Dinosaur Duck Discovered!!

[Speedwell]

What I wonder is where he is getting this stuff. I have never come across such a lurid and grotesque misrepresentation of the theory of evolution in any creationist literature.

 

[Ophiolite]

Ever get the feeling you are teaching kindergarten here?

It is my impression that the majority of children in kindergarten are very keen on learning, so the comparison may be flawed.

 

[The Barbarian]

What I wonder is where he is getting this stuff. I have never come across such a lurid and grotesque misrepresentation of the theory of evolution in any creationist literature.

"Poe" seems to be the most parsimonious conclusion.

 

[Arius]

You are wrong and it clearly shows that you know nothing about the topic.

The Evolution of Empathy

I recommend reading this article if you want to understand how empathy benefits species. But I doubt you will.

Oh no, we are talking about empathy from Evolution perspective, NOT what you actually observed in the finished product! Nice try though.

In Evolution, it is claimed that the brain, influenced by it's environment and the food they ate developed these traits, so empathy is the result of billions of years of environmental imprints on the quantum and cellular level in the body and the brain. So lets start with that, NOT the obvious Creators laws that is evident in all of creation.

That would be like me examining, then claiming that the Honda's ASIMO robot came about from a pile of junk which nature over the millions and billions of years assembled through natural selection, .. LOL. Yeah, we can claim that for any Intelligently Designed and manufactured thing, or being, take the creator right out of the picture, and claim this could come together on its own if we just give it enough time. "It Will Happen!" yeah, riiiight! But me proving this could happen just by natural selection is a whole different ballgame!

Lets go with science, not your Religious beliefs that came about by your Religious Indoctrination (you in general, meaning Evolutionists, nothing personal my friends).

So here is the amoeba (which itself came about by the most idiotic claim like the Big Bang story), and out there is the environment.
The amoeba is not the one choosing what it likes, and what it doesn't like, it is not the one struggling for survival, instead "it IS the result of its environment" and it wouldn't know to eat, drink or sleep if it wasn't its environment influencing it to do so .. remember that it's the environment 'causing' the amoeba to either survive or die. The amoeba is the creation of, and at the mercy of Mother Nature and Father Time, AKA Environment.
Unlike the false claim that animals struggle for survival, bull, .. whatever the environment is, that's what the lifeform will be. Like Pastor Dawkins says; "Man only thinks he has free will, but it is its environment that is dictating his every move". So prove it? (even that would have to come from your environment, see how messed up this whole Evolution idea really is?)

In evolution speciation came about by chaotic events in the environment, which was caused by an explosion 9 billion years before, causing earthquakes which separate entire continents thast floated away (LOL, as if the continents are floating rafts) carrying certain families of amoeba (this goes for all other animals too) from the rest of the group. Then there were the meteor showers blocking the sun, volcano eruptions that again blocked the sun, deep freezes and every other kind of chaotic events that Godless scientists could dream up.
Yet the amoeba didn't die out, contrary to what we observe in the real world, and know that if any thing, or living organisms left alone in a chaotic surrounding, .. die, and NOT evolve to something better. They won't last long enough to produce the next generation.

But hey, lets prove me wrong. We have all these Biospheres where scientists have tried to recreate our earth and its atmosphere, correct? But surprisingly I noticed that they didn't start with their belief in evolution, you know, like starting with a puddle of salty warm water called the primordial soup, instead by carefully following Gods creation of nature as we have it today. And even like this they found that the tiniest deviation from what makes nature work is left out, or just one bug, or even bacteria is introduced without them being monitored by something else to keep them in check, the entire project becomes contaminated and everything rots and dies, and NOT over millions and billions of years, but within months.

That's funny isn't it? Why doesn't things evolve and adapt in chaotic nature, but instead we see that the slightest disharmony and things rust, rot and die really fast.

Like the Leppard that just had to attack and eat the African porcupine, a few stingers stuck in its body, and the beautiful and strong animal died within a few days. Supposedly the species of this creature has survived through all kinds of evolutionary chaos for millions and billions of Carl Sagan years, yet a small stinger from the porcupine killed it overnight!?

So let's talk turkey, you guys show me how from your evolutionary point of view an amoeba that popped out of a wet rock and into a puddle of primordial soup can grow legs, lungs, reproductive organs, a body that consists of trillions upon trillions of cells in perfect harmony that, should even one of them go berserk like a cancer cell, will kill the entire body within months. Yet this evolution claims that the chaotic, and ever changing environment can build this bacteria up to us humans with a brain that can dream, create, and best of all, show love and compassion!? Yes, please show me from the Evolutions standpoint, NOT from the finished product making up every kind of BS you guys can muster.

"Oh" you say, "I don't have millions and billions of years that it would take to prove it to you!" OK, so why don't Evolutionist use the famous IBM Blue Brain computer to simulate this Evolutionary Natural Selection process, huh? It can create a working brain, yet they don't have an Evolution simulation program??

