False. No evidence in the minutest amount supports a same state past on and near earth. No present decay, or ratios, or tree rings, or layers, or fossil record, or anything at all in any conceivable way. Rather than pretend something does, put it on the table. I have already explained how one requires a present set of forces and laws to give meaning to any dating methods, and you sir, do not have it.
There is a ton of evidence, I have presented it, you haven't understood it and you haven't been able to explain it. Your claim of a DSP falls flat.
The key comes from God who made it all. If you want to toss out last week, and all records and God and the spiritual, and history, and the proven bible, then you are in an impossible situation from which there can be no other exit.
None of the miraculous claims in the Bible have been proven. There is no evidence for a global flood, a burning bush or Jesus feeding hundreds with a few loaves of bread.
And you have no way to verify any of your old stories.
If all you want to do is go tip toeing through present state tulips singing la de da, and depending solely on the physical only present state science of fallen man, then all you can do is say you do not know. There is no other option. That is the end of the matter. There is only one way to get real wisdom, and that is from above.
If all you want to do is go tip toeing through different state tulips singing la de da, and depending solely on the story only different state science of ancient unverifiable myth, then all you can do is say you do not know. There is no other option. That is the end of the matter. There is only one way to get real wisdom, and that is from unbiased study of reality.
Circular. Name ANYTHING that FIRST does not assume one!!! There is nothing, nowhere, nohow. Never will be either.
Oh, this tired old song again? Very well, I will play it your way and assume that there was a DSP.
If there was a different state past, then the ratio of parent to daughter to granddaughter to great-granddaughter materials would not be so consistent among rock samples all over the world, nor would the ratios match what the "present-state" assumption of radiometric dating predicts.
An analysis of any and all rock samples of any kind from anywhere in the world produces results that are consistent with all other rock samples, and match exactly what the present state assumption of radiometric dating predicts.
This is impossible if there was a DSP.
So, we see something that DSP tells us is impossible. However, reality does not lie. Therefore, DSP is wrong.
Spirits, which means history. God. The bible. The flood, the tower of Babel, angels marrying women, creation, etc.
First of all, spirits do not mean history. Do school students open their spirit books and learn the spirits of WW2?
Secondly, none of those other things has any supporting evidence that can be checked for truthfullness. All you are doing with those is saying, "This first guy says one thing, and I know he's right because this second guy also says that same thing!"
I do not miss that at all. Not sure what you are thinking. However, we can say that time is thought of as part of the space time fabric throughout the universe by science, right?
Yes, Time is a part of space time.
Not sure what point you are making here though...
Bingo!!!! "In" the universe. The one that earth folks look at from earth in this time! However, what needs to be known to get perspective is that there is an independent time..the real macoy that does not require our universe. Man doesn't even know what time is.
Ah yes, this "independent time" for which you have produced absolutely no evidence whatsoever! With such a strong argument based on nothing at all, how can we ever hope to defeat your non-existent facts?
False, they are based on assuming daughter material ALL came to exist in the way it is now produced.
I'm open to the possibility that the daughter material got there by some other means. BUT (and this is very important), any other explanation must explain why all the rock samples have exactly the same amount of daughter material in them. Why don't we see wildly varying amounts of daughter material? And why is the amount of daughter material exactly what radiometric dating predicts? How can an incorrect method produce such accurate results?
False Islam just started to exist some centuries ago, not even a player in the creation debate!!! I think they accept that Gabriel told them stuff, but will not accept the stuff Gabriel said before that contradicts that. (correct me if I have that wrong someone knowledgeable in that faith)
The age of the religion is irrelevant. Just because Christianity was around before Islam doesn't make Christianity correct. After all, there were religions around before Christianity, and that doesn't make them correct, does it?
The point is that a religion can have things which it is claimed prove it true. In fact, just about every religion has these things. Of course, you find such arguments, when applied to other religions, entirely unconvincing, and yet you seem to think that the exact same argument applied to Christianity proves it beyond any doubt. This is a double standard and hopelessly illogical.
Get used to the idea that you cannot defeat me. That was apparent long ago, and only crystallizes with time
...doesn't matter what little claim you stick in your sig.
Look at my usertitle and signature. I have defeated you. I defeated you the instant I brought up the subject of radiometric dating, because according to your DSP notion, radiometric dating is impossible. The only reason you keep arguing is because you are ignorant of science, as your posts in this thread prove again and again.