Dinosaur Duck Discovered!!

[Arius]

OK. So you want to see something transitional between humans and other apes. BTW, evolutionary theory does not say humans evolved from monkeys,

How could you say that, .. are you saying the family-tree poster Dawkins is showing

are humans and not monkeys? Unless you are being scientific about it claiming apes are not monkeys?
Lions, cheetahs, leopards, tigers = cats
chimps, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans etc. = monkeys

nor did it suggest that black people are more like apes than other people.

I beg to differ, just as I have shown you with the Ota Benga video. Darwin was also very prejudiced:

- Darwin didn’t hide his view that his evolutionary thinking applied to human races as well as to animal species. The full title of his seminal 1859 book was On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life. He followed up more explicitly in The Descent of Man, where he spelled out his racial theory:

- The Western nations of Europe . . . now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors [that they] stand at the summit of civilization. . . . The civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races through the world. -
What Your Biology Teacher Didn’t Tell You About Charles Darwin

Chimps, after all, have a lot of straight body hair, thin lips, relatively short legs, and light skins. In reality, Europeans are more like chimps than Africans are.

Oh sure we are, .. come on now, you think that updated Sustainable Development, One World Evolution Jedi mind trick going to work on me? No white European considers himself an animal, or that he evolved from apes, .. but that's changed now, because with the New Plan they just cannot openly say it.
Look: As I went to the my Electric company to pay my bill, on the door was a sign in clear black and white: "Absolutely no animals of any kind allowed in building!", and I see white people go in and out of there all day long, and not one stopped to ask themselves if they should go in or not?
And don't forget that in the South, it wasn't that long ago that Blacks were segregated, couldn't even go into restaurants, not even use the same toilet with whites.
So please, .. that may work with todays TV and other media MK-Ultra'd young population, but I wasn't born yesterday.

But back to your challenge. Australopithecines are nicely transitional between chimpanzees and humans, having the chimpanzee jaw and face (but not as prognathous as those of other apes), curved digits (but not as curved as those of other apes) human-like hips (but more apelike-like than those of modern humans) feet with a large, straight big toe (but not quite as large and straight as ours), and a cranium larger than that of other apes of the same size, but not as large as ours.

That was easy. Do you want to try again?

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
... 18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.
20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.

You see why some animals like the monkeys look and even act like us? Or why some animals have such human emotions like dogs for instance, .. and why birds can mimic the human language and talk?

God was hoping that with all the different animals that He created for Adam, some that mimic his speech, some that mimic his actions, etc. that Adam would find them "comparable to him" or entertain him, but unfortunately God realized it wasn't enough, so He had to make one even more like Adam, yet not Adam: a human woman:

Genesis 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.

NOW Adam was satisfied:

.. 2:23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

So you see, there is nothing that the Lord through His Word can't answer, and from scientific observation it makes sense. Not that "man evolved from monkeys, and what, .. woman evolved from man" b.s., but what we can all observe and agree with, without discriminating against anyone. As I have shown you with Ota Benga, and all the horrible discriminations (genocide, slavery) that went on throughout history especially against the darker colored people, isn't it time to put an end to this hate filled, atheistic God hating, discriminating relatively New Religion called "Evolution", labeling people as animals, and call their relatives apes and even rats?

Funny how this New World Order is preaching "One World", that we are "all one, equality, no discrimination where girls can be boys, and boys will be girls, .. like Lola", yet the most ugliest of all crimes against humanity especially in Africa, the US, and even in Australia: allowing this Evolution Religions hatred to go on stronger than ever!?
There will never be unity by such God hating, rule bending rebellious Religion as this BB-Evolution really is, .. turning the world upside down (just look at the movies), and killing us all with deadly Chem trails and lethal injections calling it "Cure for Cancer" which is exactly what this Radiation and Chemo therapy really does!

Show me a specific animals species, like an ape, that after 4 billion years is ready to make that final jump to human? We have millions of apes and other animals, surely some are ready to speciate by now no?
You say that the 8 million species alive today came from amoeba, if that is remotely true, it's been over 4 billion years, we should be witnessing speciation by the day, .. if it happened before, what happened, after Darwin noticed the different species, .. they stopped speciating? lol

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So we're now on to conspiracy theories and the thinking that because Evolution was used by racists/Darwin was a racist then evolution is false. Lovely.