How many millions of computers are out there with Evolutionary Biologists working to prove evolution, .. or the Big Bang? Or predicting which species of animals are ready to speciate into another species???

I'll tell you how many, .. NONE, .. nor One.

Why?

Because no Big Bang Evolutionist would spend a dime, or a minute on such idiotic project, knowing well from observation that any chaotic environment will only bring chaos and death. This goes for any chaotic event like an explosion, no matter what it is, even if you take the most sophisticated thing or animal, blowing it up with a big-bang will not result in anything positive or beneficial, .. not alone exploding a quantum speck of "We don't know what?", .. no matter how long you wait after exploding it. Time will not make any improvement on anything or anyone.

Your article on Empathy is from a Creationists standpoint, looking at awesomely made, intelligently and carefully Designed products doing what they were created to do.

Try again, .. this time showing how creatures that don't yet have empathy. I mean we are all evolving right? And look, it's been 4 billion years already, so you should have a plethora of animals in the last stages in its development of empathy! Hundreds of thousands, even millions of them in the before stages, and the moment where suddenly they show empathy.

Same with those ready to speciate to another completely different species, .. not a different type of finch, but a finch turning into a different species.

Thank you.

 

[Arius]

Wild dogs may not have empathy for the creatures they attack, but they have empathy for other dogs. Without that empathy they would never form the packs that make them so effective.

Excellent observation, now all you have to do is prove to me how Nature influences these dogs to have empathy for their own kind. Please read my last few posts, what I am asking for is in my response to @Skreeper

Thank you my friend.

 

[Skreeper]

Oh no, we are talking about empathy from Evolution perspective, NOT what you actually observed in the finished product! Nice try though.

In Evolution, it is claimed that the brain, influenced by it's environment and the food they ate developed these traits, so empathy is the result of billions of years of environmental imprints on the quantum and cellular level in the body and the brain. So lets start with that, NOT the obvious Creators laws that is evident in all of creation.

That would be like me examining, then claiming that the Honda's ASIMO robot came about from a pile of junk which nature over the millions and billions of years assembled through natural selection, .. LOL. Yeah, we can claim that for any Intelligently Designed and manufactured thing, or being, take the creator right out of the picture, and claim this could come together on its own if we just give it enough time. "It Will Happen!" yeah, riiiight! But me proving this could happen just by natural selection is a whole different ballgame!

Lets go with science, not your Religious beliefs that came about by your Religious Indoctrination (you in general, meaning Evolutionists, nothing personal my friends).

So here is the amoeba (which itself came about by the most idiotic claim like the Big Bang story), and out there is the environment.
The amoeba is not the one choosing what it likes, and what it doesn't like, it is not the one struggling for survival, instead "it IS the result of its environment" and it wouldn't know to eat, drink or sleep if it wasn't its environment influencing it to do so .. remember that it's the environment 'causing' the amoeba to either survive or die. The amoeba is the creation of, and at the mercy of Mother Nature and Father Time, AKA Environment.
Unlike the false claim that animals struggle for survival, bull, .. whatever the environment is, that's what the lifeform will be. Like Pastor Dawkins says; "Man only thinks he has free will, but it is its environment that is dictating his every move". So prove it? (even that would have to come from your environment, see how messed up this whole Evolution idea really is?)

In evolution speciation came about by chaotic events in the environment, which was caused by an explosion 9 billion years before, causing earthquakes which separate entire continents thast floated away (LOL, as if the continents are floating rafts) carrying certain families of amoeba (this goes for all other animals too) from the rest of the group. Then there were the meteor showers blocking the sun, volcano eruptions that again blocked the sun, deep freezes and every other kind of chaotic events that Godless scientists could dream up.
Yet the amoeba didn't die out, contrary to what we observe in the real world, and know that if any thing, or living organisms left alone in a chaotic surrounding, .. die, and NOT evolve to something better. They won't last long enough to produce the next generation.

But hey, lets prove me wrong. We have all these Biospheres where scientists have tried to recreate our earth and its atmosphere, correct? But surprisingly I noticed that they didn't start with their belief in evolution, you know, like starting with a puddle of salty warm water called the primordial soup, instead by carefully following Gods creation of nature as we have it today. And even like this they found that the tiniest deviation from what makes nature work is left out, or just one bug, or even bacteria is introduced without them being monitored by something else to keep them in check, the entire project becomes contaminated and everything rots and dies, and NOT over millions and billions of years, but within months.

That's funny isn't it? Why doesn't things evolve and adapt in chaotic nature, but instead we see that the slightest disharmony and things rust, rot and die really fast.

