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Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

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No, the "scientists" this time made a mistake.
Ohhhh, I see.

Glad you caught it! ;)

Maybe they should have peer-reviewed their work first?

Oh well. I'm sure they're print a retraction somewhere.
 
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Please don't act innocent. I think you know what I mean by missing links.If they aren't missing, then produce them.

Otherwise evolution is just a game of connect-the-dots.

Remember this thread?

My Daisy Chain Challenge

You were the first one to reply to it.
Yes, and it was refuted just that quickly. I know what you mean by missing links. They are not "holes" in the theory of evolution. You have only claimed that they are.

So once again, how are missing links holes in the theory of evolution? At best you do not know what a hole in a theory is.
 
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Ohhhh, I see.

Glad you caught it! ;)

Maybe they should have peer-reviewed their work first?

Oh well. I'm sure they're print a retraction somewhere.
Nope. You are still missing the obvious. Here is a hint, they collected their samples from the wrong place.
 
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Nope. You are still missing the obvious. Here is a hint, they collected their samples from the wrong place.
Then you test it.

Go to the right place and procure a wafer and test it yourself.

Until then, I'll take their word over yours.
 
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The more you look in the "scientific" study of the past, the more mistakes you will find were made and the more you will find that a lot of what is considered proven really is still up for debate by the scientists themselves.
Science isn't facts, science is theories and the farther back you go the more room you have for human error. Truth is a good part of what we knew about American history when I was a kid was flat out wrong. But you go ahead and believe they are right about what happened billions of years ago. Go ahead and take it on pure faith.
You are complaining about science being self-correcting dependent on evidence from experiments, observations and predictions. There are five major religions each with multiple denominations and each with multiple contradicting interpretations of their authoritative texts. They all can't be correct and none have evidence that can be observed or predictions that can be validated. In fact religious belief is synonymous with faith. So when you try to denigrate science by comparing it to faith you should think about how much you are devaluing the value of your own faith.
 
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I already pointed out a whole bunch of problems with "Lucy" if you care to go back and read them.
Okay, so Lucy. Why is she a hole in the theory that allele frequency in population changes over time?
 
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Then you test it.

Go to the right place and procure a wafer and test it yourself.

Until then, I'll take their word over yours.
It is not my claim. Why would I test it? I am merely pointing out that their experiment was poorly conceived.

Since you cannot or refuse to see the obvious let me explain it to you. The Catholics can claim that the change occurs after you eat it.

By the way, you should accept that dogma too by your own rules regarding the Bible.
 
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I already pointed out a whole bunch of problems with "Lucy" if you care to go back and read them.
No, you only posted unsubstantiated claims. Some of them were not "holes" at all. Such as your claim that she was a he. That was a distinction without a difference. Male or female Lucy is strong evidence for human evolution.
 
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Are you saying SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE, are you? ;)
Not at all. You are the one that should be saying "Science can take a hike" when the DNA of the eucharist did not change. Once again, I am applying your standards to the claim, not mine.
 
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Well, if you truly accepted the vast amount of evidence that exists, understood how evolution happens, and understood how the Theory of Evolution (along with numerous theories from other scientific disciplines) explains it all, then you wouldn't be a creationist.
Lol, "If you just understood, you would agree with me.," That's not even a valid argument.
I can literally apply it to any topic. "If you just understood what I did, you would believe that the earth is flat." I get this exact same statement from flat earthers. You believe what you are told. You didn't do all the legwork, or experiments. No one person could. You take the theory on faith because you have to in order to agree with it.
 
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You are complaining about science being self-correcting dependent on evidence from experiments, observations and predictions. There are five major religions each with multiple denominations and each with multiple contradicting interpretations of their authoritative texts. They all can't be correct and none have evidence that can be observed or predictions that can be validated. In fact religious belief is synonymous with faith. So when you try to denigrate science by comparing it to faith you should think about how much you are devaluing the value of your own faith.
No, because I agree " religion" must be taken on faith. You pretend you don't have to take the vast majority of the study of the past on faith. I don't pretend I can prove everything I believe. That's why it's a belief. You believe your books by fallible men, and that's fine. But don't tell me that they are facts.
 