 

[The Barbarian]

How could you say that, .. are you saying the family-tree poster Dawkins is showing

are humans and not monkeys?

There are no monkeys in the chart. And notice that the chart doesn't say any of those apes were our ancestors.

Lions, cheetahs, leopards, tigers = cats

Yep.

chimps, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans etc. = monkeys

Nope. But typical creationist thinking. "People are down on things they aren't up on" said Everette Dirkson.

Darwin was also very prejudiced:

Like most Europeans of his time, Darwin thought Europeans were superior to other humans. He was considered a liberal at the time, because he thought that all humans were alike in deserving respect and freedom. Because science has shown that there are no biological human races, you'd have a hard time finding a racist evolutionist.

However, creationists like ICR director Henry Morris well into the 1990s argued that black people are spiritually and intellectually inferior to other people.

Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites.
Henry Morris The Beginning Of the World, Second Edition (1991)

This is one of the major differences beween science and creationism. Long after science debunked racism, many creationists still cling to it. Not that all creationists are racists; some of them have been strong advocates for equality. But it's troubling that the movement was founded and led by racists.

The Western nations of Europe . . . now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors [that they] stand at the summit of civilization. . . . The civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races through the world. -

What Your Biology Teacher Didn’t Tell You About Charles Darwin

The differences is, Darwin was decrying the fact, which was observably happening. The extermination of many human societies by Europeans is an historical fact, to which he objected. Moreover, Darwin argued that with education and time,the "savage races" could become civilized.

And don't forget that in the South, it wasn't that long ago that Blacks were segregated, couldn't even go into restaurants, not even use the same toilet with whites.

It's no coincidence that it's also where creationism is most prevalent. Birds of a feather.

You see why some animals like the monkeys look and even act like us?

What's with this obsession about monkeys? Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, and evolutionary theory doesn't say that they did.

There will never be unity by such God hating, rule bending rebellious Religion as this BB-Evolution really is, .. turning the world upside down (just look at the movies), and killing us all with deadly Chem trails and lethal injections calling it "Cure for Cancer" which is exactly what this Radiation and Chemo therapy really does!

I see... Meantime, I've shown you a transitional form for the two groups you mentioned. Would you like to try again?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Appeal to authority is also a logical fallacy

Appeal to appropriate expert authority or consensus isn't fallacious, obviously. It's the appeal to inappropriate or unqualified authority or authority per se that is fallacious.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So we're now on to conspiracy theories and the thinking that because Evolution was used by racists/Darwin was a racist then evolution is false. Lovely.

Yeah, a classic example of the Gish gallop...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Hello @doubtingmerle I understand that your 'Evolution' idea takes time, but in the 4 billion years of amoeba evolving, there had to be a "moment in time" where a monkey/ape turned into, or gave birth to a human.
You know, where we with our archeological background in forensics, using our MRI's and DNA testing could catch a living 'ape' that's just about to turn into a human, no?

Again, .. there had to be a living, breathing ape that one day either turned into a human, or gave birth to a human, even if this process took a trillion years to get to that 'moment'. You can't just take some bones of a human, and a handful of bones of an ape and say that; this pile of ape-bones here, turned into that pile of human bones there, .. and how these bones actually looked with flesh on them "just look at my drawings, .. see"!?

Individuals don't evolve into new species, populations evolve over many generations, as beneficial, detrimental, and neutral heritable changes in individuals affect the number of viable offspring they have (that also carry those changes), and so gradually change the population as a whole.

You can no more point to a moment when one species has become a new species than the moment you go from being a physically a youth to an adult. In societies, an arbitrary age is usually chosen for adulthood; in biology, a variety of definitions is used for species, depending on the specific context - the most popular being when members of one population can't or generally don't interbreed with another, given the opportunity.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yeah, a classic example of the Gish gallop...

And it's a really bad argument for creationists, given the racism of some of the founders of their new doctrines.

 

[Arius]

So we're now on to conspiracy theories and the thinking that because Evolution was used by racists/Darwin was a racist then evolution is false. Lovely.

Hello @Warden_of_the_Storm what I was pointing out is regarding 'what the foundation the BB-Evolution Religion was built on' "discrimination", and when backed by another Religion, the most powerful Religion on earth "Christianity", with the most members, well it does eventually get a facelift, .. just like Mormonism and other Organized Religions. It's either a facelift, or they die out just like the Quakers and Shakers did, and many other religions throughout human history.

