differences in doctrine

[lando]

if you're going to tell me something about baptist doctrine that is wrong then you'll have to give me biblical evidence, that's just the person i am. and are you saying that baptist aren't saved and that they will not enter the kingdom of heaven because they don't believe that the pope is the head of the church? and by "itching ears" are you refering to 2 Timothy 4? and by the history of the "Church" are you referring to the catholic church or the baptist church? and if i'm correct the anabaptist denomination broke away from the church of england which broke from the catholic church. england left for selfish reasons and power. the anabaptists left, because of english corruption, and would have joined with the catholic church but that was corrupted also by popes who were power hungry. baptists broke from the anabaptist because of incorrect teachings. the baptists did this because they went to the anabaptist church leaders and practiced judgement, as found in 1 Corinthians 5. they started the baptist church because they refused to join any other church because of the corruptions and false teachings. so i do know about the history of my church. and my pastors do encourage me to study such things. and one more question are you saying that Prestonwood Baptist Church is not the house of God because it is not apart of the catholic church, cause that's what it sounds like?

in Him,
lando

 

[KennySe]

Umm. *gets nervous* Tangipahoa parish. That's all I'm saying. Lol. Please don't hunt me down.

LOL!!!!!!!

No, I won't hunt you down. You're quite safe,: I'm in the middle of Arkansas now.

I was just curious as to what part of my home State denied the Holy Trinity.

You asked what is the Eucharist, and i thank you for asking.

"Eucharist" is a very old Latin word meaning "thanksgiving". And was a name given to the consecrated bread and wine.

Check out my homepage which is ALL about the Eucharist.
http://www.christianforums.com/t53175

"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."
Ignatius, 3rd Bishop of Antioch ("Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.)

"We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus"
Justin Martyr, "First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155

 

[Michelina]

Dear lando, Thank you for your response. It is written with great conviction, which I respect.

... are you saying that baptist aren't saved and that they will not enter the kingdom of heaven because they don't believe that the pope is the head of the church?

Our Lord alone is Judge. But, if anyone is acting in accord with his conscience, a just Judge will embrace him.

...by the history of the "Church" are you referring to the catholic church or the baptist church?

Both. I am glad you understand WHEN & WHY the Baptists came into existence.

I will highlight certain words in the next quote from your post.

...and if i'm correct the anabaptist denomination broke away from the church of england which broke from the catholic church. england left for selfish reasons and power. the anabaptists left, because of english corruption, and would have joined with the catholic church but that was corrupted also by popes who were power hungry. baptists broke from the anabaptist because of incorrect teachings. the baptists did this because they went to the anabaptist church leaders and practiced judgement, as found in 1 Corinthians 5. they started the baptist church because they refused to join any other church because of the corruptions and false teachings. so i do know about the history of my church.

I highlighted these words because they show that something happened contrary to the Will of Christ. John 17.

Who authorised any of those who judged others to be corrupt to establish another Church?

... one more question: are you saying that Prestonwood Baptist Church is not the house of God because it is not apart of the catholic church, cause that's what it sounds like?

Yes, I am saying that. The Temple of God is the Body of Christ, which is One and indivisible. Jesus did not establish the Prestonwood Baptist Church, although He is there with you when you worship. And He loves you just as much as He loves everyone else.

 

[Credo]

They are Baptists that do not believe in the trinity??

I used to work with one that believed this way. She said that God and Jesus have the same mission, but they're not the same being. Kinda shocked me as I thought all Christians believed in the Trinity as one God in three persons. She expressed the belief that the Trinity was 3 separate beings, one of which was God, with basically the same purpose and goal...

 

[Benedicta00]

I used to work with one that believed this way. She said that God and Jesus have the same mission, but they're not the same being. Kinda shocked me as I thought all Christians believed in the Trinity as one God in three persons. She expressed the belief that the Trinity was 3 separate beings, one of which was God, with basically the same purpose and goal...

Wow. So on what do they base their being Christians on? Do they believe Jesus is God?

 

[Credo]

Wow. So on what do they base their being Christians on? Do they believe Jesus is God?

I asked her that and she said "Nope! He's God's son and carried out God's mission on earth." (not an exact quote, but that was the gist of it) Seemed like more of a JW belief than Christian...

 

[Credo]

Found an interesting website: http://members.aol.com/uticacw/baptist/bibletruth.html

 

[Benedicta00]

I asked her that and she said "Nope! He's God's son and carried out God's mission on earth." (not an exact quote, but that was the gist of it) Seemed like more of a JW belief than Christian...

The Arian heresy is still with us.

 

[Benedicta00]

Found an interesting website: http://members.aol.com/uticacw/baptist/bibletruth.html

Where on this site does it describe their belief in the Trinity? This is interesting especially since Matt is arguing that Protestants agree on the "essentials" I guess the trinity isn't a essential either.

 

[Credo]

Where on this site does it describe their belief in the Trinity? This is interesting especially since Matt is arguing that Protestants agree on the "essentials" I guess the trinity isn't a essential either.

I don't think this site goes into the Trinity, as I would guess that most Baptists do believe in the Trinity. The woman I used to work with can C7777's folks and former congregation are probably the exception and not the rule.

