Dinosaurs on the Ark: How It Was Possible

[renniks]

If you continue to get your (mis)information from apologetic sites you will remain uninformed and continue to spread unreliable information.

I didn't get it from any site. I got it from scientists who write books.

 

[renniks]

If you continue to get your (mis)information from apologetic sites you will remain uninformed and continue to spread unreliable information.

Use a reliable educational science site for a change.

The Nature Education
The Knowledge Project

Here is what you can discover and learn about Lucy:

Why is Lucy is so special
"Lucy" is the nickname of one of the most well-known human ancestor fossils.
How do we know that all of those fossilized bones belong to Lucy's skeleton?
How do we know Lucy was a female?
Could Lucy's skeleton be small because she was a child when she died?
How do scientists know the species to which Lucy belongs?
Do scientists know what Lucy looked like when she was alive?
Why is Lucy so famous?
Is Lucy the "missing link" between apes and humans?

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And I thought they didn't use the term "missing link."? Hmmm...

 

[HitchSlap]

I didn't get it from any site. I got it from scientists who write books.

I disagree with you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here is what you can discover and learn about Lucy:

That she died during hip replacement surgery?

 

[VirOptimus]

That's why I said "made", not "make."

I figured some educatee would accuse me of that.You too.

Is it so hard to accept the fact that you are an ape?

 

[VirOptimus]

Humans are made in God's image. Apes are just animals.

Humans are animals, also apes, by definition.

 

[VirOptimus]

-snip-

Humans are hominids not apes. -snip/

Humans are apes and hominids.


Humans are apes – ‘Great Apes’

 

[renniks]

Not by God's definition.

 

[VirOptimus]

Not by God's definition.

As god is very much not doing any classification that may be true, something that doesnt exist also do no classification.

But here in reality humans are apes by definition.

 

[HitchSlap]

Not by God's definition.

God didn't have access to molecular genetics, so he was out of the loop.

 

[renniks]

God didn't have access to molecular genetics, so he was out of the loop.

God invented genetics.

 

[renniks]

As god is very much not doing any classification that may be true, something that doesnt exist also do no classification.

But here in reality humans are apes by definition.

Here in reality? I thought you were a Christian.

And God classified humans as entirely different than animals. He named the first humans. He breathed life into them. He gave us dominion over the animals. So how can we be animals?

 

[HitchSlap]

God invented genetics.

Sure he did.

 

[coffee4u]

The Hebrew word translated as "circle" refers to a flat round plane. Hebrew has a word that means "ball" or "sphere", but it's not the word Isaiah uses.

Perhaps the Prophet Isaiah did know the earth was round, but that's still not the word that gets used here. It's a safe bet that the ancient Israelites held to roughly the same view of the shape of the world as their neighbors. As there's no reason to believe that they had access to any information or knowledge that other ancient near-eastern societies had at the time.

Let's not engage in wild speculation here, which is what often happens in these sorts of conversations. By wild speculation I mean attempts to argue from pure imagination, such as arguing that the Israelites would have known the actual shape of the world because God told them.

In Christianity we do believe in specific revelation from God, but such revelation is declarative, it is declared somewhere. We could just as easily speculate that God gave the Israelites all manner of advanced knowledge, but that it became lost. We simply have no reason to believe this.

Rather, God was at work within ancient near-eastern bronze age peoples, and those people had their own language, culture, and also views about the world around them. Understanding their world, their language, their views is essential to the task of hermeneutics and biblical exegesis. The alternative is a total butchering of Scripture in order to ensure our pre-selected conclusions come out the way we want. In which case we might as well have the Bible say anything we want it to say.

If the Bible is truly a faithful record of God's engagement with the world in the history of a certain people, leading to a specific event in history--Jesus--then we are insisting on a God who engages with the real world, the real world of history. And not just an imaginary world, or an imaginary history.

-CryptoLutheran

This is not historical narrative, Isaiah isn't instructing us on the shape of the world. You can tell the passage is using poetry by the other elements it contains.
"spreads them out like a tent to live in."
I'm sure we all know that the heavens are not an actual tent. The exact word meaning is irrelevant, because its meant to be poetic. No different to the psalm saying "The trees clap their hands with joy" No one says that means trees have hands. The wording is meant to evoke a picture in the mind of leaves moving in the breeze and here Isaiah is making a picture of God viewing the circular/round earth. It doesn't matter if Isiah knew it was a sphere or not. You can't build a doctrine on poetry.

 

[ViaCrucis]

This is not historical narrative, Isaiah isn't instructing us on the shape of the world. You can tell the passage is using poetry by the other elements it contains.
"spreads them out like a tent to live in."
I'm sure we all know that the heavens are not an actual tent. The exact word meaning is irrelevant, because its meant to be poetic. No different to the psalm saying "The trees clap their hands with joy" No one says that means trees have hands. The wording is meant to evoke a picture in the mind of leaves moving in the breeze and here Isaiah is making a picture of God viewing the circular/round earth. It doesn't matter if Isiah knew it was a sphere or not. You can't build a doctrine on poetry.

And I'm more than okay with Isaiah using poetic language.
Are you okay with the author(s) of Genesis using poetic language?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[AV1611VET]

Is it so hard to accept the fact that you are an ape?

No.

I've been called much worse.

 

[AV1611VET]

God didn't have access to molecular genetics, so he was out of the loop.

In the loop or out, we came from the dust of the earth; not the seed of an animal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whether it is 90 or 98% it is an overwhelming amount of likeness.

That is your religious interpretations have you checked out other interpretations?

Did he? I don't know of anyone who claimed he did.

Humans are hominids not apes. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam believe we have souls. Hindus and Sikhs believe that both humans and animals have eternal souls.

No, humans are apes. Chimpanzees are apes too. And we are more closely related to chimps than they are to gorillas.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Never made it past Linnaeus, did he?

Another weird AV post to divert from his failure.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But the name goes on before the quality goes in ... right?

(As Zenith wouldn't say.)

You really have to think about how you are acting.