Evolution doesn't have a leg to stand on; scientific observations like short and long beaked finches are propped up by lies, just as I have pointed out over and over again. So what people see is the actual observation, like here are monkeys and apes, and there we have us humans. Or "here is a short beaked finch, and there is a long beaked one" .. well no kidding, .. duh!
And then they throw in all the b.s. how over millions and billions of Carl Sagan years;

the rat, .. evolve to monkey, .. gradually like, .. very slowly, then over (please see Carl's video above) turned into us humans.

Fine, I will use the word ape (as if that makes any difference) the story goes, where a strand of these apes gradually, ........... tiny quantum speck within a cell at a time, influenced by the same food source, by the same sun, by the same tectonic plate movements, same imaginary meteor showers like all the other animals (and humans as we see in Africa) have, and then through some powerful magic Mother Nature and Father Time at a specific moment in time flipped the switch on this family from animal ape, to human.

Oh, and I object being classified as an animal, it is rude, and discriminating. Hitler did that to my ancestors, called us rats and used it to justify wiping us off the face of the earth. If men can dress up as women and scream "discrimination" when someone calls them men, then I should have the same rights NOT to be labeled an animal. Everyone including infants can differentiate between an animal and a human. Besides, I know many intelligent full blown Evolutionists who feel the same way.
(Please none of that "well humans are animals of the ape family" bs, .. they can call their family what they want, but don't call mine animals What would PETA be if they actually believed humans were animals, .. right? They never stood up for my rights?

Besides, I have never in my life noticed either theist or atheist, Creationist or Evolutionist stop front of a business, or grocery store and wonder what they should do after reading a clearly marked sign that says: "Absolutely No Animals Allowed in Store!"

I am NOT talking about the other apes living in the same area, eating the same food, floating off on the same tectonic plate, because they decided to stay apes. I'm talking about this ONE family of apes that supposedly for some unknown reason became afraid of the dark, went into caves and didn't come out until the fathers invented Religion, and forced it on his family with a club!?

If an animal ape changed, speciated, morphed into a human, .. or if a lizard changed into a bird, all I'm asking is for someone to tell me; "how did this happen?" And yes, I know all about the variety of pigeons, and horses, and dogs we can breed, but they all remain pigeons, horses and dogs.

look, lets go with the gorilla, . gorilla, .. gorilla loosing it's hair, .. gorilla playing with fire, .. gorilla walking more on his hind feet, .. gorilla wondering what the heck he can use the fire for, .. human, .. human starts to roast wild pigs belly (has bacon and eggs for breakfast), human moves out from the cave and builds houses, cities, invents languages, Religions, gods!

See that moment where the gorilla turns into human?
This had to happen when the gorilla was alive, it couldn't of happen after it died, and it's bones fossilized, right? So WHAT happened? Did the female gorilla give birth to a white girl (Dawkins depiction in the video) or did the gorilla father and mother overnight change into humans who started the human race?

Fact, two gorillas can't produce a human baby.
So, .. either both male and female gorillas had to change human overnight, or give birth to human twins, a girl and a boy.
I'm just asking: "Which is it?"

 

[Michael]

Appeal to appropriate expert authority or consensus isn't fallacious, obviously. It's the appeal to inappropriate or unqualified authority or authority per se that is fallacious.

I beg to differ. Even experts can be wrong. The reliance upon an appeal to authority, even an 'educated' authority still *assumes* that the scientific majority cannot be wrong. The majority can be wrong, even an educated majority.

Aristarchus of Samos - Wikipedia

Aristarchus would beg to differ with your appeal to popular authority figures of the next 1600+ years. The majority of the scientific community heckled the right idea (and person proposing it) in favor of mathematical epicycles. They were probably all better epicycle experts than Aristarchus.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Hello @Warden_of_the_Storm what I was pointing out is regarding 'what the foundation the BB-Evolution Religion was built on' "discrimination", and when backed by another Religion, the most powerful Religion on earth "Christianity", with the most members, well it does eventually get a facelift, .. just like Mormonism and other Organized Religions. It's either a facelift, or they die out just like the Quakers and Shakers did, and many other religions throughout human history.