Like the Leppard that just had to attack and eat the African porcupine, a few stingers stuck in its body, and the beautiful and strong animal died within a few days. Supposedly the species of this creature has survived through all kinds of evolutionary chaos for millions and billions of Carl Sagan years, yet a small stinger from the porcupine killed it overnight!?

So let's talk turkey, you guys show me how from your evolutionary point of view an amoeba that popped out of a wet rock and into a puddle of primordial soup can grow legs, lungs, reproductive organs, a body that consists of trillions upon trillions of cells in perfect harmony that, should even one of them go berserk like a cancer cell, will kill the entire body within months. Yet this evolution claims that the chaotic, and ever changing environment can build this bacteria up to us humans with a brain that can dream, create, and best of all, show love and compassion!? Yes, please show me from the Evolutions standpoint, NOT from the finished product making up every kind of BS you guys can muster.

"Oh" you say, "I don't have millions and billions of years that it would take to prove it to you!" OK, so why don't Evolutionist use the famous IBM Blue Brain computer to simulate this Evolutionary Natural Selection process, huh? It can create a working brain, yet they don't have an Evolution simulation program??

How many millions of computers are out there with Evolutionary Biologists working to prove evolution, .. or the Big Bang? Or predicting which species of animals are ready to speciate into another species???

I'll tell you how many, .. NONE, .. nor One.

Why?

Because no Big Bang Evolutionist would spend a dime, or a minute on such idiotic project, knowing well from observation that any chaotic environment will only bring chaos and death. This goes for any chaotic event like an explosion, no matter what it is, even if you take the most sophisticated thing or animal, blowing it up with a big-bang will not result in anything positive or beneficial, .. not alone exploding a quantum speck of "We don't know what?", .. no matter how long you wait after exploding it. Time will not make any improvement on anything or anyone.

Your article on Empathy is from a Creationists standpoint, looking at awesomely made, intelligently and carefully Designed products doing what they were created to do.

Try again, .. this time showing how creatures that don't yet have empathy. I mean we are all evolving right? And look, it's been 4 billion years already, so you should have a plethora of animals in the last stages in its development of empathy! Hundreds of thousands, even millions of them in the before stages, and the moment where suddenly they show empathy.

Same with those ready to speciate to another completely different species, .. not a different type of finch, but a finch turning into a different species.

Thank you.

Are you trying to write a book or something? At least you could've added a TL;DR at the end for people who don't have the time to read your incoherent rant.

 

[Arius]

LOL, no I am not dangerous. I'm just a big lovable teddy bear kind of guy.

Are you dangerous?

Naww, .. only to Organized Religion.
I'm the "Turn the other cheek" kind of guy ever since I left Religion and have come to know, and accept my Lord Jesus Christ. Now my life is in His hands, and with all the dangers I face daily, he is doing a great job in protecting me!

I'm fearless, does that make me dangerous?

Love you man!

 

[Arius]

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What the heck did I just read?

Exactly my sentiment.
Did I write it too fast? I'll try to type slower next time, .. LOL.

 

[Skreeper]

I'm fearless, does that make me dangerous?

Some people on this site actually claim to talk to Jesus and hear his voice. Are you one of those people?

I'm asking because that is what could make you dangerous. What would you do if the voice you thought was Jesus commands you to gut your child to show your commitment and faith in the Lord?

 

[Arius]

Arius, I made my offer to assist you in understanding the theory of evolution in good faith.

I responded to you politely and respectfully, hoping to receive a reply in a similar vein.

I gave an example that provided, in my view, a very effective analogy, specifically to help you recognise a particular misunderstanding in your thinking regarding the TOE. I offered this, also, in good faith.

I did not expect, nor do I welcome, a response that seemed filled with vitriol, attacked further strawmen and resonated with sarcasm and bitterness.

I am especially disappointed that you seem to believe my aim is to convince you as to the accuracy of the TOE. I specifically addressed that in my post. You have a right to believe what you wish. You do not, however, have a right to insist upon your misunderstandings of the TOE. It is to remove those misunderstandings I was willing to work with you, via discussion on this thread. I am still willing to do so, but in a spirit of mutual respect. I look to a concilatory response from your good self, so that I can then reply appropriately, and I hope informatively, to the one relevant question from your post and to any other you choose to ask.

I am so sorry my friend @Ophiolite I did NOT mean to insult you, just this Evolution falsely labeled theory hoping to show just how ridiculous it really is.
My apologies if I came across as if I was insulting you personally, I wasn't.

This is a war between God and His creation which I consider myself to be, and labeling me, or humans in general as animals, especially apes (as I have shown in previous debates here) to me is a great insult, and top of that, to falsely label this in-scientific story a "theory" of Evolution, I felt needs to be addressed, which I am willing to prove that it is nothing but a Religion against science. Especially since this, .. umm, I will just say "Dangerous Religion" has claimed to represent science, when as I have shown is a "grave robbing, skull and bones worshipping anti-Creator, anti-God Religion".

