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Do you know why Evolution, the Big Bang story, Communism etc. were invented, and Trillions of dollars, hundreds of millions of lives sacrificed for them?

I'm interested in hearing how the Big Bang or evolution cost us trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of lives. It looks like a clumsy attempt at deception. But perhaps I'm wrong. Let's see what you've got. Be warned, bringing up Hitler and eugenics will reveal things about creationism that you won't want to see.

It was to hopefully destroy the Bible off the face of the earth

That seems like an odd idea, given that Darwin attributed the origin of life to God, and the Big Bang theory was proposed by a Christian and most strongly opposed by an atheist.

If this is a Poe, it's a particularly easy one.
 
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Really???

So you don't understand how "gradual" is not the same as "instantly"?

You go and ask the flight attendant: "When on Gods Flat Earth is the plane from Phoenix arriving? It was supposed to arrive 3 hours ago!?"
She looks at you and says: "Gradually sir, over a very, very long time. Phoenix is 3,000 miles from us, Now please sit down or I'll call security!"

Two hours later (same thing)

After four BILLION years, you look like Moses after seeing God, you walk up, .. no, you crawl to her feet and ask one last time: "When is the plane from Phoenix arriving?" Annoyed by your persistence, she replies: "You expect the plane to show up INSTANTLY? Security! arrest this man for being belligerent and stupid. He thinks planes just show up instantly! I have told him over and over again for the past 4 billion years that, planes arrive gradually, NOT instantly, but he does not seem to understand the difference between gradual and instant!?"

False analogy. Try this one, instead:

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So many things wrong with your analogy, first, explain to me starting with the micro evolution,
* tell me what does each color shade represents, .. cells?
- If cells, then from red to blue, they are all cells, and they eventually turn/evolve into bone, hair, meat, skin, brain etc.
* Macro, .. how many species are we talking about here? Is each shade a different species? You know, like is it;
red = amoeba
blue = human, and all the shades in between are the eight million species living today, is that what you are showing me?

Great, so where is your evolution? That is Creation, as the Lord said: Created all those different animals, with every animal species after their kind, with possible variations in each just as we see in dogs and in horses etc.

OR, .. is your;
red = gorilla
blue = human?
then where are the millions of living creatures that you show in-between the two, we have two, the gorilla and the human, where are the rest? Oh yeah, fossils right? That's where all the speciation's happen, in the dark.
Only there is no color in the dark.
Come on buddy, get real. Stop playing with me and be nice, show me how a gorilla speciated into a human, keep telling me that it happens; "gradually, .. over millions and billions of Carl Sagan years, and so on" doesn't cut it. Me want evidence, scientific evidence, something I too can go out and investigate for myself, .. that's how science works.

Homo Sapiens belongs to the kingdom of animalia.
Your emotional objections to that, not withstanding.

OK, I had enough of these Dawkins atheistic insults, it's bad enough you call me an animal, call my ancestors rats, all the color-shady-jokes you guys throw at me, and now you call me a Homo. Just how much more can you guys lay on me, .. because I LOVE IT! I am really enjoying this. But I do pray that God would open your eyes to see how wrong your ideologies which has become your religion really are.

It is impossible to come up with a defintion for "animal" that includes ALL animals but excludes humans without explicitly adding "...but not humans".

It's just the way it is.

It's reality. Not a personal opinion.

Oh no, I understand how degrading this Evolution Religion really is, and yes, from the start of this Religion with Darwin to this very day, it IS very personal. Only it will take a lot more fluoride in our water before anyone will accept being called an animal. Well, maybe when Agenda 21, 2030 is fully implemented world wide, with the "angels of light" in their bat-caves, you know the ones with cities and malls underground while us animals are dying from the terrible viruses they release upon us animals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
that means 6.5 billion sub human animals are to be eradicated in the name of "Sustainable Development"

Here is how it does NOT fit, one more time:

Genesis 1:20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Now how did God create all this? Well, we could not yet record all the information that is in God creating all this, we barely got the DNA info down. But He did give us a hint, and in the Bible He said that "in the Last days, knowledge shall increase", so here we are, we can now understand what, and how and by whom God created all that is created: (now this is not from dissecting a frog and naming all the organs, and how those organs are made of cells, and then making up some cockamamie story how millions and billions and trillions of years ago a speck popped out of nothing, and Time, specifically Father Time who over 14 BILLION years evolved all these sells because any child could come up with such fantastic stories, .. no, this gives us a glance into exactly how God created all this.)