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Lol, "If you just understood, you would agree with me.," That's not even a valid argument.
I can literally apply it to any topic. "If you just understood what I did, you would believe that the earth is flat." I get this exact same statement from flat earthers. You believe what you are told. You didn't do all the legwork, or experiments. No one person could. You take the theory on faith because you have to in order to agree with it.
There is a huge difference. Evolution is supported by the evidence. Creationists cannot seem to find any for their beliefs. The evidence refutes the Flat Earth. By the way, this is why I offer to go over the concept of evidence with you. You went there part way, but you cannot drop your prejudices. Lucy is strong evidence for human evolution. Your failed claims did not refute that. Heck, you could not even support your claims properly and demanded that others do your homework for you.
 
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No, because I agree " religion" must be taken on faith. You pretend you don't have to take the vast majority of the study of the past on faith. I don't pretend I can prove everything I believe. That's why it's a belief. You believe your books by fallible men, and that's fine. But don't tell me that they are facts.
Your faith appears to be based upon fallible men as well. We don't need faith. It is not a pathway to the truth since a Muslim has the same faith that you have. As does a Hindu, a Sikh, a Bahai.

In the sciences faith is not allowed. Only evidence is accepted. By the way, when you claim that the study of the past is taken on faith you need to be able to support that claim.

Do you think that you can do it? What is taken on faith in the sciences?
 
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No, you only posted unsubstantiated claims. Some of them were not "holes" at all. Such as your claim that she was a he. That was a distinction without a difference. Male or female Lucy is strong evidence for human evolution.
There's no evidence that "she's" a human ancestor at all. You could not have come to the conclusion it makes no difference if you had understood what I wrote. Do you even remember that they claimed the males were basically human and the females were still swinging in trees? No, because you didn't actually read what I wrote.
 
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Your faith appears to be based upon fallible men as well. We don't need faith. It is not a pathway to the truth since a Muslim has the same faith that you have. As does a Hindu, a Sikh, a Bahai.
Um, no, they believe something very different.
 
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There's no evidence that "she's" a human ancestor at all. You could not have come to the conclusion it makes no difference if you had understood what wrote. Do you even remember that they claimed the males were basically human and the females were still swinging in trees? No, because you didn't actually read what I wrote.

And you fail to understand fossil evidence. She does not have to be a human ancestor to be evidence for human evolution. Let's say that you do not have any DNA from your father that you can test. But you do have DNA from his sister. That DNA would be evidence for your descent from your father even though she is not an "ancestor".

And where did they ever claim that male Asutralopithecenes were human and females were not? Citation needed. That means you need to find an article and link it. If you do not I will accept your failure as an admission that you are wrong.
 
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The evidence refutes the Flat Earth.
I can say the same about evolution. And all your proof is just hearsay. You read it online or in a book and believe it. Some teacher explained it to you and you said "oh that makes sense". ... that's not proof.
 
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I can say the same about evolution. And all your proof is just hearsay. You read it online or in a book and believe it. Some teacher explained it to you and you said "oh that makes sense". ... that's not proof.
But that would be a falsehood if you did. Why would you do that? At best all that you can demonstrate is that you do not understand the evidence.

By the way, you really should avoid terms like "proof" when talking about the sciences. Science is closely associated with math which has a specific definition of proof. And as you already know by the much weaker legal standard the theory of evolution has been proven. That is why they constantly win lawsuits against creationists. Judges have to be experts on evidence as well. They can see which side is being honest and which one is not.
 
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And you fail to understand fossil evidence. She does not have to be a human ancestor to be evidence for human evolution.
She has to be a relation. If she's just an extinct primate, what have they got?
Look up " Australopithecus afarenisis: two sexes or two species" by Adrienne Zihlman.
 
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