Evolution doesn't have a leg to stand on; scientific observations like short and long beaked finches are propped up by lies, just as I have pointed out over and over again. So what people see is the actual observation, like here are monkeys and apes, and there we have us humans. Or "here is a short beaked finch, and there is a long beaked one" .. well no kidding, .. duh!
And then they throw in all the b.s. how over millions and billions of Carl Sagan years;

the rat, .. evolve to monkey, .. gradually like, .. very slowly, then over (please see Carl's video above) turned into us humans.

Fine, I will use the word ape (as if that makes any difference) the story goes, where a strand of these apes gradually, ........... tiny quantum speck within a cell at a time, influenced by the same food source, by the same sun, by the same tectonic plate movements, same imaginary meteor showers like all the other animals (and humans as we see in Africa) have, and then through some powerful magic Mother Nature and Father Time at a specific moment in time flipped the switch on this family from animal ape, to human.

Oh, and I object being classified as an animal, it is rude, and discriminating. Hitler did that to my ancestors, called us rats and used it to justify wiping us off the face of the earth. If men can dress up as women and scream "discrimination" when someone calls them men, then I should have the same rights NOT to be labeled an animal. Everyone including infants can differentiate between an animal and a human. Besides, I know many intelligent full blown Evolutionists who feel the same way.
(Please none of that "well humans are animals of the ape family" bs, .. they can call their family what they want, but don't call mine animals What would PETA be if they actually believed humans were animals, .. right? They never stood up for my rights?

Besides, I have never in my life noticed either theist or atheist, Creationist or Evolutionist stop front of a business, or grocery store and wonder what they should do after reading a clearly marked sign that says: "Absolutely No Animals Allowed in Store!"

I am NOT talking about the other apes living in the same area, eating the same food, floating off on the same tectonic plate, because they decided to stay apes. I'm talking about this ONE family of apes that supposedly for some unknown reason became afraid of the dark, went into caves and didn't come out until the fathers invented Religion, and forced it on his family with a club!?

If an animal ape changed, speciated, morphed into a human, .. or if a lizard changed into a bird, all I'm asking is for someone to tell me; "how did this happen?" And yes, I know all about the variety of pigeons, and horses, and dogs we can breed, but they all remain pigeons, horses and dogs.

look, lets go with the gorilla, . gorilla, .. gorilla loosing it's hair, .. gorilla playing with fire, .. gorilla walking more on his hind feet, .. gorilla wondering what the heck he can use the fire for, .. human, .. human starts to roast wild pigs belly (has bacon and eggs for breakfast), human moves out from the cave and builds houses, cities, invents languages, Religions, gods!

See that moment where the gorilla turns into human?
This had to happen when the gorilla was alive, it couldn't of happen after it died, and it's bones fossilized, right? So WHAT happened? Did the female gorilla give birth to a white girl (Dawkins depiction in the video) or did the gorilla father and mother overnight change into humans who started the human race?

Fact, two gorillas can't produce a human baby.
So, .. either both male and female gorillas had to change human overnight, or give birth to human twins, a girl and a boy.
I'm just asking: "Which is it?"

Poe

 

[Speedwell]

Hello @Warden_of_the_Storm what I was pointing out is regarding 'what the foundation the BB-Evolution Religion was built on' "discrimination", and when backed by another Religion, the most powerful Religion on earth "Christianity", with the most members, well it does eventually get a facelift, .. just like Mormonism and other Organized Religions. It's either a facelift, or they die out just like the Quakers and Shakers did, and many other religions throughout human history.

Evolution doesn't have a leg to stand on; scientific observations like short and long beaked finches are propped up by lies, just as I have pointed out over and over again. So what people see is the actual observation, like here are monkeys and apes, and there we have us humans. Or "here is a short beaked finch, and there is a long beaked one" .. well no kidding, .. duh!
And then they throw in all the b.s. how over millions and billions of Carl Sagan years;

the rat, .. evolve to monkey, .. gradually like, .. very slowly, then over (please see Carl's video above) turned into us humans.

Fine, I will use the word ape (as if that makes any difference) the story goes, where a strand of these apes gradually, ........... tiny quantum speck within a cell at a time, influenced by the same food source, by the same sun, by the same tectonic plate movements, same imaginary meteor showers like all the other animals (and humans as we see in Africa) have, and then through some powerful magic Mother Nature and Father Time at a specific moment in time flipped the switch on this family from animal ape, to human.

