Dietary laws from Adam to the apostles

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Before the Fall, Adam and Eve were vegetarians, Genesis 1:
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

After the flood, Noah was allowed to eat meat, Genesis 9:
3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
But there was a catch:
4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
Don't eat blood.

For the Israelites, Leviticus 17:
14 For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.

Furthermore, there was a distinction between clean and unclean Food, Leviticus 11:
1 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2“Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.

Targeting the Gentiles, the Lord told Peter in Acts 10:
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

James arrived at a compromise between the influences of Jews and Gentiles, Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council declared in Acts 15:
28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29a that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled

In the final analysis, for us today, Mark 7:
19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Paul was emphatic, Romans 14:
14 I am convinced and fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
20a Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean

Foods law was strange teaching, Hebrews 13:
9 Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.

Colossians 2:
16 do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink.

It is reiterated in 1 Timothy 4:
3 They [demons] will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods

In fact, demons will make dietary requirements.
that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, 5 because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Jesus gave us the freedom to eat. Follow your conscience.
 
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Before the Fall, Adam and Eve were vegetarians, Genesis 1:


After the flood, Noah was allowed to eat meat, Genesis 9:

But there was a catch:

Don't eat blood.

For the Israelites, Leviticus 17:


Furthermore, there was a refinement between clean and unclean Food, Leviticus 11:


Targeting the Gentiles, the Lord told Peter in Acts 10:


James arrived at a compromise between the influences of Jews and Gentiles, Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council declared in Acts 15:


In the final analysis, for us today, Mark 7:


Paul was emphatic, Romans 14:




Foods law was strange teaching, Hebrews 13:


Colossians 2:


It is reiterated in 1 Timothy 4:


In fact, demons will make dietary requirements.


Jesus gave us the freedom to eat. Follow your conscience.
Lots of scripture out of context for example Colossians 2:16 is not referring to foods, this verse is about the sanctuary system, and this is referring to food and drink offerings, not making foods unclean clean.

At the time of the apostles long after the Cross clearly shows foods were still unclean.

Acts 10:14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”

God never deemed foods that were an abomination to Him clean and come Judgement Day, He says they are still unclean and an abomination.


Isaiah 66:17 “Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves,
To go to the gardens
After an idol in the midst,
Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse,
Shall be consumed together,” says the Lord.

God gave us plenty of clean foods for us to eat and He knows what's best for us since He is not just our Savior, but is also our Creator. Our bodies are a temple and dwelling place for the Holy Spirit, we need to not only keep them clean from foods deemed an abomination we need to keep them clean from sin.
 
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Colossians 2:16 do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink.

What do people eat?
You have to look at the context, all of Col 2:13-17 KJV is referring to the old sanctuary system which pointed forward to Jesus who took the penalty of sin at the altar and became our Passover Lamb. 1 Cor 5:7 John 1:29 We no longer make food, drink offerings, kill animals or keep the festivals and annual feast days also called sabbath(s) ordinances (not commandment) . Hebrews 10:1-22 Hebrews 9:9-10 This is what this is referring to and your version does not reconcile with Isaiah 66:17 which is Judgement and the final word on this.

These are the food and drink offerings being referred to in Col 2:16

Exodus 29:38 “Now this is what you shall offer on the altar: two lambs of the first year, day by day continually. 39 One lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight. 40 With the one lamb shall be one-tenth of an ephah of flour mixed with one-fourth of a hin of pressed oil, and one-fourth of a hin of wine as a drink offering. 41 And the other lamb you shall offer at twilight; and you shall offer with it the grain offering and the drink offering, as in the morning, for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the Lord.
 
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You have to look at the context, all of Col 2:13-17 KJV is referring to the old sanctuary system which pointed forward to Jesus who took the penalty of sin at the altar and became our Passover Lamb. 1 Cor 5:7 John 1:29 We no longer make food, drink offerings, kill animals or keep the festivals and annual feast days also called sabbath(s) ordinances (not commandment) . Hebrews 10:1-22 Hebrews 9:9-10 This is what this is referring to and your version does not reconcile with Isaiah 66:17 which is Judgement and the final word on this.

These are the food and drink offerings being referred to in Col 2:16

Exodus 29:38 “Now this is what you shall offer on the altar: two lambs of the first year, day by day continually. 39 One lamb you shall offer in the morning, and the other lamb you shall offer at twilight. 40 With the one lamb shall be one-tenth of an ephah of flour mixed with one-fourth of a hin of pressed oil, and one-fourth of a hin of wine as a drink offering. 41 And the other lamb you shall offer at twilight; and you shall offer with it the grain offering and the drink offering, as in the morning, for a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the Lord.
Let proposition P1 = Eating pork is a sin.

True?
 
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Before the Fall, Adam and Eve were vegetarians, Genesis 1:
There is no sense in thinking that God was flip flopping back and forth about whether or not it is an abomination against His eternal nature to eat unclean animals. Rather, there were no predators or scavengers before the Fall, which are all unclean animals, so nature of animal change with the Fall and it has been a sin to eat them ever since. If Adam and Eve could kill animals for clothing after Fall, then I see no reason to think that they were still restricted from killing animals for food, especially because Able kept a flock of animals.