I was posting this site as regards the original question, where Catholic and Baptist beliefs differ.

Sorry for any confusion...

 

[lando]

as i said earlier, the Bible gave the baptists the right to judge. if you don't believe me then read it yourself in 1 Corinthians 5. the anabaptists were approached by the baptists and were told of their errors. they did not repent their sin and therefore should be excommunicated from the church. as is what happened. just as is in 1 Corinthians 5. and if i'm right nothing goes against the will of Christ. for Christ and God are one and the will of God is perfect. therefore, how can anything go against it? and if i'm correct did not paul call the temple of the Holy Spirit your own body in 1 Corinthians 6:19? therefore since Christ lives in us and his temple is found within in us how can a gathering of Christians under a roof not be called a houes of God. he resides their with his sheep, does he not? and i'm still curious about the "itching ears". and you'll also have to provide some biblical evidence for me to by into any of this. and John 17 will not cut it.

in Him,
lando

 

[Cary.Melvin]

i'm not catholic. but i was wondering, so that i can get my facts strait, what's the difference between catholic doctrine and lets say baptist doctrine?

in Him,
lando

The Doctrine of the Baptist Church is based on a Church Founded by Men (John Smyth to be precise).

The Doctrine of the Catholic Church is based on a Church Founded by Jesus Christ (See Matt 16:18-19).

That is a big difference for me.

 

[lando]

so are you saying that if i'm not part of the catholic church, even though i've confessed Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savoir with my mouth and my actions that i will still be refused entrance into the kingdom of Heaven?

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

so are you saying that if i'm not part of the catholic church, even though i've confessed Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savoir with my mouth and my actions that i will still be refused entrance into the kingdom of Heaven?

Nope that is for God to deiced not humans.
But if one belives in Jesus Christ they are part of his church (The Catholic Church) even if their not not in fullness with it.

 

[Cary.Melvin]

so are you saying that if i'm not part of the catholic church, even though i've confessed Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savoir with my mouth and my actions that i will still be refused entrance into the kingdom of Heaven?

No, if you are a Christian, you are a part of the catholic church, but you are not in Communion (Unity) with the Catholic Church (The one Christ founded).

And it is not for me to judge if you will or will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Skripper]

Actually it’s N’awlins, Luzanna… d’awlin.

...hick!

 

[Benedicta00]

...hick!

That’s not a hick, that’s a yaat, as in where ya-at.

 

[Michelina]

So on what do they base their being Christians on? Do they believe Jesus is God?

I asked her that and she said "Nope! He's God's son and carried out God's mission on earth." (not an exact quote, but that was the gist of it) Seemed like more of a JW belief than Christian...

This is what I love about Protestant beliefs! You never know what they're gonna say. The Trinity is traditonal Baptist doctrine, but in any Protestant congregation you can hear all sorts of stuff......But they can't see the need for a Magisterium. Do they think God is stupid?

 

[Benedicta00]

This is what I love about Protestant beliefs! You never know what they're gonna say. The Trinity is traditonal Baptist doctrine, but in any Protestant congregation you can hear all sorts of stuff......But they can't see the need for a Magisterium. Do they think God is stupid?

No, they just agree on the essentials. What ever those are.

 

[Michelina]

as i said earlier, the Bible gave the baptists the right to judge. if you don't believe me then read it yourself in 1 Corinthians 5. the anabaptists were approached by the baptists and were told of their errors. they did not repent their sin and therefore should be excommunicated from the church. as is what happened. just as is in 1 Corinthians 5. and if i'm right nothing goes against the will of Christ. for Christ and God are one and the will of God is perfect. therefore, how can anything go against it? and if i'm correct did not paul call the temple of the Holy Spirit your own body in 1 Corinthians 6:19? therefore since Christ lives in us and his temple is found within in us how can a gathering of Christians under a roof not be called a houes of God. he resides their with his sheep, does he not? and i'm still curious about the "itching ears". and you'll also have to provide some biblical evidence for me to by into any of this. and John 17 will not cut it.

lando, I think that you have tried to prove that X had the right to judge Y on question Z. Fine. I did not ask you about that. I asked what gave X the right to establish another Church. The human founders of your Church did not claim to have some special revelation, did they?

Joseph Smith said he did. But most of the other human founders of human 'churches' do not. It was their assumptions that were mistaken. They assumed they had an authority that belongs to God alone. Our Divine Founder was human too, but he was man and God.

lando, did you think that you could ask us about differences in doctrine and not realize that our assumptions would not be the same as yours? I do not expect you to believe our assumptions or beliefs, but you need to understand that we reject your fundamental assumptions. Perhaps you would like to learn about ours.

therefore since Christ lives in us and his temple is found within in us how can a gathering of Christians under a roof not be called a houes of God. he resides their with his sheep, does he not?

No, he does not reside in your church building. You can call a building a House of God, if you choose. I will not. You rightly say that each believer is a Temple of God, but you did not address what I had said, namely that the whole body of believers make up the Mystical Body of Christ and that is, par excellence, the Temple.

Perhaps you are looking at Divine Mysteries with a too-human set of assumptions.