And I am also telling you the truth that I thought you were insulting me with the color gradient, which I responded to, nothin personal, really.

I asked if these different color gradients being thrown at me represents speciation or not?
You didn't answer.
So please, tell me: Is the blue to red (or whatever two colors you guys use?) supposed to be two completely different species, like for instance
blue=gorilla and
red=human, .. and the millions of colors in-between the two showing different "kind" of gorillas, and different "kind" of humans?

Again, I am sorry my friend.

To show you I am real, here is my name
Odon Sabo
My phone number, even if I get some crank calls, or even threatening ones I wouldn't mind since having a chance to meet someone live from a debating sight, even if just on the phone would be worth it! This goes for anyone here.
(480) 603-7407

God bless you.

 

[Arius]

Some people on this site actually claim to talk to Jesus and hear his voice. Are you one of those people?

I'm asking because that is what could make you dangerous. What would you do if the voice you thought was Jesus commands you to gut your child to show your commitment and faith in the Lord?

Ah yes, .. I know exactly what you mean! So True!!
The answer is no, I don't hear voices, but I have this feeling that God, or Jesus, or Angels are always with me, especially when I'm in great danger, which was practically always throughout my life.

My talking to God, or my Lord Jesus Christ, (so far anyways) starts and ends with the Bible. Which means that, anything I want to know, any information I receive through reading or talking to you good people, I cross reference with the Bible that's already in my mind and heart, so yeah, I guess in that way I do talk to God, and He does talk to me. There is no secrets between me and God, you can listen in on our conversation also, just pop open the Bible and you too will be in our conversation.

So that should answer your question regarding if I was to hear voices to gut my child, Biblically that would not happen anymore, that is God talking to us. You see God doesn't talk to people anymore using either Angels, or like the wind, or thunder as He used to, now He sent His Holy Spirit to be right here in our hearts and minds as soon as we need him. He no longer requires a sacrifice from us, He gave us His Son remember? So that ends any request for animal sacrifice.

If you are talking about Abraham and Isaak, maybe I can explain in another debate. Start a New Topic on that and let me know, OK?

God NEVER would accept a human sacrifice even in the Old Testament. So if anyone claims to have seen and touched God, and having talked to God in person, I would consider them dangerous, because as I said, God doesn't do that anymore like He used to with His Prophets, and even His Apostles. But we do hear these claims from Christians, NDE's and just seeing and talking to God in a trance, .. like the Jesuit Priest George Lemaitre who heard a Big Bang that created a universe while, .. I don't know, but I do know Jesuits in those days used to whip themselves and starve themselves in prayer, so demonic spirits could have come to tell him things.

If the requests are not written in the Bible, it's not true, you are being possessed. And the main reason Christians see and hear whom they think is God but is not, is because Christians all worship Deities, deified beings, either man like the Pope, or beings in the supernatural realm, which if they read the Bible should know are Fallen angels, demons who speak through mediums, Diviners.

God bless you, hope that answers your worries about me.

 

[Arius]

Rather than misquote Dawkins, it would be more honest to use what he actually said - that we are 'distant cousins' of rats (and other creatures). He didn't say we evolved from them.

Arrogant and mocking dismissal of a theory based on misquotes and what appears to be a comprehensive lack of understanding of it, speaks volumes about your approach to the discussion.

Arrogant and mocking? I have shown you how Evolutionist took aborigines, .. and black pigmies from Africa and put them in zoos to show how we evolved from gorillas, I have also shown how Communism was built on Evolution which caused millions and millions of deaths, many in the most horrific ways too, and evolutionists call me an animal, an ape and I'm the one being arrogant and mocking??

OK, so now we didn't evolve from; rats, then gorillas, then this mysterious creature he calls the "Common Ancestor"?

Evolution:
1. the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
2. the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"

So the rat, the gorilla, the animal he calls common ancestor are not "earlier forms"?? Can you please explain this to me my friend FrumiousBandersnatch?

Thank you.

 

[Arius]

Not a single "monkey" is depicted on that tree.
At least not, if we are going to use correct terminology.

Exactly.

Maybe in every-day language at the bar.
Not so much if you care about using correct terminology.
A chimp is not a monkey.

Ape vs Monkey - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Oh I see, so I don't have a right to call a chimp a monkey but it's ok for Evolutionists to label me as an animal, and call me an ape, and call my ancestors rats, right? How ironic.

It doesn't matter what Darwin said. If it's wrong, it's wrong.

Amen, so when are you leaving this discriminating, dangerous and evil Religion that Darwin invented?

The fact is that all homo sapiens are "just as evolved".
A white caucasian is related to chimps and gorilla's in the exact same way as the blackest of africans or aboriginals.

We all come from the same ancestral homo sapiens population.

Says your grave robbing, skull & bones worshipping science/truth hating Evolution Religion.