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

You know how we create computer worlds (Mine Craft is a good example, my children loved it)
well where do you think we got that from? That's right, our Heavenly Creator, and we do that by "words", a computer language, just like our Father created us.
So we see in John 1 that the first thing that our Heavenly Creator in His Infinite wisdom, within His Infinite self did was; create the Word, a language. Only He gave the language a body to possess also, and called him his Son so He can communicate with him.
Much like we created a computer in which we put the Word, or program, and talk to it through a keyboard. But of course we are not even scratching the surface of what our Creator can do.

Now the Word was with God, of course, and before that, the Word was God, for all things proceed from the Father including His Word.
So He now has a computer (His Son Word) through whom God creates everything else, bit by bit, data upon data, all Intelligently designed, programmed, until Here we are.


Emotional reasoning? Lol after labeling me and my ancestors animals, gorillas and rats, and with these New Agendas coming out to irradiate 6.5 BILLION of us rats and you tell me about "fallacious emotional reasoning"?? You funny man.


Oh but it IS. and with what hypocrisy too. You atheists believe in Evolution, yet look at the Agendas and plans you are making in going against your "Evolution happens, .. no will or plan of anyone" bs.
What is this "population control" bs huh? What happened to Evolution, .. to Mother Nature? She could take care of us for millions and billions of years, but now with the Evolution Religion, all of a sudden she needs help by Intelligent Design??? LOL
You believe we are over populating the world? Let me take you on a 30 minute plane ride, blindfolded, and drop you off without food or water and we'll see just how over populated this world really is!?
We are millions of years behind sparsely populating the earth the way God intended us to: "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth" at this rate, we wouldn't be able to populate the known earth for hundreds of thousands of years, not alone the vastness beyond Antarctica. You guys aren't just planning to jam us into cities with high rises, but already had limited our exploration of the rest of the world.


What vast universe, holding 250 billion galaxies each made up of 200 billion stars are you talking about? Look, either we talk of the real world that we all can see, you know, as in science, or I won't respond to you anymore. Just kidding, I was just suggesting that we don't sidetrack to Star Wars science fiction "space", Evolution is as much sci-fi I can bare in one debate. (but I'd be happy to debate the Sci-Fi Big Bang with you on a New OP! why derail this thread, right?)

Look, God created the Heaven and the Earth. Before the devil and his angels ruined it and worked it into chaos, all there was is Heaven, and then this here Earth.
Now we go to Genesis 1:2 where God cleans up all this chaotic mess, then decides to make another heaven between the air, and His Throne Heaven, and that's where He put the stars.

There is NO sci-fi universe, what we look through a telescope in the 2nd heaven is where the stars are. I have a 10" Celestron and seen all the different pretty stars, and they revolve over our earth. the ONLY place "planets exist" is in Disney and NASA cartoons and paintings. Oh yeah, and in movies which NASA makes before they plan an imaginary flight to their imaginary planets like Mars, or the moon.
You don't actually believe those stars are planets do you? Get a telescope, you'll see them stars as they really are, and when the Lord comes, he will shake not only the earth, but the heavens where the stars are too, and all them stars will fall to the earth.

Not "you guys". That's rather just the gradual nature of evolution.
Individuals don't evolve. Populations do. And it happens through the gradual accumulation of small changes that spread throughout the population.

Where the dog changes gradually from a great Dane to a teacup poodle. There is no animal called "common ancestor" OK? I already asked you guys to show us Creationists one of these animals so we can determine what they are, but you guys keep avoiding the subject. But hey, that's OK, it's more fun playing "make believe". I used to watch Mr. Rogers Neighborhood too!

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Exactly, monkeys speak monkey, birds chirp bird, and humans speak hundreds of languages. No human EVER spoke monkey, right? See, we do agree on some things. Oh, and yes, French children speak French, unless their mother is Spanish where they can then speak both French and Spanish. No millions and billions of funny Evolution needed.