Oh, and I object being classified as an animal, it is rude, and discriminating. Hitler did that to my ancestors, called us rats and used it to justify wiping us off the face of the earth. If men can dress up as women and scream "discrimination" when someone calls them men, then I should have the same rights NOT to be labeled an animal. Everyone including infants can differentiate between an animal and a human. Besides, I know many intelligent full blown Evolutionists who feel the same way.
(Please none of that "well humans are animals of the ape family" bs, .. they can call their family what they want, but don't call mine animals What would PETA be if they actually believed humans were animals, .. right? They never stood up for my rights?

Besides, I have never in my life noticed either theist or atheist, Creationist or Evolutionist stop front of a business, or grocery store and wonder what they should do after reading a clearly marked sign that says: "Absolutely No Animals Allowed in Store!"

I am NOT talking about the other apes living in the same area, eating the same food, floating off on the same tectonic plate, because they decided to stay apes. I'm talking about this ONE family of apes that supposedly for some unknown reason became afraid of the dark, went into caves and didn't come out until the fathers invented Religion, and forced it on his family with a club!?

If an animal ape changed, speciated, morphed into a human, .. or if a lizard changed into a bird, all I'm asking is for someone to tell me; "how did this happen?" And yes, I know all about the variety of pigeons, and horses, and dogs we can breed, but they all remain pigeons, horses and dogs.

look, lets go with the gorilla, . gorilla, .. gorilla loosing it's hair, .. gorilla playing with fire, .. gorilla walking more on his hind feet, .. gorilla wondering what the heck he can use the fire for, .. human, .. human starts to roast wild pigs belly (has bacon and eggs for breakfast), human moves out from the cave and builds houses, cities, invents languages, Religions, gods!

See that moment where the gorilla turns into human?
This had to happen when the gorilla was alive, it couldn't of happen after it died, and it's bones fossilized, right? So WHAT happened? Did the female gorilla give birth to a white girl (Dawkins depiction in the video) or did the gorilla father and mother overnight change into humans who started the human race?

Fact, two gorillas can't produce a human baby.
So, .. either both male and female gorillas had to change human overnight, or give birth to human twins, a girl and a boy.
I'm just asking: "Which is it?"

You can rant all you want--that's fun to do here.

But nothing you posted is contained in or predicted by the theory of evolution. Evolution doesn't work like that.

 

[pitabread]

See that moment where the gorilla turns into human?
This had to happen when the gorilla was alive, it couldn't of happen after it died, and it's bones fossilized, right? So WHAT happened? Did the female gorilla give birth to a white girl (Dawkins depiction in the video) or did the gorilla father and mother overnight change into humans who started the human race?

Once again I refer you to the following color gradient:

See if you can point to the pixel where green becomes blue.

If you can conceptualize how a color can turn into another color with intermediary transitions, then you should be able to apply the same conceptualization to evolutionary changes in biological organisms.

 

[Arius]

There are no monkeys in the chart. And notice that the chart doesn't say any of those apes were our ancestors.

Time 0:24

Yep.

Nope. But typical creationist thinking. "People are down on things they aren't up on" said Everette Dirkson.

I agree with Mr. Dirkson 101%.
But you agreeing with me doesn't answer my question though!?

Like most Europeans of his time, Darwin thought Europeans were superior to other humans. He was considered a liberal at the time, because he thought that all humans were alike in deserving respect and freedom. Because science has shown that there are no biological human races, you'd have a hard time finding a racist evolutionist.

However, creationists like ICR director Henry Morris well into the 1990s argued that black people are spiritually and intellectually inferior to other people.

Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites.
Henry Morris The Beginning Of the World, Second Edition (1991)

Again, .. agreeing with me on racism and discrimination doesn't answer my question.

This is one of the major differences beween science and creationism. Long after science debunked racism, many creationists still cling to it.

"one of the major differences between science and creationism", .. Now that's funny how Evolutionist use these different weapons, techniques to try to demean Creationists, one is to ridicule, and the other is to misrepresent Creationists as "science haters". Just because we can tell the difference between science and science fiction doesn't mean we hate science. Besides, I have always loved science fiction, I just don't get carried away by it like NASA does claiming they found the Earthlike planet Tatooine, .. lol.
Creationism is science, what Darwin observed of all the different animals is creationism, he didn't show ONE single animal speciating into another species. All he did was document what was already there. The first scientist was Adam, he did Taxonomy, labeled all the animals.

