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Difficult 'slavery in bible' question

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Saved_from_flames

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Hola!

As a reletively new follower of Christ; I'm experiencing some problems with my non-believeing friends. One in particular does not seem bothered about the proofs and truths behind God and Christ; she keeps going back to slavery in the OT; in Exodus, etc.

I've tried to explain that the bible does not CONDONE slavery; it accepts it as part of the world; a world of sin.

She still comdemns God as immoral; despite the sacrifice of Jesus!

Am I missing something? Anybody out there have some advice on this issue to convince my friend?

Cheers!
 

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Saved_from_flames said:
Hola!

As a reletively new follower of Christ; I'm experiencing some problems with my non-believeing friends. One in particular does not seem bothered about the proofs and truths behind God and Christ; she keeps going back to slavery in the OT; in Exodus, etc.

I've tried to explain that the bible does not CONDONE slavery; it accepts it as part of the world; a world of sin.

She still comdemns God as immoral; despite the sacrifice of Jesus!

Am I missing something? Anybody out there have some advice on this issue to convince my friend?

Cheers!

It's not possible for God to be immoral, for originally it's only what He says and He shows us that is good.
But people like to use some of Gods morals and then reject the rest calling themselves moral, but really it's only what they decide of themselves to suit themselves, not realising the wisdom and the purpose of God to offer His love for our own good.

Slavery is a very difficult subject, but it's not really as evil as the world portrays it but has much an important message to us.
When men of God had servents they treated them with love and like one of their own family, yes they were subject to them and a part of their household and property, but so were their own family.
The servent was to love and respect his master and likewise the master did the same by the authority he was given.

A servent was to go free after seven years, but if he loved his master and all that he had given him and all the love that he had shown him he could stay with him for life.
If he had a loving master who had shown him love and kindness with all that was his, and the servant had served him out of love and honour and loved how he'd blesssed him then why would he depart, which some more than likely didn't for this very reason.

God is our master we are His servants, He shows us love from Him that the world isn't possible of.
We serve Him with love and respect for His ways and know there is no better way than His way.
Why would we want to depart.

There's something very strong in the world today and it's called pride, no man is willing to be servant to another they are far above it, But we are called to be servants to all men, just like Christ made Himself a servant to all.

We do the service of God before all men, humbling ourselves to win them to the love of God, which is the pride of no man, but the glory of God.
Only God is worthy to be gloryfied and don't let anyone put Him down as if He's a man capable of man's sinful emotions, which come by rejecting Him.
God is the authority and offers us all for our good, His love don't come from nowhere else but Him, and He's the one we have to come humbly before accepting all He wants to give us.

Whether we were called servants or masters it was said to think nothing of it and to do all for the glory of God, and live by His love and what ever manner of position we've inherited live it for the good of God.

I know you friend may bring up how maybe some have been slaves and harshly treated, this is so, and men do serve over others with pride.
He may say we are a more civilised world today and slavery was evil, but this is not exactly ture.
Slavery could well be evil, from who the evil came from whether servant or master.

But this world is not a better more loving place today, because it has gotten rid of slavery, i'm not saying some weren't afflicted and certain races treated as a lower race.
But this happens by mans evil, and God does let it happen sometimes for our own good, as He did with Israel.

But the freedom that has been given man today has brought forth pride, and man exalts himself as if he deserves so much more, he makes himself as if he's righteous and see's no gain in humbling himself as if he deserves nothing. man reaps what he sows, but the pride of man thinks he can reap by his own evil and what he portrays of himself as righteous.
We will reap what we sow whether good or evil, and good only comes of God.

To have someone as a slave today would most likely be evil, depends really, for Royals and rich people still do have servants, but it's just a job today which is highly paid, but to make yourself a slave of all for the goodness of God is far from evil.
 
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One cannot defend the bible with logic. All one can do is say that people have a choice to hate others. It matters not if one is held in chains by a master or by prison. The soul is always free if one allows this. If all accepted who all really are, then there would be no slavery. The Bible is a riddle. The meaning of it only becomes clear after one accepts who one is. Until one wants understanding, all one can do is wish that person peace.
The only example I can give is that if one receives a reading from the Tarot, the meaning is not what the cards speak. One can believe this, but not Christ? Yet, believing in the cards does not provide one with peace.
 
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I think there's been a decent explaination in this thread already that slavery in the Bible is far different from slavery in the American South.

In the NT world (Roman Empire) 1/6 of the population were slaves. There were different levels of slavery and in many cases, slaves were better off than free men because they had regular shelter and meals.

And while The Bible commands slaves to obey their masters, turn her attention to this verse which is right after: "And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him." - Ephesians 6:9

And this one:

"Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven." - Colossians 4:1
 
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1Ti 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.
1Ti 6:2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise [them], because they are brethren; but rather do [them] service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into [this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry nothing out.


1Pe 2:18 Servants, [be] subject to [your] masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
1Pe 2:19 For this [is] thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
1Pe 2:20 For what glory [is it], if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer [for it], ye take it patiently, this [is] acceptable with God.
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
 
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twistedsketch said:
...In the NT world (Roman Empire) 1/6 of the population were slaves. There were different levels of slavery and in many cases, slaves were better off than free men because they had regular shelter and meals...

Slavery in the Roman Empire was not a nice thing, which is why the early Christians spent hard-earned money to "redeem" fellow-Christians who were slaves. Of course, they couldn't redeem everybody, which is why it was important that slaves would behave like Christians, even in their very difficult situation.

Christians slave-owners, after being instructed to treat their slaves like brothers, often saw the light, and released their slaves on their own initiative. Sometimes they needed a little hint, like Paul to Philemon:

Therefore, although in Christ I could be bold and order you to do what you ought to do, yet I appeal to you on the basis of love. I then, as Paul--an old man and now also a prisoner of Christ Jesus-- I appeal to you for my son Onesimus, who became my son while I was in chains. Formerly he was useless to you, but now he has become useful both to you and to me.
I am sending him--who is my very heart--back to you. I would have liked to keep him with me so that he could take your place in helping me while I am in chains for the gospel. But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do will be spontaneous and not forced. Perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have him back for good-- no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a man and as a brother in the Lord. (Phil 1:8-16)
 
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Saved_from_flames said:
Hola!

As a reletively new follower of Christ; I'm experiencing some problems with my non-believeing friends. One in particular does not seem bothered about the proofs and truths behind God and Christ; she keeps going back to slavery in the OT; in Exodus, etc.

I've tried to explain that the bible does not CONDONE slavery; it accepts it as part of the world; a world of sin.

She still comdemns God as immoral; despite the sacrifice of Jesus!

Am I missing something? Anybody out there have some advice on this issue to convince my friend?

Cheers!
Firstly you need to understand that YOU will NEVER convince your friend ONLY the Holy Ghost can do that! Secondly you need to understand that Satan will blind most people from the truth and so what I would recommend is that you pray for your friend...that the Holy Ghost opens up his/her eyes. Thirdly...read the words of Amazing Grace and this will make alot more sense!!
 
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