• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Commander

A son of God.
Apr 10, 2015
830
99
Oklahoma
✟24,062.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
You may like this site, and then again you may not: http://evolution-facts.org/Ev-V1/1evlch06a.htm
 
Upvote 0

Colter

Member
Nov 9, 2004
8,711
1,407
61
✟100,301.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married
Let me peek into your mind just a bit on some of your common sense. What and why on a few examples of the OT do you think are not what it clearly says?
* Starting with the garbled YEC story of Adam and Eve, the earth isn't 6,000 years young.

* Adam and Eve weren't the first people on earth according to Cain's fear of people out in the world. God agrees, puts a mark on Cain and he leaves for Nod where he finds a wife.

* The flood story is beyond silly, it's like the other flood stories in man made religions that also have creation stories. There are other cultures and races that were established long before the Bible was written.

* The Bible is as imperfect as we should expect it to be.
 
Upvote 0

Colter

Member
Nov 9, 2004
8,711
1,407
61
✟100,301.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married

You are confusing denial with an accepted fact, the evidence is so overwhelming that scientist just accept that life evolved from more primitive life forms into life as we know it today as fact. Many kinds of life that once lived on earth are extinct, in some cases tens of millions of years before man evolved. This is shown in the fossil record.
 
Reactions: jeager016
Upvote 0

RickG

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Oct 1, 2011
10,092
1,430
Georgia
✟128,873.00
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
Very insightful
Yes, quite insightful. An excellent example of the distortion and misrepresentation of mainstream scientific literature presenting absolutely zero original data or research to back their fabricated claims.
 
Upvote 0

RickG

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Oct 1, 2011
10,092
1,430
Georgia
✟128,873.00
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
Says who?
Naturalists?
No, people with scientific backgrounds that can easily see their misrepresentations of actual science and the fact that they present absolutely no credible science of their own to back anything they say.
 
Reactions: SnowyMacie
Upvote 0

Hieronymus

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2016
8,428
3,005
54
the Hague NL
✟84,932.00
Country
Netherlands
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
No, people with scientific backgrounds that can easily see their misrepresentations of actual science and the fact that they present absolutely no credible science of their own to back anything they say.
That works both ways obviously.
So the answer is actually: Yes, naturalists.
Naturalists believe what we're fed by the world under the guise of science and rationality, super-naturalists (in this case creationists) believe in the Word of God.
Both have the same evidence to work with, although it should be well known by now that naturalists have produced many pieces of ambiguous or even false evidence.
Of course both parties also make mistakes.
 
Reactions: ElxDalto
Upvote 0

RickG

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Oct 1, 2011
10,092
1,430
Georgia
✟128,873.00
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
Tell you what Hieronymus, you go to that site, pick out one of their claims pertaining to the earth sciences (geology, oceanography, climatology), provide a link and I will point out the problems with it, of which the greatest one without even looking is going to be the lack of any original data or research to support their position. I await your link.
 
Reactions: SnowyMacie
Upvote 0

Not_By_Chance

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
May 25, 2015
813
176
71
✟84,806.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
The Great flood could have been caused by the passage of a massive body which shifted the Earth's orbit farther away from the Sun.
Clearly the global flood was a supernatural event under God's direct control, so you don't need to worry about trying to come up with possible non-supernatural explanations. Just accept that it was so. The same applies to the parting of the Red Sea or when Jesus walked on water/turned water into wine/raised the dead, etc. Do you need to worry about finding a non-supernatural explanation for those events? Of course not.

You've missed the obvious - the water is still here for all to see! Just travel to the coast and look out from the sea shore and there you'll find it - trillions of gallons of it. When God raised up the land masses after the great flood and reshaped the entire face of the earth, the water that was previously covering the whole planet to a depth of about a mile simply drained back into the lower parts of the earth's surface and formed the oceans and places like the Grand Canyon in the process.
 
Upvote 0

Not_By_Chance

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
May 25, 2015
813
176
71
✟84,806.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
I've heard it said by those who know a lot more about these things than I could ever hope to know, that even if the universe were as old as currently claimed, it would still be nowhere near old enough for life to have even got started on its own, let alone evolve into all the different kinds we see today. If life can't even get started, then there's not even a reason to postulate evolution, cause it ain't gonna happen. So whichever way you look at it, be it cosmological, biological or whatever, none of it makes any sense. Where does that leave us? It sounds very much like "In the beginning God..." to me. Glory be to God, our all-powerful, all-knowing Lord - the one who created all things, visible and invisible and who created man in his image, not from some mythical ape-like creature.
 
Reactions: Commander
Upvote 0

RickG

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Oct 1, 2011
10,092
1,430
Georgia
✟128,873.00
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
Why would you doubt the age of the universe and earth as shown by the scientific community?
 
Upvote 0

daleksteve

Well-Known Member
Jun 6, 2015
627
160
46
✟24,232.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Salvation Army
Adam and Eve were the first people on earth they then they had and cain and abel which makes there just only 4 people on the earth.

Cain then grows up and gets himself a wife. this is where the creation story falls apart once again. Logically she had to be an unmentioned daughter of Adam and Eve. Trouble with this is that's its incest which will lead to serious genetic problems with future off spring.

Conclusion Adam and Eve were not the only people on the earth.
 
Upvote 0

Speedwell

Well-Known Member
May 11, 2016
23,928
17,626
82
St Charles, IL
✟347,280.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married
The notion that Cain must have married his sister comes from the Book of Jubilees, which was very popular in early Christian times, but only made it into the Canon of the Ethiopian church.
 
Upvote 0

Colter

Member
Nov 9, 2004
8,711
1,407
61
✟100,301.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married

In my theology Life Carriers brought the primitive life forms to earth which evolved into life as we know it. Evolution is Gods technique for the evolutionary worlds. Eventually human life forms appear with minds capable of responding to spirit gravity.

The fossil record demonstrates variations of life living at different times over periods of millions of years.

The YEC narrative of Genesis isn't supported by the evidence.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Colter

Member
Nov 9, 2004
8,711
1,407
61
✟100,301.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married
The notion that Cain must have married his sister comes from the Book of Jubilees, which was very popular in early Christian times, but only made it into the Canon of the Ethiopian church.
Cain found a wife among the Nodites.
 
Upvote 0