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ESO - eso1217 - Serious Blow to Dark Matter Theories?

"The most accurate study so far of the motions of stars in the Milky Way has found no evidence for dark matter in a large volume around the Sun. According to widely accepted theories, the solar neighbourhood was expected to be filled with dark matter, a mysterious invisible substance that can only be detected indirectly by the gravitational force it exerts. But a new study by a team of astronomers in Chile has found that these theories just do not fit the observational facts. This may mean that attempts to directly detect dark matter particles on Earth are unlikely to be successful."

Such a fine line between ecstasy and self-satisfied.

Some might speak of another nail in the coffin of big bang. Hardly. That theory has always been more like the undead than a real body that could die. Best Bob Hope movie line - YouTube It was never supposed to be an actual quantity, but a ghost story we tell to scare the kids.

Like Government accounting. Like Al Queda. A mental construct, Neo.

Agent Smith and Cypher - YouTube

Better yet. A policy. An incentive or tax credit to balance out the objectionable part of a free market, namely the free part. Monty Python Communist Quiz sketch - YouTube

Or, carbon is black, then dark like carbon, or the purchase of carbon credits. A place to put your money where your mouth is, even if you are talking absolute hogwash.

Or an indulgence. Eliot Sptizer was a moron. If only he had bought the indulgences or "John" offset credits. http://www.fredstates.com/images/239988392v3_240x240_Front.jpg Dark matter buys back your soul from oppressive truths that fly in the face of orthodoxy.

So, there was never anything to find. There is no reason to look for dark matter. It is an idea, which is very pretty to think. If enough people think it, the prettier it gets. And the ugly inconsistencies go away. All you do is dumb it down a bit. Even if being dim has no mass.
 
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Hey BD,

It's been a while, glad to see your still into the Creationist Cosmology thing...whatever that is. ;)

So how you been?

Been doing well, thank you very much. How are you? Still active duty?

The Cosmology thing has gotten lost in a lot of other happenings. Its funny that there is a Christianity section on an investing website, and it is all far more polite than what happens here. And people know how to take a joke, like this one.

I am amazed at what a trooper you are on these issues. But, then, you are a "trooper" as in soldier.

I am looking around at a host of issues where the consensus on what is happening in the world is just meshugga. I find so many parallels between finance and science. It is never so much about the truth, as in whether a financial entity deserves to fail, but more about whether it is "too big to fail." The science behind Big Bang and evolution is exactly the same thing.

Every fundamental right is now negotiable, again, just like the truth of the Bible. Go along to get along by giving up your rights and giving up the truth.

What a time we live in.
 
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So, there was never anything to find. There is no reason to look for dark matter. It is an idea, which is very pretty to think. If enough people think it, the prettier it gets. And the ugly inconsistencies go away. All you do is dumb it down a bit. Even if being dim has no mass.

Sounds familiar. The difference being, when a scientific theory is established, scientists don't think, "well, that's a nice idea, and it fits with my general outlook on life, perfect, lets move on".
No, they and their colleagues work their hardest to disprove the theory to see if it still holds any weight. There are two main views of the world, and one involves the scientific method, the same method used to ensure your computer works and is connected to the internet, that you have different colours in your clothes, you are able to drink clean water everyday of your life and that your t.v works when you turn it on. You owe your life as you live it now, to science. This exact same scientific method is used to study our world and the universe it resides in, it is the only and therefore best way of examining, testing and providing answers for, the biggest, most profound questions we can think of. Just imagine a day in your life, and how much you owe to science, things which have been theorised, then created, then tested countless times to ensure they work perfectly for you and can therefore live a comfortable existence. Then I would like you to think twice about making fun and sneering at these brilliant people, doing the same thing you are doing, just trying to make sense of where we are and what all of this is.

For some reason your 'God' chose not to give the answers to everyone, some people are still looking, so please enlighten us.
 