I asked you guys to show me ONE, just ONE recorded species speciating (not evolving since you say now that no animal evolves into another species) so speciating into the next better, more advanced species?
Let's start with the animal Dawkins calls "Common Ancestor", why do you guys keep avoiding this request of mine?

You guys show me color gradients, but can't associate it with your Evolution story. I asked now a bunch of times:
from Red to Blue, if Red is a gorilla, and blue is a human, what is the color of this animal called "Common Ancestor"? Is it purple?
And if it is, then what species is "purple", .. gorilla or human? Why won't you guys answer me, .. I thought Evolution was fact? Or it's fact ONLY in your Religion? Then why are you guys teaching this as science and forcing your religion on me and my children? That is what I am against, not you or anyone here. I love you all.

This white European does.
Most white Europeans do, actually.
Including those at the Vatican.

Not the German Europeans, the other whites do because they too are considered sub-human races and are included in the Agenda 21, 2030 population reduction, Sustainable Development Plan.
As for the Vatican, they are the ones who invented the Big Bang Evolution story, so of course they would say they believe humans are animals. The RCC history is no secret to anyone.

It's hard to take you seriously, when you say things like that.

Homo Sapiens is an animal in the biological sense.
In day-to-day english, an animal is "any organism belonging to the kingdom of animalia, except humans".

But humans most definatly belong to the kingdom of animalia. We sure as hell aren't plants...........

OK, who will determine what we humans are, is it Darwin who was born in 1809 and hated dark colored people, or the Bible which is the history of man from the Creator Himself?

This is like asking about the evolution of the Ford Motorcar, who would you go to, to learn about it? Some punk kid who was born 20 years ago, who looked at all the different Ford cars today and claimed they all evolved from a wet salty rock on their own, influenced by the weather, or a book that was written from the words of Mr. Ford himself detailing in what manner and even why he created the cars?

There are plants, animals and us humans. Us humans were created in the Creators image, and if you look, it makes sense. We intelligently design and create things, and our Creator God Intelligently designed and created everything that we didn't, so we too can create things like our Creator can.

To say that we can I.D. and create things, but all the far more, infinitely more complex things that we didn't create, well that just popped out of nothing and created itself. Really now, sounds just like that punk arrogant kid I just mentioned, doesn't it?

Yes, it's called racism.

When you are discussing facts of reality, like Australopethicus fossils, then your response should not consist of a bunch of bible quotes.

Really? Tell me, who named all the animals (taxonomy)? Can those fossilized skull and bones the Religious Evolutionary zealots dug up from the graves tell you that?
How? Like witches do by shaking them up in their hands along with;
fillet of a fenny snake, In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and owlet's wing, .. and there is Evolution in a nutshell. If I don't accept it, then I hate science, right-o!

No. The Bible has all the answers to major questions. We then have science, which is "observing the world around us" in the here and now, NOT making up never observed "millions and billions of years ago stories" of how this bone used to live, eat and evolve from this other bone.
If you claim something like that, show it.
Show how the amoeba turns into a species, or a gorilla turning into a human. 8 million living species that you claim are evolving as we speak, and have been evolving for 4 BILLION years, yet you guys cant show ONE speciating??

Not only that, but claim that "No animal of one species will EVER speciate into another species in their lifetime" that "That is NOT how evolution works!"
So I ask, "Then How does it work?"
And what do you guys show me? dried up bones, fossils; "Here, see this jaw bone here of a gorilla, and this other jaw bone here of a human? THERE YOU GO, this here gorilla jaw bone evolved into that there human jawbone"
Now HOW on Gods Flat Earth am I supposed to accept that garbage?
Oh yeah, first I would have to accept that I am a subhuman who lives on an insignificant speck of a globe, spinning and twirling through a cold dark vacuum of an infinite space, where I am an animal who is no different than all the other apes, .. and once I accept that, I guess I will accept everything else you guys tell me.
Show me speciation, not bones or color gradients between two colors!?

Instead of responding to this nonsense, I'll just give you a bit of advice....

Learn what evolution actually is all about, before trying to argue against it. Because at this point, there is so much you are wrong about that every sentence you write, would require half an essay to correct for all the mistakes, misunderstandings and strawmen.

Tell me, how many surgeons on humans study animal bones before they start doing surgery on our bones? That's why we have Veterinarians, for animals, and surgeons for us humans. No one that I ever known has ever gone to a vet when they were sick. I dare you tell a sick person to go to a vet and see how they respond?
Why? Because we are NOT animals.

This whole Evolution garbage is totally useless, and costing humanity billions of dollars, and caused millions upon millions of human deaths since its conception. It never helped anyone to be labeled an animal, but even after 200 years it offends anyone, Evolutionist or not, who is called an animal.
Taxonomy is another thing, but the knowledge that a bird evolved from a lizard, or that their ancestors were rats and gorillas does not offer help to anyone. Only insult and degradation, not evolution. It stupefies people.