And yet, Latin evolved into french, spanish, portugese,...

Yes, but not the gorilla into human remember? That's what you guys said, "No animal of ANY species has ever evolved, speciated, morphed or given birth to another species. We agree on that too, only problem is that you still believe in Evolution!? Go figure??


Well thank the Lord, .. finally you came to. OK, so now you're not going back to your Religion are you? Please don't, I hate to see you label your children animal, .. you know what I mean?

And yet, ancestral latin evolved into french, spanish and portugese.
Just like ancestral primates evolved into humans, chimps and gorilla's.

Gradualism is a real thing, you know.

Egad! Why??? They don't change but they evolve. They don't evolve, but they gradually change, .. ahh, .. if I didn't love standing up for God our Creator, I would have stopped a long time ago. But since we're on the subject, why would I let you believe in a lie, right? I mean by now even the most Religious Evolutionist should see the paradoxes in this million, billion year old make-believe fairytales, no?

I mean just this debate alone should reveal the rips in this Evolution story, why would you defend something so ridiculous?
My atheist friend humiliated me with my Christian Religion, and I seen the truth in what he said, yet here you are far more educated than me, yet stick with such a demeaning, discriminating and dangerous Religion, .. why?


Details observed instances of speciation.
It's a dificult thing to observe off course, since it takes quite some time to unfold.
But it's not a problem. Because we have DNA, which can be used to determine blood ties and common ancestry.


I KNOW! So why cant you see that no one, not one scientist is even monitoring the eight million evolving species for that special moment when they make that switch from gorilla to human, or the croc to a duck (or whatever). Or here, this should be really easy; keep an eye on both that short beaked finch and the long beaked finch, switch the food on them and watch them for some generations, and see the short beaked on grow the long beaks?

I mean how long would it take? Tell them an earthquake broke away their original habitat, and they have floated away, and now they better start growing them beaks or they will not last another generation!
I mean what choice do they have, right? Mother Nature is sure to step in and grow that beak in a few weeks!

I just gave you a link.

Never said any such thing.
I said that it works through the gradual accumulation of changes / variations. I'm sorry that you can't grasp the concept and the implied inevitable result of gradual accumulation.

LOL, .. like the train that's coming, gradually, .. accumulating all them miles inch by inch, foot by foot, yard by yard, mile by mile, but never arrives.

"When is that train going to arrive?"
"It's coming, gradually, mile by mile"
"Yes, but when will it arrive?"
"It's coming, .. gradually, .. "
"But I have waited 4 billion years, when will it arrive?"
"You expect it to get here instantly? Yes it's been 4 billion years in coming, that's why we say it comes gradually, it's coming from far, far away, you expect it to come instantly!?"
"Oh look! Another one just arrived!"
"Where?"
"You missed it. besides, they don't arrive at the station, they just come gradually!"
"So wait, I'm never going to see a train actually arrive at the station?"
"Of course not silly, that's not how it works. If even one train actually arrived at the station, that would actually prove that trains never come, they would just be here, all the trains sitting at the station! That is NOT what we doing here. Here we wait for trains 'gradually coming'. one day, one year, one million years, one billion years, it doesn't matter, here at the Evolution station, the trains NEVER arrive, they just keep coming!"
"What? What the heck am I, the greatest biological scientist doing here waiting then if the train never arrives?"
"That's right, now you're getting it! Now go and tell all your family, your friends and tech this in all the schools, that "the train never arrives at Evolution station, they just keep on coming. That's what all these scientists do here is wait for the trains gradually coming. Think about it silly, if the trains would have arrived, even if ONE train arrived, it wouldn't be coming anymore, and none of these scientists would be "waiting" for the trains. This is the Evolution Station where scientist wait for the coming trains, not for the trains that have arrived, dummy!"

More evidence that you
- have no idea what evolution is actually all about
- have no idea what the implication is of gradual accumulation


Yes I do, see above.
Here is a summary what I have learned from you guys:

"Evolution is the gradual change of one species into another completely different species, over a very long period of time. The species NEVER change into another species because that is NOT what Evolution is. The animals evolve, THAT is what evolution is. The animals evolve for millions and billions of years, this is called Biological Evolution;. Evolving animals, all the animals evolve, but very gradually, that's the reason it's called "evolution"!
No animal of any species ever change into another species, matter of fact, if an animal would change into another species, it would not be called evolution, .. OK children? So what are we talking about?"

