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Sexual molestation in the Catholic Church is a very serious issue, and while these things sadly also happen in the Orthodox Church, they do not happen with such alarming frequency as in the Catholic.
Bruncvik said:Why, in 950 years, hasn't it?
Historical reality is perfectly clear: the holy Councils of the Holy Fathers, summoned by God, always, always had before them one, or at the most two or three questions set before them by the extreme gravity of great heresies and schisms that distorted the Orthodox Faith, tore asunder the Church and seriously placed in danger the salvation of human souls, the salvation of the
Orthodox people of God, and of the entire creation of God. Therefore, the ecumenical councils always had a Christological, soteriological, ecclesiological character, which means that their sole and central topic - their Good News - was always the God-Man Jesus Christ and our salvation in Him, our deification in Him. Yes, He - the Son of God, only-begotten and consubstantial, incarnate; He - the eternal Head of the Body of the Church for the salvation and deification of man; He - wholly in the Church by the grace of the Holy Spirit, by true faith in Him, by the Orthodox Faith.
This is the truly Orthodox, apostolic and patristic theme, the immortal theme of the Church of the God-Man, for all times, past, present and future. This alone can be the subject of any future possible ecumenical council of the Orthodox Church, and not some scholastic-protestant catalogue of topics having no essential relation to the spiritual life and experience of apostolic
Orthodoxy down the ages, since it is nothing more than a series of anemic, humanistic theorems. The eternal catholicity of the Orthodox Church and of all her ecumenical councils consists in the all-embracing Person of the God-Man, the Lord Christ. This is the central and universal reality, the theme of Orthodox Councils, this is the unique mystery and reality of the God-Man,
upon which the Orthodox Church of Christ is built and sustained with all ecumenical councils and all her historical reality. Upon this foundation we are to build, even today, in the sight of heaven and earth, and not upon the scholastic-protestant and humanistic topics employed by the ecclesiastical delegates or delegations of Constantinople or Moscow, who at this bitter and
critical moment of history present themselves as the "leaders and representatives" of the Orthodox Church in the world.
If I am not wrong, the disagreement about the fillioque is not purely a theological issue. The other reason for the rejection of fillioque is that the Creed that was defined in an ecumenical council cannot be changed, at least not without another ecumenical council.
Purgatory has been supported by a few Orthodox Church fathers in the form of "toll houses," most notoriously by Blessed Seraphim Rose of Platina.
"Toll houses" are generally condemned by Orthodoxy as a Gnostic belief. Purgatory is usually written off as a result of invalid council and minimal Biblical support.
Bruncvik said:Orthodox do not believe in Original Sin.
Bruncvik said:We believe in subordination within the Godhead.
Bruncvik said:Sexual molestation in the Catholic Church is a very serious issue, and while these things sadly also happen in the Orthodox Church, they do not happen with such alarming frequency as in the Catholic. What is even more alarming and shocking is that these priests are being protected at even the highest levels of Roman Catholic hierarchy. Both Orthodox and Catholics condemn fornication outside of marriage.
Bruncvik said:Catholic Cardinals wear "yarmulke" style skullcaps. Orthodox do not.
Sergius_Lucius said:I think this is too strong expression. We don't believe in inherited guilt of Adam's sin.
Subordination is a wrong term. It means, if I'm not mistaken, that the Son is subjected to the Father, which is heresy.
This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.
And therefore his definitions, of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, are justly styled irreformable, since they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, promised to him in blessed Peter, and therefore they need no approval of others, nor do they allow an appeal to any other judgment. For then the Roman Pontiff is not pronouncing judgment as a private person, but as the supreme teacher of the universal Church, in whom the charism of infallibility of the Church itself is individually present, he is expounding or defending a doctrine of Catholic faith.
23. This collegial union is apparent also m the mutual relations of the individual bishops with particular churches and with the universal Church. The Roman Pontiff, as the successor of Peter, is the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity of both the bishops and of the faithful.(
Does that mean that if the Pope said that the best thing to put on vanilla ice cream is 30wt motor oil that nobody could question it?Photini said:In regards to infallibility:
It is not only statements proclaimed in ex cathedra that are irreformable, but all statements concerning faith and morals made by the Pope, even when not speaking ex cathedra. He does not need consent by the conscience of the Church or agreement from any other bishop. There is such a sharp contrast between clergy and laity that does not exist in Orthodoxy.
Also the criterion for unity of the Church as known by the Catholics is the Pope, whereas, in Orthodoxy, our unity is in the Image of the Most Holy Trinity.
Dogmatic Constitution in the Church
If he thought it was pertinent to faith or morals, then yes.twosid said:Does that mean that if the Pope said that the best thing to put on vanilla ice cream is 30wt motor oil that nobody could question it?
Does that mean that if the Pope said that the best thing to put on vanilla ice cream is 30wt motor oil that nobody could question it?
This religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra
Catholic Encyclopedia said:It is clear that no Catholic has the right to defend Pope Honorius. He was a heretic, not in intention, but in fact; and he is to be considered to have been condemned in the sense in which Origen and Theodore of Mopsuestia, who died in Catholic communion, never having resisted the Church, have been condemned
I was looking for something else, and happened upon this Canon from the Council of Trullo: http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-14/Npnf2-14-133.htm#TopOfPageBruncvik said:(Rome was first among equals, now the primacy of honor of first among equals first goes to New Rome, or the Patriarchate of Constantinople.)
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I just thought this was significant. In regards to the phrase "shall be second after it.." ...that phrase is understood as meaning second in time and not second in honour or priviledge. I would appreciate help in finding support for that point.Renewing the enactments by the 150 Fathers assembled at the God-protected and imperial city, and those of the 630 who met at Chalcedon; we decree that the see of Constantinople shall have equal privileges with the see of Old Rome, and shall be highly regarded in ecclesiastical matters as that is, and shall be second after it. After Constantinople shall be ranked the See of Alexandria, then that of Antioch, and afterwards the See of Jerusalem.
- Canon XXXVI.
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