 

[Skreeper]

God NEVER would accept a human sacrifice even in the Old Testament.

Have you not read Judges 11? Jephthah sacrifices his virgin daughter as thanks to God for helping him defeat the Ammonites.

 

[xianghua]

That would be like me examining, then claiming that the Honda's ASIMO robot came about from a pile of junk which nature over the millions and billions of years.

good point. see this thread: the self replicating watch argument

 

[Arius]

Do you understand how the word "gradual" is in contradiction with the words "at a specific moment in time flipped the switch"?

No, .. do you have one of those gradual light switches for your dining room?
Tell me, can you tell when the light is on, and when it's off?
If you can, how, since its "gradual", from dark to light!?
Yet here we are, once that switch turns the light ON, even if its all the way on low it is ON.

That's neat. But reality doesn't depend on your emotional objections or wants or needs or likes.

No, I guess it doesn't. Poor Ota Benga and millions of black slaves throughout US history proves that, including my ancestors on my mothers side who were labeled rats and exterminated with rat poison. But this doesn't mean we should accept this horrific reality that this Religion has brought upon us, does it?
"Life is what you make it, always has been, always will be" - Eleanor Roosevelt

Again, your emotional objections have no bearing on reality.
Your comment about Hitler is irrelevant as well - as nazi's were animals as well.

That I will have to agree on, or at least they didn't act like humans, maybe they are of another species, maybe the fallen angel mix, hybrids??

All humans are.

Speak for yourself, everyone I know, including some atheist friends of mine like to remain referred to as human, go to human doctors not to a Veterinarian.

The fact of the matter is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to come up with a definition that describes what an "animal" is, which includes all animals, but does not include humans, without explicitly adding "...but not humans".

Because humans simply ARE animals. It's as simple as that.

animal
ˈanɪm(ə)l/
noun
noun: animal; plural noun: animals

1. 1.
   a living organism which feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

Humans are living organisms. We feed on organic matter. We have specialised sense organs. We have a nervous system. We are able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

Here's a more detailed biological definition:

Animal
From Biology-Online Dictionary

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Definition

noun, plural: animals

A living organism belonging to Kingdom Animalia that possess several characteristics that set them apart from other living things, such as:

(1) being eukaryotic (i.e. the cell contains a membrane-bound nucleus) and usually multicellular (unlike bacteria and most protists, an animal is composed of several cells performing specific functions) (
2) being heterotrophic (unlike plants and algae that are autotrophic, an animal depends on another organism for sustenance) and generally digesting food in an internal chamber (such as a digestive tract)
(3) lacking cell wall (unlike plants, algae and some fungi that possess cell walls)
(4) being generally motile, that is being able to move voluntarily
(5) embryos passing through a blastula stage
(6) possessing specialized sensory organs for recognizing and responding to stimuli in the environment

You are free to point out how we humans do not fit that definition.

Same Creator of both, similar design, same material too as we can see after we die and turn back to dust, but one was to dominate, or "rule over" the other. This is why we have animals as pets, but no animal has humans for pets.
Humans were created for a very different purpose, we are creators, and animals are for food, and to use as we wish. I'm sorry that Evolutionists can't see that when even an infant can tell the difference between the 8 million species of animals and humans!?

Most people are smart enough to know that words can have different meanings in different contexts.

My Lord, so you don't see that categorizing and associating humans with animals is a terrible idea, especially in the scientific sense!?

I mean let's hope that if you seen a mutilated human on the side of the road, you wouldn't call animal clean up as you would for an animal carcass!? Or take your kids to a vet instead of a human doctor!?
I mean think about it from the Evolutionist perspective, wouldn't it make more sense to take your kids to a vet who specializes in 8 million different animal species over a normal doctor who only specializes in one, specifically human?? Yet I bet even you wouldn't think of that.

The use of the word "animal" is dependend on context.
When talking biology, an animal is an organism that fits the above definition.
When talking day-to-day english, an animal is any organism that fits the above definition except humans.

Now Isn't that special? If you are an animal, you should be an animal in every context, just like the 8 million other animals. What makes you so special? Isn't that what Evolutionists push, that Creastionists think they are special, that's why they don't want to be associated with animals?
What hypocrisy in this Religion!

- reproduce with variation
- survive
- repeat

Yes, .. and after doing this for a billion years, since you guys claim that no animal turns into another species in their lifetime, .. you would have exactly what we have today, humans with variations living on different continents.
Or like the domestic dogs, cats, horses, pigeons, they all remain the same species that they originally were created for; "after their kind".
Explain to me how, or when one species has EVER speciated into another species? You can't. Why? Because it's exactly as you said, time only gives us variations, and NOT different species. You guys even admit it can never happen!

