Not if someone doesn't say anything when they approach the communion rail.
My experience in visiting many Lutheran churches is they don't ask.
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Yes. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I do find it odd that they hold to the Small Catechism but not the Large Catechism.
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Yes that's a bit odd... wonder if they are lutheran enough to be lutheranYes. I'm not sure of the specifics, but I do find it odd that they hold to the Small Catechism but not the Large Catechism.
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No, that would be incorrect, we neither affirm nor deny them. Confessionalism didn't make it to Norway in time to get on the boat. Things like the Formula are a nonevent in our history.
That said we do use and teach from the Book of Concord.
Our Academic Dean and Systematics Professor has his S.T.M from Concordia in Fort Wayne and his PhD from Concordia in St Louis so you can imagine we are pretty close theologically in most things with the LCMS.
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Okay.. is there a reason why you don't affirm them now that they are handy and widespread, even in Norway?
Do you know if there are any L Brethren in Norway, and if so, what the name of their church is?
Thanks.
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That's what I sorta thoughtWaitin' for the show to start.
Did you ever get that coke from me last night?? Would be tasty with the popcorn.
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What I can tell of the history is that in much of Scandinavia, Confessions were seen with a rather jaundiced eye since the doctrine of sola Scriptura was held so highly among many of the people. In both Norway and Denmarck, about all that was accepted was the Small Catechism and the Augsburg Confession, plus of course the three historical Creeds those were accepted before the countries were even Lutheran.
No particularly strong or popular theologian ever rose up to promote the Book of Concord in either country. Many of the ministers were simply Catholic priests who became Lutheran on the day the state churches became Lutheran, early instructions to Lutheran ministers were always careful to instruct to distribute both bread and wine to the parishioners.
It's a shame too, those Catholic priests really ended up being the root of the dead state church that lead to pietism as the reform movement. To say the level of knowledge of theology among the clergy and the parisioners was low would probably be generous. Serious study of the Book of Concord would have been a great improvement. Frankly to this day, I would have wished every Lutheran Brethren who bought a copy of Purpose Driven Life would have bought a Book of Concord instead, their study would have been much more fruitful.
I'm not so sure that we aren't actually in the middle of a fight right now as to whether we will be Lutheran in the future. I think we will, but I'm afraid it's going to be closer than I would have thought. Right now, I'm thinking the ordained elders in our rural parishes will keep us Lutheran. I haven't run into a single one that likes the reforms suggested by the "Church Doctor" who was hired by the synod a few years ago to screw things up, oops, I mean fix problems. Another thing we got from the LCMS.
He seems to be rather adamant that being called Lutheran is a definite problem today.
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No particularly strong or popular theologian ever rose up to promote the Book of Concord in either country. Many of the ministers were simply Catholic priests who became Lutheran on the day the state churches became Lutheran, early instructions to Lutheran ministers were always careful to instruct to distribute both bread and wine to the parishioners.
It's a shame too, those Catholic priests really ended up being the root of the dead state church that lead to pietism as the reform movement. To say the level of knowledge of theology among the clergy and the parisioners was low would probably be generous. Serious study of the Book of Concord would have been a great improvement. Frankly to this day, I would have wished every Lutheran Brethren who bought a copy of Purpose Driven Life would have bought a Book of Concord instead, their study would have been much more fruitful.
I'm not so sure that we aren't actually in the middle of a fight right now as to whether we will be Lutheran in the future. I think we will, but I'm afraid it's going to be closer than I would have thought. Right now, I'm thinking the ordained elders in our rural parishes will keep us Lutheran. I haven't run into a single one that likes the reforms suggested by the "Church Doctor" who was hired by the synod a few years ago to screw things up, oops, I mean fix problems. Another thing we got from the LCMS.
He seems to be rather adamant that being called Lutheran is a definite problem today.
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That's what I sorta thought
Did you ever get that coke from me last night?? Would be tasty with the popcorn.
No Coke... just Peepsi.
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Okay, thanks. I do not know much about how it was in Norway and Denmark, but in Sweden the Augsburg Confession and the Catcheisms were officially endorsed in 1592, and about 80 years later the whole book of Concord. But that is Sweden, not Norway and Denmark as far as I know. Sadly enough, the former state church of Sweden is worse than the ones in Norway and Denmark.
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I had a very funny reply to that one, but I don't think it is suitable. After all, you are a pastor and this is a christian forum.No nuts... just cheeps.
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I had a very funny reply to that one, but I don't think it is suitable. After all, you are a pastor and this is a christian forum.
Are you even old enough to remember the SNL skit that that comes from?
Cheeboogie, cheeboogie, cheep, cheep, Peepsi, Peepsi...
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Here's what the state church of Norway confesses today:
As you can see still no Book of Concord. Still just the three Creeds, Apostles (den apostoliske), Nicene (den nikenske) the Augsburg Confession (den augsburgske konfesjon) and the Small Catechism (Luthers lille katekisme).
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En rettesnor for tro, lære og liv
Den Evangelisk Lutherske Frikirke tror, lærer og bekjenner:
Guds ord er den eneste regel og rettesnor for tro, lære og liv. Dette omfatter de profetiske og apostoliske skrifter i Det gamle testamentet og Det nye testamentet (Bibelen).
Den evangelisk-lutherske bekjennelse er grunnet i, og i samsvar med Guds ord. Denne bekjennelsen er uttrykt i den apostoliske, den nikenske og den athanasianske trosbekjennelse, samt i den augsburgske konfesjon og Luthers lille katekisme.
As you can see still no Book of Concord. Still just the three Creeds, Apostles (den apostoliske), Nicene (den nikenske) the Augsburg Confession (den augsburgske konfesjon) and the Small Catechism (Luthers lille katekisme).
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