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No, they and their colleagues work their hardest to disprove the theory to see if it still holds any weight.
Since man's theory is held together with both the Tooth Fairy (dark matter) and the Easter Bunny (dark energy) which together supposed be 25 times greater than actually matter I wonder what would it take to disprove a theory. I would hate to be in a boat or airplane that's made of 4% matter and 96% imaginary stuff.
 
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Since man's theory is held together with both the Tooth Fairy (dark matter) and the Easter Bunny (dark energy) which together supposed be 25 times greater than actually matter I wonder what would it take to disprove a theory. I would hate to be in a boat or airplane that's made of 4% matter and 96% imaginary stuff.

You are suggesting that scientists just make things up and then live their lives by them, yet cannot follow the links between that and your man made religion complete with imaginary man in the sky.

Scientists change their opinion according to evidence, belief dismisses evidence to maintain a world view that suits the individual.

Dark matter is a theory that scientists are attempting to prove false, God is a theory that man is clinging onto with everything they have lest it inconvenience their life and they have to look for different answers.
 
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You are suggesting that scientists just make things up and then live their lives by them, yet cannot follow the links between that and your man made religion complete with imaginary man in the sky.

Scientists change their opinion according to evidence, belief dismisses evidence to maintain a world view that suits the individual.

Dark matter is a theory that scientists are attempting to prove false, God is a theory that man is clinging onto with everything they have lest it inconvenience their life and they have to look for different answers.
You do know dark matter and dark energy is nothing but fudge? It's the (huge) fudge factor that's required to make the theory's math work.
 
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You do know dark matter and dark energy is nothing but fudge? It's the (huge) fudge factor that's required to make the theory's math work.

It might be, but do you think that if it is proven false the only other alternative is a 'God'? because, guess what, that still needs an awful lot of evidence because right now we have nothing.

Disproving the opposing theory does not make the other one right, it still needs evidence, I have noticed lots of people on this forum trashing science in general, but it is the only and therefore best way of studying our world and the universe, until people come up with a better method, we will stick with it.
 
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It might be, but do you think that if it is proven false the only other alternative is a 'God'? because, guess what, that still needs an awful lot of evidence because right now we have nothing.

Disproving the opposing theory does not make the other one right, it still needs evidence, I have noticed lots of people on this forum trashing science in general, but it is the only and therefore best way of studying our world and the universe, until people come up with a better method, we will stick with it.
So you think the alternative to dark matter is God? I think the alternative to dark matter/energy is man's theory (Big Bang) is a butch of non-sense. I as a Christians believe God is bigger and beyond man's theories.
 
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So you think the alternative to dark matter is God? I think the alternative to dark matter/energy is man's theory (Big Bang) is a butch of non-sense. I as a Christians believe God is bigger and beyond man's theories.

I as an Atheist believe 'God' is the ultimate and most deluded of man's theories.

I don't think the alternative to anything is God, because I do not claim knowledge it is impossible to know. Unlike you.
 
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I as an Atheist believe 'God' is the ultimate and most deluded of man's theories.

I don't think the alternative to anything is God, because I do not claim knowledge it is impossible to know. Unlike you.
It's impossible to falsify a fudge factor like dark matter/energy. Scientist are trying to prove it's existence to save their theory from the math. The story and the math isn't adding up.
Also I disagree it's impossible to know God.
 
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It's impossible to falsify a fudge factor like dark matter/energy. Scientist are trying to prove it's existence to save their theory from the math. The story and the math isn't adding up.
Also I disagree it's impossible to know God.

You don't seem to read my words very carefully do you? I have been reading yours with great care, but yet they're hard to follow, structurally and grammatically.

You believe God exists? if yes, you are claiming knowledge it is impossible to know.
 
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Coveredinbees do you believe by blind faith that in the unobserved past and contrary to every observed law of nature in documented history (aka its impossible) that inorganic matter (rock) turned into "life"?

Wiki-Abiogenesis or biopoiesis is the study of how biological life could arise from inorganic matter through natural processes
 
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