If they would not remain such, evolution would be false.

LOL, .. just how brainwashed do you Evolutionist take us for? This only works on those already indoctrinated in Religion, not me. I'm a scientist, not a Sci-Fientist. I can't believe Dawkins gets away with this?

See this is why I adviced you to inform yourself on at least the basics of evolution.

THIS IS about Evolution, speciation, where you call my ancestors gorillas and even rats! Why can't you guys tell me this you call a very BASIC question regarding Evolution? How would a species that remains the same species after billions of years of "variations" justify your Evolution?
Right here you admit that Evolution is a lie! And the guts to call it science, is nothing short of blasphemy!

Humans are not descendents of gorilla's. They share ancestors with gorilla's.
Having said that, your absurd "flow of events" is just that: absurd.

It is clear that you really have no idea what you are talking about.
I advice, again, to learn a bit of the basics before continuing this discussion.
It is useless at this point.

And once again you admit that Evolution story is just that, a fantastic story with absolutely no scientific evidence to back it up. You just admitted that no gorilla ever speciated no matter how many billions of years has passed by, so as the Bible says, each animals remains within it's kind, but with increasing numbers of variations!

Evolution story is a lie, . why don't you guys just admit it!? And you teach this to your children as science? I really feel sorry for them, I will pray for you my friend! All of you who are stuck in Religion, especially this dangerous one.

It's like you can't get ANYTHING right....
Individuals don't evolve. Populations do. Gradually.

Well then this should be really easy to detect, so when is the next population of gorillas going to evolve to the point they speciate into the next species? Or any of the 8 million other species? Has evolution stopped since I've been debating it? sure seems like it!

Just like a Latin speaking mother has never raised a Spanish speaking child. Just like no Latin speaking individual invented Spanish overnight.

No, they just stopped at Splatinish. Show me the population of Splatinish speaking people?
Or the Gorilaman since we already have the Crocaduck, .. or is it Dinoduck?

Instead, the language of a Latin speaking population turned into Spanish gradually over many generations. And at no point in this history was there a generation that spoke a different language then the generation that immediatly preceeded it.

I speak three languages, in Hungarian there is this Hungarian language that when I went back to visit, couldn't make any of it out. I was told it was a very ancient Hungarian that only a small group speaks anymore, mostly to keep it alive.
It is still Hungarian, and the people who speak it are called Hungarians. You can trace every word from the New modern Hungarian back to this old one, and within this small country the size of Arizona there are still all the variations between the New and the Old Hungarian languages, just as we see the millions of human variations.

What I ask for is to show me all this living variations between gorilla and human, you should be able to do that with every one of the 8 million species of animals.
But you don't even have two, .. no, not even ONE between gorilla and human, not alone the millions that should be present between gorilla and human including every other species of animals.

Every creature ever born, was of the same species as its parents.
Just like every human ever born, ended up speaking the same language as its parents.

Another words Evolution is B.S., no animal ever speciate to a different species where this one can no longer reproduce with its ancestor. As you keep saying, they vary, just like we see dogs, horses pigeons etc. they all remain after their kind, and never so different that they would be considered a different species where they cant reproduce.

Yet Latin, over the course of 2000 years, turned into French, Italian, Spanish, Portugese...
All "roman languages". But all different languages.
A latin speaking individual of ancient Rome would not understand the french from the 21st century, except a few words left and right. Not enough for a proper conversation.

Evolution of life isn't any different.

Look my friend, I know exactly what you are saying, and like the globe earth spinning through the vacuum of infinite space, I used to believe and defend it. And it does sound convincing, and heck, even possible, for all things are possible with God, so why not Evolution?
But here is the problem, while this makes sense in languages, and maybe even color gradients between two colors, but that is NOT what we see between animals.
You guys claim it's been 4 billion years right? We have 8 million living species. Now look at a whale, then look at a lizard or a croc, if you claim that the whale have these vestigial legs, (yet like our tonsils are extremely important) we should see all the in-between species. How can a whale have survived millions and millions of years through loosing it's legs, yet not one of the millions of in-between whales survived? How did todays whale survive? How did we humans survive, and only the gorilla, the chimp the bonobo, which are different species are still evolving!!!

Same with gorillas to human, rats to gorillas etc. does these different species you see today show gradual to you? I mean we should see at least the variations that we see in dogs and horses and other domesticated animals, yet they are the same species, so the "amount of living animal variations" between two species like the gorilla and human should be even greater! Like that color gradient, millions of colors between like red and green, or red and blue, yet they don't exist, so you guys fill them in with fossils, dried up bones which I could sculpture any creature I want to "look" like a transition. Like the pigs jaw bones that was faked as a missing link between human and gorilla.

So WHAT happened? Did the female gorilla give birth to a white girl

As explained above: no.

