Different Denomenations

[verismo]

I must say, I rather object to "Roman Catholicism (1054)." It gives the mistaken impression that the RCC was started in 1054 rather than it being the first time "Roman" was used as a term of discernment. The RCC has been here since the first century.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I must say, I rather object to "Roman Catholicism (1054)." It gives the mistaken impression that the RCC was started in 1054 rather than it being the first time "Roman" was used as a term of discernment. The RCC has been here since the first century.

Thanks for your clarification and that impression is not intended. My descriptions were written with that understanding and this issue is addressed in the link East/West Schism.

One sometimes sees it asserted either that the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Roman Catholic Church was founded at the time of this great schism. That is false. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church was ruled by five patriarchs: those of Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem, each having authority over bishops in a specified geographic territory. The one in Rome, on the one hand, and the other four, on the other hand, split from each other; neither was a newly founded organization. Each group took (and still today takes) the view that it is the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and the other group left that church at the time of the schism.

Explaining this would be too complicated for something intended to be a brief summary.

 

[Polycarp1]

I must say, I rather object to "Roman Catholicism (1054)." It gives the mistaken impression that the RCC was started in 1054 rather than it being the first time "Roman" was used as a term of discernment. The RCC has been here since the first century.

If you'll notice, he does the same thing for Eastern Orthodoxy. I think this is a fair, nondiscriminatory way to treat it -- the Church that held to the Nicene Creed and the Chalcedonian definitions was united down until 1054, at which point (a) it split into Eastern and Western Churches -- the Anglican and Protestant perspective, (b) the Orthodox seceded from the Catholic Church -- the "Roman" Catholic perspective, or (c) the Catholics split off from the Orthodox Church -- the Eastern Orthodox perspective. As a matter of courtesy, without denying either church's claim, one can define them as having begun separate existence without communion with the other as of that date.

 

[verismo]

If you'll notice, he does the same thing for Eastern Orthodoxy. I think this is a fair, nondiscriminatory way to treat it -- the Church that held to the Nicene Creed and the Chalcedonian definitions was united down until 1054, at which point (a) it split into Eastern and Western Churches -- the Anglican and Protestant perspective, (b) the Orthodox seceded from the Catholic Church -- the "Roman" Catholic perspective, or (c) the Catholics split off from the Orthodox Church -- the Eastern Orthodox perspective. As a matter of courtesy, without denying either church's claim, one can define them as having begun separate existence without communion with the other as of that date.

True enough.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Roman Catholicism (1054) - Gradual East/West Schism of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church that became final in 1054 primarily over the authority of the bishop of Rome (Pope). Latin.
Eastern Orthodoxy (1054) - Same as above. Greek.

verismo, is this satisfactory?

 

[verismo]

verismo, is this satisfactory?

Perfect!!

Thanks so much!! So nice to see such charity on the board!

Some rep points go to you good sir.