Different or Disordered?

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It isn't compassionate to encourage people to embrace a false version of reality

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that the desire to be sexually involved with a member of the same sex is “objectively disordered” (2358). But for some, them’s fightin’ words.

Take Fr. James Martin, S.J., for example. In a 2017 interview with columnist Jonathan Merritt, Fr. Martin reaffirmed the position he took in his book Building a Bridge, namely, that this language in the Catechism is “needlessly hurtful” and should be replaced with the more pastoral language of “differently ordered.”

I don’t know if Fr. Martin still holds this view. In a 2018 article for America Magazine, he presents the Church’s official teaching on the objective disorder of same-sex sexual activity and the disorder of the desire for it. He then says, “As a Catholic priest, I have…never challenged those teachings, nor will I.”

Perhaps we could push back a bit on this last claim since he routinely celebrates events and organizations that publicly oppose Church teaching. Regardless, we still need to address the question: are sexual desires for members of the same-sex disordered or merely different?

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It isn't compassionate to encourage people to embrace a false version of reality

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that the desire to be sexually involved with a member of the same sex is “objectively disordered” (2358). But for some, them’s fightin’ words.

Take Fr. James Martin, S.J., for example. In a 2017 interview with columnist Jonathan Merritt, Fr. Martin reaffirmed the position he took in his book Building a Bridge, namely, that this language in the Catechism is “needlessly hurtful” and should be replaced with the more pastoral language of “differently ordered.”

I don’t know if Fr. Martin still holds this view. In a 2018 article for America Magazine, he presents the Church’s official teaching on the objective disorder of same-sex sexual activity and the disorder of the desire for it. He then says, “As a Catholic priest, I have…never challenged those teachings, nor will I.”

Perhaps we could push back a bit on this last claim since he routinely celebrates events and organizations that publicly oppose Church teaching. Regardless, we still need to address the question: are sexual desires for members of the same-sex disordered or merely different?

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It based on opinions (each have their own opinion) and there are all kinds of opinions out there ... whether religious or secular.
 
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It based on opinions (each have their own opinion) and there are all kinds of opinions out there ... whether religious or secular.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

But the issue here is Catholic teaching. And the Church teaches that same-sex attraction and unions are objectively disordered. Try tho the Jesuits might, there's just no denying it.
 
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Hm.

Seems odd.

If the teaching is that they are disorded, "differently ordered" would be inaccurate.

Although, they might add that opposite-sex desires are often disordered, if that's the teaching.
 
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In a 2018 article for America Magazine, he presents the Church’s official teaching on the objective disorder of same-sex sexual activity and the disorder of the desire for it. He then says, “As a Catholic priest, I have…never challenged those teachings, nor will I.”
Ha! He made me laugh.
 
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Wow that covers a broad spectrum. But we are discussing the Catholic Church.

I understand ... but ... what I see throughout the various congregations (the people themselves) regardless of the teaching within their particular church ... the people have varying opinions on the matter.
 
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I understand ... but ... what I see throughout the various congregations (the people themselves) regardless of the teaching within their particular church ... the people have varying opinions on the matter.

People have a variety of opinions on the matter because they are relying on their own reasoning, and NOT on God's wisdom in the matter.
 
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People have a variety of opinions on the matter because they are relying on their own reasoning, and NOT on God's wisdom in the matter.

I would agree with this.
 
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