OK, you want to play stubborn, fine.
Did the "population" of gorillas, that looked almost like humans, played with fire and rolled wheels around their cave trying to figure out what to use it for, one day after 9 months carrying a baby give birth to a bunch of humans, a different species that could no longer reproduce with ANY of the gorillas in ANY of their previous populations?

(Dawkins depiction in the video) or did the gorilla father and mother overnight change into humans who started the human race?

No.

Did the Population of Gorilla fathers and mothers change overnight into humans who started the human race, no longer being able to reproduce with ANY of their previous populations, going back millions of years where they first were identified as gorillas?

Fact, two gorillas can't produce a human baby.

Correct.

So, .. either both male and female gorillas had to change human overnight, or give birth to human twins, a girl and a boy.
I'm just asking: "Which is it?"

Neither.

again, So, .. either a population of both male and female gorillas had to change human overnight, or the whole population of these "almost human gorillas" gave birth to human twins, a girl and a boy.

Which is it? No matter how much a population changed, they had to change to a point where they were no longer gorillas, and could no longer reproduce with their own species, where they were no longer gorilla, but human.

Saying rats stayed rats, gorillas stayed gorillas with varying populations, none of the populations no matter how different they became never speciated into any other species, can ONLY mean ONE thing, "Evolution never happened", .. period.

So either you tell me what happened with that gorilla population that over the billions of years varied to almost human, or admit Evolution never happened!? Which you already admitted several times in your above responses. I just would like some honesty and admit it?

 

[Arius]

Have you not read Judges 11? Jephthah sacrifices his virgin daughter as thanks to God for helping him defeat the Ammonites.

LOL, yeah God can't help idiots. No one asked him to do such idiotic thing, especially our Creator who so loved us that He gave His own begotten Son, who also loved us where he was willing to give himself over to be crucified.

What was even more terrible is that Jephthah had time to think it over while his daughter mourned with her friends, and plenty of time to pray and ask God: "God, did you let me win because I offered a sacrifice, or you would have helped me win either way, because you loved me?"

God would have responded: "What did you say? Do you actually think you can buy me, or bribe me you fool?"

You see God doesn't take rewards or payment for doing things for us, what a foolish man he was. He thought he was dealing with one of his compadres: "I'll rub your back if you rub mine" kind of human dealings. God doesn't need anything from us, only that we show our love towards one another, that is enough for Him to see that we love Him too.

 

[Skreeper]

LOL, yeah God can't help idiots. No one asked him to do such idiotic thing, especially our Creator who so loved us that He gave His own begotten Son, who also loved us where he was willing to give himself over to be crucified.

What was even more terrible is that Jephthah had time to think it over while his daughter mourned with her friends, and plenty of time to pray and ask God: "God, did you let me win because I offered a sacrifice, or you would have helped me win either way, because you loved me?"

God would have responded: "What did you say? Do you actually think you can buy me, or bribe me you fool?"

You see God doesn't take rewards or payment for doing things for us, what a foolish man he was. He thought he was dealing with one of his compadres: "I'll rub your back if you rub mine" kind of human dealings. God doesn't need anything from us, only that we show our love towards one another, that is enough for Him to see that we love Him too.

I guess this confirms that you've not read that passage or simply didn't understand it. What a shame.

 

[Arius]

good point. see this thread: the self replicating watch argument

Yes, looks interesting, I will look into it more, and that other post you made.

Thanks.

 

[Arius]

I guess this confirms that you've not read that passage or simply didn't understand it. What a shame.

Judges 11New King James Version (NKJV)

Jephthah’s Vow and Victory
29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, and passed through Mizpah of Gilead; and from Mizpah of Gilead he advanced toward the people of Ammon. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, “If You will indeed deliver the people of Ammon into my hands, 31 then it will be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the people of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering.”

32 So Jephthah advanced toward the people of Ammon to fight against them, and the Lord delivered them into his hands. 33 And he defeated them from Aroer as far as Minnith—twenty cities—and to Abel Keramim, with a very great slaughter. Thus the people of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

I read the Bible, I know this by heart, what is it that you think I missed?

Where does God answer Jephthah's offer of burnt offering? Obviously the Lord was already with him, look, he was advgancig with the Spirit of God with him:

Judges 11:9 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed through Gilead and Manasseh, and passed through Mizpah of Gilead; and from Mizpah of Gilead he advanced toward the people of Ammon.

it is here that now he decides to be gracious to God in his own ignorant way, "then it will be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me" this is where his character is showing which was:

Judges 11:3 Then Jephthah fled from his brothers and dwelt in the land of Tob; and worthless men banded together with Jephthah and went out raiding with him.

Who would come out of his house to greet him but his sons, or his wife or his sweet daughter, who else right? So this guy was off a little bit to think that God would be pleased with him offering one of his family members to God. He could have offered a goat, or a fatted calf.