"Umm, Evolution Mr. Evolution scientist teacher Pastor Dawkins science- sir!?"

"That's right, NOT change from one species into another because that would be called "change", and would be very un-scientific, but what we teach you little subhuman rats is E-v-o-l-u-t-i-o-n, not speciation! OK, so what are you little chimps you, .. come on, what are you? Ota Benga, can you come up here and bring your little gorilla brother with you and tell us what Evolution is?"

Did I get it right?

Myeah..... I'm gonna call your bluff here.

Yeah, Myeah too. Is'a no kind a scientits ya's expect auv meh, Is'a just a monkey, ya's are all apes.

Humans did not evolve from gorilla's or from rats.
Not sure where you got that, but most certainly not from me.
Most likely, you got it from yet another creationist propaganda channel.


Already told you and illustrated with an analogy to the development of languages how it works: through the gradual accumulation of micro-changes.

Got it, not speciation, not one animal speciating into another, that's silly, but Evolution is about "Gradual accumulation", and that's why I am an evolving ape. (did I do good?)

It's how ancestral primates diversified into chimps, humans and gorilla's.
Just like how ancestral Latin diversified into Spanish, french and portugese.

OK, let me see if I can repeat that back to you: "It's like how ancestral Latin primates, diversified into Spanish chimps, and why German humans call Portuguese gorillas."
By Himmler, I think I got it!?

Again, I'm sorry that you aren't able (or willing) to grasp the implications of gradual accumulation.

If you will continue to insult my intelligence then here is how I will continue to respond to you:

OK, I think I got it, here:
Evolution is about gradual accumulation of all of our common ancestors into the fumigation chambers at the New York Zoo. Never does a gorilla suddenly change into a human, but through gradual chem-trailing, and years of micro-evolution by chemo-therapy and high doses of radiation treatments that changes the evolving rat until they go bara-Big and bara-Bang and do like the dinosaurs did, .. extinct.

Nope. Just informing you on the natural of gradual accumulation.

So why are they chem-trailing us? GM-ing our vegetables, our food supplies, .. what's natural about that? What is 'natural' about Transhumanism, or the Post-human 2.0 project or favoring bionic and robotic extremities over natural selection?

That's not at all what I said.
It seems you have serious reading comprehension issues.

Well no kidding, just imagine how I must feel for evolving for the past 4 billion years as an animal, and never reach that next stage, because now you put a stop to it. saying evolution is just about evolving, not actually changing, And that's why our ancestors are rats, gorillas and great apes, .. all because of science like evolution.

Looking at current gorilla populations, I think it's more likely that they will go extinct rather then live on - let alone speciate.

See, you are mocking me again, so here:
Of course not, gorillas can't speciate or it wouldn't be called evolution. Evolution is a gradual micro-mutation to get better, more complex, which has absolutely nothing to do with gorillas or even apes in general getting smarter, or developing bigger brains, this is science, not millions and billions of years of selection. No one selects a bunch of dark skinned humans to evolve, as long as they play ball for our entertainment, that's all the evolution that they will ever get.

It seems you have your work cut out for you....

I will once again advice you to learn the basics of evolution theory, before continuing. This is pointless.

Oh no, your insults are becoming more and more obvious, .. you are scared, your religion is going to collapse and the whole world will see what Evolution story was really all about.

I just pray to God He will keep me from Evolutionists killing me, because seeing the Lord come from Heaven with that great thunder, and watching Evolutionists run into their caves under the mountains,


and have the Mighty Angels remove those mountains exposing all the atheist-Evolutionists as they look up, and start begging for those mountains to fall on them will be a MasterCard moment for sure!

But of course, I keep praying for you all, who knows, one in a billion???
 
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Some things happen gradually.

Please define the exact point in time when an embryo becomes an adult.
 
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God lord, but this thread has just become a trainwreck.

I've seen some wacky stuff on this site (and especially this sub-forum) but I think this thread takes the cake. I think I might have lost a couple of my brain cells just reading some of the posts in here.
 
