospels told the true story and the rest are false? Why aren't they ALL false? Or all true?

Without evidence none of it is real. They're just stories told by the religious to bolster their claims to be the ONE TRUE RELIGION.

 

[AV1611VET]

Without evidence none of it is real. They're just stories told by the religious to bolster their claims to be the ONE TRUE RELIGION.

Quit stalling and get out there on the sea and look for those footprints!

And if you don't find any, I'm still going to believe He walked there.

I'm not bound to evidence (or the lack thereof) like you are.