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Different forms of "Christianity"

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Not sure if this is the right spot to talk about this.

I have a lot of things on my mind about religion. But this one question bugs me.

Why do different "Christian" religions share the same version of the Bible but have different views on salvation or ways to live.

For instance, I went to a Baptist Church and they use the KJV and they believe Salvation is everlasting, my step-grandmother uses a KJV in her studies but believes she can lose salvation.

I just dont get it, I been in Trinity Church in NYC and they use a KJV(but they also have an extra section of books). I work for a catering company, and do alot of church events and they all use KJV but they are Methodist, Lutheran, etc....

I just dont get it, why all use the same book but have a different view on Salvation, way of life, etc...
 

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Welcome to CF! Your observation proves it's not the Bible version ^_^

I think the important thing is to recognize the similarities:

they all say Jesus is Lord
their different views on Salvation aren't really so "different," you have to get to pretty small details before those differences emerge. They all know, or at least proclaim, Jesus as Savior.


Next, realize these people that sometimes get impressed with their own conceptions of things, are mortal, and haven't been to heaven to know those things they get dogmatic about. So realize the man-made stuff isn't so important. And that covers all the lifestyle stuff you're asking about, right?

The Gospel itself is really simple, and powerful. And it tells us to earnestly desire the sincere milk of the Word ... (1 Peter 2:2)
 
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Not sure if this is the right spot to talk about this.

I have a lot of things on my mind about religion. But this one question bugs me.

Why do different "Christian" religions share the same version of the Bible but have different views on salvation or ways to live.

For instance, I went to a Baptist Church and they use the KJV and they believe Salvation is everlasting, my step-grandmother uses a KJV in her studies but believes she can lose salvation.

I just dont get it, I been in Trinity Church in NYC and they use a KJV(but they also have an extra section of books). I work for a catering company, and do alot of church events and they all use KJV but they are Methodist, Lutheran, etc....

I just dont get it, why all use the same book but have a different view on Salvation, way of life, etc...
There are a number of things going on, but in large part it's because what God gives us in the bible is the story of salvation - a narrative of Gods action with, in and through his people towards the salvation of the world. And an invitation to get involved in our part of the story.

What we usually try to do is to abstract that into a system of salvation. When we do that, inevitably we disagree. That's made even worse because very often we don't notice that the questions we are asking are not the questions the text is trying to address.


Sometimes that's just a matter of trying to describe something imperfectly from two different points of view, sometimes it's more serious disagreement, sometimes both positions have missed the point.
 
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i just dont get it, when they all use the same bible and then they have different views on salvation and life.

The thing that gets me upset is when someone says you are wrong and u shouldnt believe that other way because they are "evil". I know my step-grandmother doesnt agree with our religious ways.

I dunno, just one of those things hard to understand
 
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i just dont get it, when they all use the same bible and then they have different views on salvation and life.

The thing that gets me upset is when someone says you are wrong and u shouldnt believe that other way because they are "evil". I know my step-grandmother doesnt agree with our religious ways.

I dunno, just one of those things hard to understand

These denominations have minor differences but the basics are the same which is what really matters. None of these small things is a salvation issue.

God isn't the author of confusion but humans can be. Plus, christians shouldn't be arguing about small things-it waste Gods time.

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
 
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i just dont get it, when they all use the same bible and then they have different views on salvation and life.

The thing that gets me upset is when someone says you are wrong and u shouldnt believe that other way because they are "evil". I know my step-grandmother doesnt agree with our religious ways.

I dunno, just one of those things hard to understand
People read a newspaper or watch a film and come away with different things. Why do you think the bible is going to be any different?
 
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i just dont get it, when they all use the same bible and then they have different views on salvation and life.

The thing that gets me upset is when someone says you are wrong and u shouldnt believe that other way because they are "evil". I know my step-grandmother doesnt agree with our religious ways.

I dunno, just one of those things hard to understand

Don't worry about understanding the differences. The differences won't save you, only Jesus will. Here's what the Bible says about those who like to judge denominations...

Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. (Romans 14:1)

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. (Mat 7:3-5)
So why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For the Scriptures say, “As surely as I live, says the Lord, every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will confess and give praise to God. Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God. So let’s stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall.” (Romans 14:10-13)

Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth. (2 Tim 2:15)
 
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There are those who simply cannot accept the belief that God himself paid the price for us, and that the righteousness we need can only be obtained by having him give it to us as a free gift. They want to 'pay their own way', earning their salvation through performing certain acts, or, which is more often the case, merely refraining from performing other acts.

Then there are some denominations and/or sects, especially in the more evangelical sector, which expressly teach that accepting Christ's sacrifice on the cross is only the 'starting line'. We begin there, but in order to keep our salvation (or get it back) we need to either perform certain acts, or accept certain agendas. Some go so far as to teach that Christ's sacrifice only saved sheep, not people. As far as they're concerned our salvation is still totally dependent on how strictly we abide by Mosaic Law as they interpret it.

But the Scripture doesn't support their teaching. I am referring not only to New Testament Scripture, but also to Old Testament Scripture. The truth is that the Mosaic Law was never intended as a 'roadmap to heaven'. Here is the promise which God actually made to the Hebrews in exchange for their keeping the laws of Torah:

If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then the Lord your God will keep his covenant of love with you, as he swore to your forefathers. He will love you and bless you and increase your numbers. He will bless the fruit of your womb, the crops of your land - your grain, new wine and oil - the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks in the land that he swore to your forefathers to give you. You will be blessed more than any other people; none of your men or women will be childless, nor any of your livestock without young. The Lord will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. (Deuteronomy 7:12-15,NIV)

There it is. That is what God promised the Hebrew nation he would give them. There is no mention of there even being an afterlife to attain, much less of attaining it through strict observance of the laws and commandments. Instead, it was a very pragmatic contract. They obeyed his laws and commandments in the here-and-now; they were rewarded in the here-and-now.

And why was this? It was due to the fact that the Mosaic Law was never meant to make a people perfect; its only goal was to make them civilized. Moses was working with what was, for all intents and purposes, a ragtag mob. The Hebrews had just left Egypt, where they had been subject to egyptian law, as well as egyptian slavery. Now they were to form their own nation. But that nation had to be cohesive and strong, because they were quite literally surrounded by others who were eager to 'erase' them from the face of the earth.

These goals (cohesiveness and strength) were achieved through their accepting the Mosaic Law. Neighbor could live next to neighbor, whether they knew each other or not, and remain confident that they were safe from harm or theft. An attack on any member of their society, either by a foreigner or by one of their own, was immediately dealt with under their laws. For another nation to threaten the people of any tribe (there were still 12 tribes) was seen as a threat to all the tribes, and was answered accordingly.

But it was only in the time following the end of the Old Testament and Jesus' coming among us that certain sects started teaching the law as a means of obtaining salvation. If you obeyed Torah without blemish, you could earn points with God and 'buy your own ticket' into heaven. But Jesus himself promptly 'shot down' all thoughts of currying favor with God through our own efforts:

"Suppose one of you had a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, 'Come along now and sit down to eat'? Would he not rather say, 'Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink'? Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.' " (The Gospel of St. Luke 17:7-10,NIV)

The only reward that we are to aspire to while we are working for the furtherance of the kingdom of God is the successful completion of whatever tasks God sets before us. There is to be no daydreaming of stars in our crowns (or crowns, for that matter), of earning points with God, of becoming perfect through our own efforts, or of any other reward besides completing the tasks.

But the righteousness which gains us admission into God's presence isn't a righteousness which makes us civilized; it's a righteousness that makes us perfect. And that righteousness is far beyond any effort we are capable of. But what is beyond our effort is not beyond God's. The chasm which we could never cross God himself built a bridge across to us. The righteousness required by God in order to merit salvation was quite literally earned by God himself for us, rather than being earned by us for ourselves:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:19-26,NIV)

We can obtain the righteousness that makes us civilized; that is within our grasp. But we are totally dependent on God himself to confer on us the righteousness that makes us perfect. He has done on our behalf what we could never do, nor even augment. God's righteousness stands alone. And only that righteousness is the truly salvific righteousness that we need.
 
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