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When a plane flies 3000km from point A to point B, does it arrive instantly at point B?
Or does it take time to fly 3000 km and does the plane cover that distance gradually?

So many things wrong with your analogy, first, explain to me starting with the micro evolution,
* tell me what does each color shade represents,

Each color shade of every letter represents a micro alteration of the color of the letter immediatly before it. And this micro-change is past on to the next letter, which comes with its own micro alteration added to it.

It's a gradual accumulation of color changes.
The analogy only shows how gradualism works, what the result is of the gradual accumulation of small changes. And that result is that at no point did "red" turn into "blue".
Instead, there's a smooth transition from red to blue. So smooth, that it is actually rather impossible to pinpoint a single word where you can say "now THIS is the first blue word".

* Macro, .. how many species are we talking about here? Is each shade a different species? You know, like is it;
red = amoeba
blue = human, and all the shades in between are the eight million species living today, is that what you are showing me?


"micro" would be the difference in color between 2 words that are next to eachother.
"macro" would be the difference in color between the very first word and the very last one.

Great, so where is your evolution?

It's an example that illustrates how the gradual accumulation of micro changes inevitably adds up to macro changes after a while. That's it.



If you wish to go out and investigate yourself, the very first step would be to learn what evolution theory actually says and to understand the nature of gradual processes.

Until you do that, there won't be much for you to investigate, because you would have no clue where to actually start.

OK, I had enough of these Dawkins atheistic insults

It's not an insult. Nore is it an "atheistic" thingy.
It's just a biological classification based on specific criteria.
It doesn't make you any less human and it doesn't mean that you should crawl in a tree and start flinging fecies.



I shared the biological definition of "animal". You are free to point out how humans don't fit that definition.

Are you gonna?




When you are asked how physical humans do not fit a certain biological definition, your response should not consists of bible verses.
Instead, your response should consist of pointing out physical properties of humans that don't fit that biological definition.

Can you? Or is your objection based entirely on religious scripture rather then the actual biological make-up of humans?


You know how we create computer worlds (Mine Craft is a good example, my children loved it)

I'm a software engineer. Yes, I have some idea on how this is done.

well where do you think we got that from?

Our own imagination.

That's right, our Heavenly Creator, and we do that by "words", a computer language,

That we invented and developed. And continue to invent and develop.


This is all just preaching.

Emotional reasoning?

Yes....

Your primary objection to humans classifying as animals, is "that's insulting!".
If that isn't an emotional objection, then I don't know what is...


Oh but it IS

It's not.


You atheists believe in Evolution

So does the majority of christians.

What is this "population control" bs huh?

I don't know. I have no idea what you are talking about.

You believe we are over populating the world?

In a sense. Not because of pure numbers, but rather because of how we live. A single human's ecological footprint in this modern and rather wastefull society is pretty huge, you know. But I don't see how that is relevant to the facts of biology.

What vast universe, holding 250 billion galaxies each made up of 200 billion stars are you talking about?

The one we live in.

Look, either we talk of the real world that we all can see, you know, as in science, or I won't respond to you anymore.

Here's a picture known as the Hubble Deep Field:



You don't see individual stars in this. Each of these is an entire galaxy.
And ALL the stuff you see there, is what you find in just ONE tiny spot in the night sky.


Look, God created the Heaven and the Earth.

That is what your religion claims, yes.


Uhu, uhu.

There is NO sci-fi universe, what we look through a telescope in the 2nd heaven is where the stars are. I have a 10" Celestron and seen all the different pretty stars, and they revolve over our earth.

Euh.... did you just say that the stars that we see in the night sky..... orbit the earth?

the ONLY place "planets exist" is in Disney and NASA cartoons and paintings. Oh yeah, and in movies which NASA makes before they plan an imaginary flight to their imaginary planets like Mars, or the moon.

Wow....... just.................... wow!

That's, like..... WOW!
 
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Does spanish, french, portugese and italian derive from Latin, yes or no?​
 
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What planet do you live on?
 
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I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.
 
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Some things happen gradually.

Please define the exact point in time when an embryo becomes an adult.

Sure would feel sorry for that poor woman, .. I pray that an embryo never becomes an adult.

