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Thanks for the QED.Why would the salinity of oceans be the way to guess the age of a planet? How much ocean salinity does Mars or Venus have? I guess none. Their age is therefore 0?
Ocean salinity is an old creationist claim which a) was refuted years ago and b) gives an age older than YECs are comfortable with anyway.I thought I gave two good examples: ocean salinity and the earth's magnetosphere.
Do they suggest the earth is around 6 to 10 thousand years old?I thought I gave two good examples: ocean salinity and the earth's magnetosphere.
How is it he figured out scientists would deny over some 60 different ways to date the earth, and only accept the methods that give them the numbers they are expecting?Your pastor’s not a very smart guy.
If you "figure out" a method to calculate the perimeter of a circle that does not give the right numbers, then.... its not really a valid method, right?How is it he figured out scientists would deny over some 60 different ways to date the earth, and only accept the methods that give them the numbers they are expecting?
I'm not going to get into this with anyone.Do they suggest the earth is around 6 to 10 thousand years old?
A common young-Earth creationist (YEC) argument for an Earth that is only 6000 or so years old is the “salty seawater” argument. The salty seawater argument, in its simplest form, states that one should be able to determine a maximum age for the oceans by measuring the rate at which various salts—such as the sodium in sodium chloride; and other metal ions—are entering the oceans and the rate at which they are being removed from the oceans, such as through sea spray, and calculating backwards to a time when there would have been no salt in the ocean.
I'm comfortable with the earth being billions of years old physically.
But what I won't accept is any explanation that the earth has been in existence beyond 4004 BC.
Questioning me isn't going to get you anywhere.If you "figure out" a method to calculate the perimeter of a circle that does not give the right numbers, then.... its not really a valid method, right?
Just take my word for it.
Why?Just take my word for it.
I'm not a YEC.
I believe God created the universe with age embedded in it.
For lack of a better term, I call it Embedded Age Creation; and I define it as "maturity without history."
Look at it this way:
Can God create a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age?
Adam Clarke says it best:Why?
Maturity without history.It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect as it respects its nature, but also in a state of maturity, so that every vegetable production appeared at once in full growth; and this was necessary that man, when he came into being, might find every thing ready for his use.
Scars from battles that never happened is called Omphalism, which would be deceptive.myst33 said:I mean, if God wanted to have a full grown Earth with all its history of the growth, why would He not just let it grow naturally? Why the impatience - creating it immediatelly with scars from battles that never happened?
Yes. God could have even created the universe in one gigasecond; but I believe He "dragged it out" over a six-day period so as to create a template for the workweek as stipulated in one of the Ten Commandments.myst33 said:Is not patience a virtue? (Speaking like a human, God is not in our timeline, anyway, so for Him, billions of years is no waiting).
There is no such thing. Maturity is having a history.Maturity without history.
No creation is perfect, only God is perfect.It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect...
Is it not what you are proposing? So many historical layers of billions of years and evolution all around us, on our planet, in our genes, in the universe around us. And you said it just appears to be so.Scars from battles that never happened is called Omphalism, which would be deceptive.Yes.
Would not it be more effective to let the nature do its natural thing and create a dramatical text allegory putting the world's creation into 6 symbolic days so that ancient people could relate to its symbolism?God could have even created the universe in one gigasecond; but I believe He "dragged it out" over a six-day period so as to create a template for the workweek as stipulated in one of the Ten Commandments.
Okay, chief. Have a nice day.There is no such things. Maturity is having history.
pssst... your pastor's not a scientist and he's too dumb to know what science is. This is known as the Dunning - Krueger effect. He's not aware enough to know what he doesn't know, and what he thinks he knows, he doesn't understand. This is what religion does to a person; it allows them to have the "Truth" without an education.How is it he figured out scientists would deny over some 60 different ways to date the earth, and only accept the methods that give them the numbers they are expecting?
I see.pssst... your pastor's not a scientist and he's too dumb to know what science is. This is known as the Dunning - Krueger effect. He's not aware enough to know what he doesn't know, and what he thinks he knows, he doesn't understand. This is what religion does to a person; it allows them to have the "Truth" without an education.
If you just make up 60 different numbers to suit your religious dogma, and then scientists demonstrate those numbers are wrong using real evidence, data, research, then it's not hard to figure out "scientists would deny ...".How is it he figured out scientists would deny over some 60 different ways to date the earth, and only accept the methods that give them the numbers they are expecting?
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