Not that all creationists are racists; some of them have been strong advocates for equality. But it's troubling that the movement was founded and led by racists.

Your conflating Creationists with Religionists, hoping to hide the fact that (as I have clearly demonstrated) that the BB-Evolution Religion is the most dangerous, most discriminating and evil Religion of all time.

The differences is, Darwin was decrying the fact, which was observably happening. The extermination of many human societies by Europeans is an historical fact, to which he objected. Moreover, Darwin argued that with education and time,the "savage races" could become civilized.

Oh I see, .. so is that what the Evolutionists were doing to Ota Benga? Taking him from his home in chains, then civilizing him by putting him in the New York Zoo holding a baby ape? Well, I guess he did learn about evolution, right? His last lesson was about 'extinction' by putting a gun against his heart (the organ that caused him the most pain) and killing himself.

It's no coincidence that it's also where creationism is most prevalent. Birds of a feather.

Again you conflate 'Creationism' with 'Religion'. And yes, .. "Birds of a feather", like theism/atheism do flock together, since they are two sides of the same coin; "Religion".

What's with this obsession about monkeys? Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, and evolutionary theory doesn't say that they did.

Apes then? I guess I shouldn't confuse apes with monkeys, what was I thinking? Like the 'Drill', now how could have I associate it with an ape like an orangutan or something is beyond me?
You still are avoiding my few simple questions;

"What happened in that moment in time when your ape turned into a completely different species, where they could no longer even propagate and produce offspring with their own species that they belonged to the day before!?"

For millions of years they were ape-apes, then one day, while they were still alive they turned human-ape (according to BB-Evolution), so different where they couldn't even reproduce with the ape-apes standing right outside their caves, which were the rest of their immediate family and cousins!?
What happened, .. genetically speaking because from one day to the next, that is a staggering change. Did they take some fruit for dinner, like an apple from a magical tree that changed them so drastically overnight?

I see... Meantime, I've shown you a transitional form for the two groups you mentioned. Would you like to try again?

Sorry, but showing me an ape at the New York zoo in one cell, and then Ota Benga or any other human along with some "long, long time ago on tectonic plates floating from far, far away this and that happened" fairytale in the other cell is NOT scientific proof that Ota Benga evolved from the ape.
That would be magic, like showing me a deck of cards, and with the sleight of the hand turning it into a baloney sandwich."

Remember that I'm a Creationist that demands scientific evidence with substance, not a Religionist who on blind faith will accept any sci-fi fairytale story, .. so please, try again!?

God bless you.

 

[doubtingmerle]

OK, so you don't believe in evolution either, right? You know, like that man evolved from apes BS!?



Let's be scientific about this, and I mean the science that searches for the truth in things. And far as I know (you can prove me wrong) not ONE scientist (other than maybe Dawkins) has EVER observed over "millions of years duck babies gradually grow stronger jaws and more protective skin until they had some resemblance to crocodiles, .. or observed short beaked finches evolve longer ones", none, .. zilch, .. nix, .. nada! So like I said, lets be realistic about your "scientific claims", OK?



Again you are suggesting that fossils speciated over millions and billions of years, .. and I say "I don't believe you", .. unless you can show me that one fossilized species of animal could evolve into completely different fossilized species!? .. YouTube video would be great, but not cartoons.

But here is what we DO observe in science (which is observing the world around us in the here and now):

Scientific observation: "For example, the cactus finch has a long beak that reaches into blossoms, the ground finch has a short beak (* _____) for eating seeds buried under the soil, and the tree finch has a parrot-shaped beak suited for stripping bark to find insects."

* Here is where we can put either the word adapted, or created, but since no Evolutionist scientist alive could claim to have observed finches evolve short, or long beaks over millions and billions of years, .. nor have I seen my Creator create these birds, we'll just leave that blank.
The Bible does say that God created all the animals after their own kind, which by observation we can see that there are short and long beaked birds for specific purpose and reasons as noted above, .. and anyone can verify this from observation (science).