OK, maybe it takes more examples, and since I am having fun pointing out the fantasies in the BB-Evolution stories, here is another (I got millions and billions of them)

Going with your Evolution story:

There are millions of stations (just as your millions of shades between blue and red)
It starts at station "amoeba" in the little town called Amoeba, loads up a family of amoebas and gradually the train starts moving.
It's a very slow train. Next stop is the "Lizard Station" at Lizard City.
The Amoeba train arrives at the Lizard Station, all the amoeba get off and become citizens of that city, they all become Lizards.

The conductor switches the sign to Gorilla and yells: "All aboard who's going to Gorilla city!"
Most of the Lizards stay at Lizard city, but a group of lizards decides to move on, so they board the magic Train, and gradually travel, micro-inch by inch towards Gorilla city.
And in a few million or billion years later they arrive, Pastor Darwin is waiting for them and baptizes (classifies) the Lizards as Gorillas now.

The Conductor Changes the sign to Human, and a group of gorillas decide to move to Human city, so off they go, traveling about 0.00001 inch at a time, and after more billions and thousands of years, finally the family of gorillas arrive at Human city, and who is waiting for them there?
It's none other than; Pastor Richard Dawkins. He baptizes all the Gorillas into Human, and there they live ever after.

Q. When does an amoeba become a human citizen?

A. Never. An Amoeba either stay an amoeba in the town of Amoeba, and those who got on the Lizard Train went and got off Lizard City become lizards. They eat like lizards, drink like lizards and live like lizards because now they are Lizards.

Same with the Lizard to Gorilla family, and likewise with the Gorilla to Human families. None of these ancestors of yours in Gorilla city remain lizards, or Immigration will throw them back to Lizardwille!

But for you guys, something went terribly wrong. Your amoeba train went into the Gotthard Tunnel in Switzerland, and never came out. In there, the train went into an LHC Ouroboros loop, and just keeps going in circles, everyone became confused and stopped evolving, but not only that, you are all amoeba to human at the same time, everyone there is like the shades between red and blue. Neither ape, lizard, amoeba or human, AND are all those at the same time.
There is your Father Time spinning you round and round only briefly stopping at 9 and 11, .. over and over again; 9 and 11, 9-11 and so on as if trying to tell us something, .. reminding us of a horrible sacrifice, (please see example in the YouTube below)
Stuck in this Father-Time warp, you all decided: What the heck, we might as well celebrate Father Time, so here is the video we got back from the celebration!

 
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I've seen some wacky stuff on this site (and especially this sub-forum) but I think this thread takes the cake. I think I might have lost a couple of my brain cells just reading some of the posts in here.

Awesome, it's working!
Don't worry, you won't need those particular brain cells anymore, those are the ones that kept your BB-Evolution Indoctrinations, .. they are the ones kept you from "speciating from animal, particularly ape, to human!", .. and reading my posts they are being burnt up.
Truth coming in, .. and MK-indoctrinations going out,

.. so thank the Lord, you don't have to thank me!
 
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If that's supposed to be an analogy for evolution it's awful. But strawmen are so much more amusing than reality.
 
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When a plane flies 3000km from point A to point B, does it arrive instantly at point B?
Or does it take time to fly 3000 km and does the plane cover that distance gradually?

The fact is that the plane arrives in Phoenix. But your gorilla NEVER arrives into human, they all stay different shades of gorillas. You guys, listening to your Pastor Dawkins admitted over and over again that "Never does one species of animal of ANY peticular kind change into, or speciate into a different species."
You all admit "Evolution Never Happens!"


Exactly, you keep admitting and even showing examples of how Evolution, specifically "speciation" NEVER HAPPENS!
Just like in my clear examples, you just keep reinforcing them. Thank you.

"micro" would be the difference in color between 2 words that are next to each other.
"macro" would be the difference in color between the very first word and the very last one.

Again, if you cant understand something doesn't mean you are correct. I tried and tried to help you out, so here I go again:

Instead of preaching to me, put names of species to all those color gradients, we have 8 million living species to choose from, what you need is less than a hundred that you have in your colorful word example. And maybe, .. hopefully, prayerfully you will see the light!?

It's an example that illustrates how the gradual accumulation of micro changes inevitably adds up to macro changes after a while. That's it.

I understand what you are trying to show me friend, but that is NOT what we see through scientific observation. Besides, without naming each color gradient as either quantum particles, or cells, or animals, you show nothing. What could I, a beginner biological scientist get out of a bunch of color gradients? Or from observing how the French Language evolved?

Like I said, if you call them cells, they remain cells.
Look: Let's take all the nuts and bolts, all the sheets of metal, glass, carpet etc. that's needed to build a car, and put it in a big pile.
From that I can build you a motorcycle.
Now would you call that motorcycle a pile of junk, or a motorcycle?
I can go on adding to that motorcycle till we have a little car. Now what would you call this car, a motorcycle?
So stop with the theatrics, with all the hand waving, you are not that good of a magician, you got all them cards falling out of your sleeve, .. lol.


I know what you are saying, isn't that enough for here? We have everything we need about this Evolution (falsely labeld) theory right under our fingertips, Google it!
And you are saying the same thing that your Pastor Dawkins is saying, that; "No species of animal has ever, nor will they EVER change, speciate, mutate or give birth to another species of animal", which in scientific terms (not according to the Wonderful and magical world of Evolution like Disneyworld) but in science means that Evolution Does NOT Happen, .. never happened and will never happen. Can't get any clearer than that.

It's not an insult. Nor is it an "atheistic" thingy.
It's just a biological classification based on specific criteria.
It doesn't make you any less human and it doesn't mean that you should crawl in a tree and start flinging fecies.

Just how much more historical evidence do you want me to show you regarding how evil, hateful, discriminating, humiliating and dangerous this Evolution Religious Belief System really is?

I shared the biological definition of "animal". You are free to point out how humans don't fit that definition.

Are you gonna?

No, because I agree that the biological definition of an Evolutionist should be "animal", as I have shown you over and over again pointing to History. And yes, unfortunately they were human at one time.


I quoted from the words of the Creator Himself: We were all made from the dust of the earth, but man/human is not categorized as animal, God, and Gods Words hating humans did that. Matter of fact, a man can loose himself and act like an animal just like some of those Evolutionists that have given themselves over to Satan, who make a big party and tie down black youths on a dining table and eat them alive, or those other possessed and/or drugged up humans who attack and eat other humans right out on the streets.
Funny how even Evolutionists will call these animal offspring of theirs: "animals", .. LOL
What do you suppose they meant by that? Don't all carnivores eat meat?

Can you? Or is your objection based entirely on religious scripture rather then the actual biological make-up of humans?

I believe The Creator is referring to man as a biological make-up of human, and to animals as a biological make up of animal. I wasn't referring to Evolution- fairytales of "Long, long time ago of places far, far away" which is the only thing separating Gods biological Creation and Evolution, .. a far fetched, never observed fairytale.
Same with the Big-Bang story.

I'm a software engineer. Yes, I have some idea on how this is done.

Our own imagination.

That we invented and developed. And continue to invent and develop.

Just as our Creator has done, and is doing, .. preparing Mansions for us in Heaven after he destroys our present physical home earth, and this body He made out of quantum dust particles, and puts us in that New upgraded Heavenly home and body!

It's really amazing to me to see intelligent adults like yourself think so childish as to claim that we humans are the only ones who can plan, and intelligently design things, but the things we didn't, or the things we cant even imagine to create, like all the materials for our own creations, .. well that, .. no one did! "That just popped out of nothing, and in nothing it expanded.

It's like watching a stubborn five year old stumping his feet because another person makes better things than what he can.
Like man creates the Honda ASIMO robot copying God's human creation, and claim that; his was intelligently planned out, designed and built which took hundreds of engineers and programmers, over the span of 100 years, .. but the actual human that they are copying: "Oh that thing, that engineer there? Bah, .. just a terrible design because that thing, that, that animal just popped out of a wet muddy puddle, and naturally, over millions and billions and trillions of years it assembled itself through mutation influenced by chaotic events like earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, meteor showers, frozen then overheated and there it is!" Stumps his feet and says: "So there, .. humpf!"

This is all just preaching.