Yes, again you refer to fossils, when I asked you for evidence for scientific observation of an ape turning into a human, and you keep pointing to fossils.
With 6 billion people on earth, and with all the deformities we get from chem-trailing and poisoning of our waters, I too could show you not fossils, but living humans, starting with one who cannot speak but only grunt, .. walk on all fours, .. and look just like an ape (including being very hairy) holding a real baby ape.
From there, I could line up other living humans that show a change all the way to a white German gentleman with blue eyes working on a computer, .. just like you guys do with fossils.

And between each living human, I can make up long winded; "Once upon a time long, long time ago" fairytale stories of how this one through natural selection evolved into that one, but like the Ota Benga incident, I would never do that because that would be very insulting, discriminating, even inhuman just as the story of Ota Benga was.

Again, are you saying that you believe that these fossils that have been buried in the ground for your millions and billions of years speciated from one species into another? If so, .. sorry but I don't believe you. Fossilized bones don't evolve, and like you admitted, you cannot show me living creatures speciating from one species into a completely different species.
Actually, no Evolutionary scientist is even looking for one species evolving/speciating into another, which is what I've been asking for? Why is that?

Because they know with 100% certainty that no such thing could, or has ever happened. If they even remotely believed that, with all the technology today, where they can monitor our brain waves and predict what we think and dream, and with the ability to monitor the DNA of transitioning species, .. this should be a synch!
Yet, .. no such observation even exists.

Flapdoodle.

You have been told that evolution is gradual. So why do you ask for us to show it happen in one generation? It takes a long time.

Sorry, homo habilis didn't have video cameras, so I won't be able to post any of their videos to u tube. But we have shown you fossil evidence that you just ignore. Why do we find intermediate fossils down there if evolution did not happen?

I find it interesting that you deny the Galapagos finches evolved. Creationists here have acknowledged it as obvious truth. Why do you think the galapagos islands have these varieties of finches that fill the niches of other birds elsewhere? It's obvious to most of us that a small group of finches flew there and then diversified. How do you think it is that all these finches ended here and nowhere else?

And yes, we have observed speciation. See Evolution: Watching Speciation Occur | Observations.

 

[The Barbarian]

If an animal ape changed, speciated, morphed into a human, .. or if a lizard changed into a bird, all I'm asking is for someone to tell me; "how did this happen?"

Gradually. But first, no lizard population ever gave rise to birds. Back in the 1800s, Thomas Huxley predicted, based on anatomical data, that dinosaurs gave rise to birds. That prediction was validated when a large number of predicted transitional forms started turning up. Lizards could never have given rise to birds, but archosaurs did.

Turns out, that many theropod dinosaurs had feathers. Some of them had the unique avian respiratory system, and the avian wingstroke was very likely evolved in running theropods, which used the motion of the upper limbs for balance, as ostriches still do today.

Indeed, it is quite likely that even flight preceded birds. Archaeopteryx is much more like a dinosaur than like a bird, but it could fly.

Would you like some more detail on this?

 

[The Barbarian]

Why do we find intermediate fossils down there if evolution did not happen?

Even more convincing, we never find transitional forms where they shouldn't be. No feathered mammals, no insects with bones.

Just the predicted transitionals. And new ones showing up almost monthly.

 

[The Barbarian]

I agree with Mr. Dirkson 101%.

He was talking to you. The reason you don't like science, is you don't understand what it's about.

(Barbarian notes that evolutionary theory makes it impossible for an evolutionist to consistently be a racist, but the founders of creationism continued to assert the supposed inferiority of black people into the 1990s)

Again, .. agreeing with me on racism and discrimination doesn't answer my question.

You seemed to be attributing racism to science. You now agree that it was a creationist issue?

Barbarian observes:
This is one of the major differences beween science and creationism. Long after science debunked racism, many creationists still cling to it. Not that all creationists are racists; some of them have been strong advocates for equality. But it's troubling that the movement was founded and led by racists.

Now that's funny how Evolutionist use these different weapons, techniques to try to demean Creationists, one is to ridicule, and the other is to misrepresent Creationists as "science haters".

Evolutionary theory has shown that there are no biological human races today. While creationists like ICR founder Henry Morris continued to argue that blacks are inferior to other people, evolutionary theory exposed racism as a foolish superstition.

Creationism is science

YE creationism is a modern revision of Genesis, no older than the 20th century, and it has no scientific foundation.

Oh I see, .. so is that what the Evolutionists were doing to Ota Benga?

Nope. Foolish people who, like many creationists, ignored Darwin's writing on humans, and accepted the creationist racial idea of Henry Morris.

Again you conflate 'Creationism' with 'Religion'.

YE creationism is a modern religious doctrine. It was invented by the Seventh-Day Adventists.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Hello @Warden_of_the_Storm what I was pointing out is regarding 'what the foundation the BB-Evolution Religion was built on' "discrimination", and when backed by another Religion, the most powerful Religion on earth "Christianity", with the most members, well it does eventually get a facelift, .. just like Mormonism and other Organized Religions. It's either a facelift, or they die out just like the Quakers and Shakers did, and many other religions throughout human history.

Evolution doesn't have a leg to stand on; scientific observations like short and long beaked finches are propped up by lies, just as I have pointed out over and over again. So what people see is the actual observation, like here are monkeys and apes, and there we have us humans. Or "here is a short beaked finch, and there is a long beaked one" .. well no kidding, .. duh!
And then they throw in all the b.s. how over millions and billions of Carl Sagan years;

the rat, .. evolve to monkey, .. gradually like, .. very slowly, then over (please see Carl's video above) turned into us humans.

Fine, I will use the word ape (as if that makes any difference) the story goes, where a strand of these apes gradually, ........... tiny quantum speck within a cell at a time, influenced by the same food source, by the same sun, by the same tectonic plate movements, same imaginary meteor showers like all the other animals (and humans as we see in Africa) have, and then through some powerful magic Mother Nature and Father Time at a specific moment in time flipped the switch on this family from animal ape, to human.

Oh, and I object being classified as an animal, it is rude, and discriminating. Hitler did that to my ancestors, called us rats and used it to justify wiping us off the face of the earth. If men can dress up as women and scream "discrimination" when someone calls them men, then I should have the same rights NOT to be labeled an animal. Everyone including infants can differentiate between an animal and a human. Besides, I know many intelligent full blown Evolutionists who feel the same way.
(Please none of that "well humans are animals of the ape family" bs, .. they can call their family what they want, but don't call mine animals What would PETA be if they actually believed humans were animals, .. right? They never stood up for my rights?

Besides, I have never in my life noticed either theist or atheist, Creationist or Evolutionist stop front of a business, or grocery store and wonder what they should do after reading a clearly marked sign that says: "Absolutely No Animals Allowed in Store!"

I am NOT talking about the other apes living in the same area, eating the same food, floating off on the same tectonic plate, because they decided to stay apes. I'm talking about this ONE family of apes that supposedly for some unknown reason became afraid of the dark, went into caves and didn't come out until the fathers invented Religion, and forced it on his family with a club!?

If an animal ape changed, speciated, morphed into a human, .. or if a lizard changed into a bird, all I'm asking is for someone to tell me; "how did this happen?" And yes, I know all about the variety of pigeons, and horses, and dogs we can breed, but they all remain pigeons, horses and dogs.

look, lets go with the gorilla, . gorilla, .. gorilla loosing it's hair, .. gorilla playing with fire, .. gorilla walking more on his hind feet, .. gorilla wondering what the heck he can use the fire for, .. human, .. human starts to roast wild pigs belly (has bacon and eggs for breakfast), human moves out from the cave and builds houses, cities, invents languages, Religions, gods!

See that moment where the gorilla turns into human?
This had to happen when the gorilla was alive, it couldn't of happen after it died, and it's bones fossilized, right? So WHAT happened? Did the female gorilla give birth to a white girl (Dawkins depiction in the video) or did the gorilla father and mother overnight change into humans who started the human race?

Fact, two gorillas can't produce a human baby.
So, .. either both male and female gorillas had to change human overnight, or give birth to human twins, a girl and a boy.
I'm just asking: "Which is it?"

Maybe instead of waffling on about seven points in one post, how about trying to stick to one point in one post. People will actually want to converse with you instead.
And I have to agree with Bungle_Bear. All of your posts made have the distinct hallmarks of a poe.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Also, apes and monkeys are different things.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Just the predicted transitionals. And new ones showing up almost monthly.

Is there a good source for the quantity of genera, species, and specimen of extinct vertebrate fossils that have been found in various families? Creationists keep talking as though it is a few here and there, and I keep reminding them that it is a lot. I would like to be more specific, particularly in the horse line, the Human line, the early tetrapods, and the mammal like reptiles.