Wow, "just preaching", .. really? I just shown you how we create computer worlds and creatures, and compared it to what the Bible says how God created everything! You being a computer engineer should have jumped out of your skin to have been actually shown such revelation.
Our own little computer worlds, including the people, buildings, ..everything is exactly how God creates (except on an almost infinitely more complex scale), and I could go into this in far greater detail, because in these last days God is revealing more of these things for us. And all you have to say is "This is all just preaching"

Here is preaching:

Big Bang - Wikipedia
The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution - Wikipedia

Lol, .. "from the earliest known, periods", .. yep "known", because this is science speaking, with scientists observing the Big Bang as it happened exactly, .. umm, .. 7, 9, 10, 13, umm 14 billion solar years ago!

"Yes.... carbon dating the redshift tint we get from our radio telescope gives us the exact dates"

Your primary objection to humans classifying as animals, is "that's insulting!".
If that isn't an emotional objection, then I don't know what is...

When you have absolutely no science behind claims, only cruel things like I shown about the aborigines and Ota Benga and many other negroes, ,Indians, Mexicans, Jews and other so called "sub-humans" yes, it is insulting. It has murdered millions of people, and has been, and continued to be used to discriminate. Not only that, but it is the main force behind Chem Trailing, abortion, deforestation, heating up our atmosphere, pollution used to justify these New World shattering Agendas against the very existence of humanity, and all biological life on it.

It's not.

So does the majority of christians.

So what? What does what I tell you here have to do anything with Christians?

I believe in our Infinite Creator, NOT some deified fallen angel (ghost or demon) who resides in the supernatural realm, who divines to mediums witches and warlocks. I believe in Jesus Christ, not some Christian sun-god.
The Christians are the ones who invented the Big Bang story, so of course the majority of Christians believe in the Christian Evolution. Soon, All Christians will believe in it, not just the majority!

I don't know. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Sure you do, "sustainable development", the "Transhumanist Agenda" "Biodiversity" "Recycle", .. surely you heard of the "Recycle Agenda?


and all the other plans to turning all children from the sex they were born with, to the opposite sex so they could no longer reproduce! Renew, .. Recycle, .. kill, mutilate, robotize, brain wash through MK-ultra etc.

In a sense. Not because of pure numbers, but rather because of how we live. A single human's ecological footprint in this modern and rather wastefull society is pretty huge, you know. But I don't see how that is relevant to the facts of biology.

It has everything to do with Biology, .. HPV, flaurix etc. listen to Bill Gates and his extermination plans with a syringe. Evolution story is all about making everyone (all white, and dark skinned labeled sub-human) believe and accept that they are animals, and, as our God given duty to manage and rule over the animals, this nation has chosen itself to do just that.

Look up "Georgia Guide Stones"

The one we live in.

You mean what universe filled with galaxies that you live in, not me. I live on earth, not the heaven where the stars are, and not yet in Gods heaven.

Here's a picture known as the Hubble Deep Field:

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You don't see individual stars in this. Each of these is an entire galaxy.
And ALL the stuff you see there, is what you find in just ONE tiny spot in the night sky.

Oh yes, another "Hubble Artist renderings", what is all this represent? Oh yes, I can see them now: Niflheim, Muspelheim, Asgard, Midgard, Jotunheim, Vanaheim, Alfheim, Svartalfheim, Helheim.

Here is without the Hubble artist dude who works in his little Hubble studio at NASA. His other job is to pick up the Mars Rover in the desert when it gets stuck.


That is what your religion claims, yes.

Uhu, uhu.

It's what we see, what real science claims, .. or what they used to anyways, since now science is dead R.I.P. science.

Euh.... did you just say that the stars that we see in the night sky..... orbit the earth?


Wow....... just.................... wow!

That's, like..... WOW!

No, they revolve around above the earth, to give us a pretty night-light, and so we can navigate.

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If that's supposed to be an analogy for evolution it's awful. But strawmen are so much more amusing than reality.

Well, I'm running out of analogies, so I thought the chu-chu-train example might help?

If you didn't like this one, look at the previous ones,, there is one for all ages, and levels of indoctrination.

It's the same message, it's that; Evolutionists claim evolution/speciation doesn't happen, .. NEVER happens.

Do you believe in Biological Evolution, because as you can see, you would be believing in something that even they admit never happens!?
 
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