After the flood, Noah was allowed to eat meat, Genesis 9:

But there was a catch:

Don't eat blood.
In Genesis 7:2, Noah was given instructions for what to do in regard to clean and unclean animals without being told to how to tell the difference, and in 8:20, he knew to offer a clean animal, so he must have already been given instructions in that regard. In Psalms 119:29 and Exodus, the wanted God to be gracious to them by teaching them to walk in His way in obedience to His law, and in Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way in obedience to His law and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. In Genesis 9:3, the word used refers to prey animals, so Noah was being given permission to eat prey animals, which refers to clean animals. In Genesis 6:21, Noah was given a temporary restriction to eat the same food as the other animals while on the ark, which was for obvious reasons, so Genesis 9:3 is the lifting of that temporary restriction.

For the Israelites, Leviticus 17:


Furthermore, there was a refinement between clean and unclean Food, Leviticus 11:
Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be sinful.

Targeting the Gentiles, the Lord told Peter in Acts 10:
There were all kinds of animals let down in Peter's vision, so he could have obeying God's commands in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 and God's command in his vision by simply killing and eating one of the clean animals, so understanding why he refuse to do what the Torah permitted him to do is the key to correctly understanding his vision. It should be noted that Peter did not just object by saying that he had never eaten anything that was unclean, but also added that he had never eaten anything that was common, these words are not used interchangeably by the Bible, and God only rebuked Peter for his use of the word "common", but did not rebuke him for his use of the word "unclean". In other words, Peter had correctly identified the unclean animals as unclean and had correct declined to eat them in obedience to the Torah, but he had incorrectly identified the clean animals as common and had incorrectly declined to eat them in disobedience to God's command to kill at eat. Peter interpreted his vision three times as being in regard to incorrectly identifying Gentiles without saying a word about now being able to eat unclean animals, so his vision had nothing to do with a change in their status. You should be more careful not to mistake what was only said against following the traditions of men as being against obeying the commands of God.

James arrived at a compromise between the influences of Jews and Gentiles, Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council declared in Acts 15:
Either Acts 15:19-21 contains an exhaustive list of everything that would ever be required of a mature Gentile believer or it does not, so the moment that you treat it as an non-exhaustive list by saying that there are obviously other commands that Gentiles should obey is the moment that you can no longer treat it as being an exhaustive list to limit which laws Gentiles should follow. For example, Gentiles should follow the Ten Commandments, the greatest two commandments, and those things commanded against in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Galatians 5:19-21, and Titus 3:1-3. However, it was not given as an exhaustive list for mature believers, but as stated in Acts 15:19-21, it was a list intended to not make things too difficult for new believers, which they excused by saying that Gentiles would continue to learn about how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbath in the synagogues.

In the final analysis, for us today, Mark 7:
There are a whole host of problem that you should have with the way that you are interpreting Mark 7:19 as Jesus setting aside the commands of God starting with the fact that he had just finished criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for doing that. In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the law, so Jesus did not do that. In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who was not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying His law, so if Jesus had done that, then according to God we should consider him to be a false prophet. They would not have needed to find false witness at his trial, but this incident was never even brought up, and no one seemed to have even noticed that he made such a radical statement in rebellion against the Father. It is far more reasonable to interpret this passage and Jesus simply continuing to speak in regard to the topic of conversation.

Paul was emphatic, Romans 14:
Romans 14 is speaking in regard to disputable matters of opinion in which God has given no command, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as teaching us to rebel against God.

Foods law was strange teaching, Hebrews 13:
What God has taught is not strange teaching.

Colossians 2:
The Colossians were keeping God's holy days in obedience to His commands in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow, they were being judged by pagans for doing that, and Paul was encouraging them not to let the pagans judge them and prevent them from obeying God.

It is reiterated in 1 Timothy 4:
In 1 Timothy 4:1, Paul described what he was speaking against as being the doctrine of demons, which should be a major clue that he was not speaking against obeying the holy, righteous, and good commandments of God. We know that Paul interacted with pagans in Colossians 2:20-23 who were promoting human precepts and teachings, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body. In other words, they were teaching against eating the clean animals that God said were good to eat as food in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

In fact, demons will make dietary requirements.
In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so those who know and believe the truth know that we do not need to refrain from eating clean animals that God created to be received with thanksgiving and that unclean animals have not been sanctified by the word of God and prayer, so we should not receive with thanksgiving that which God said is an abomination.

Jesus gave us the freedom to eat. Follow your conscience.
The clearest sign of someone having a seared conscience is if they see nothing wrong with continuing to do what God has revealed to be sin, which should indicate to them that they have a serious problem, not that there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.
 
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Before the Fall, Adam and Eve were vegetarians, Genesis 1:
True
Don't eat blood.

For the Israelites, Leviticus 17:
True and this was repeated in Acts 15 - clearly applied to gentiles.
Furthermore, there was a refinement between clean and unclean Food, Leviticus 11:
really??? .. can we ask that you quote something other than "nothing" to make your case?

James arrived at a compromise between the influences of Jews and Gentiles, Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council declared in Acts 15:
Acts 15 says nothing at all about eating rats.
So many details seem to be left out of your post..
In the final analysis, for us today, Mark 7:
Mark 7 is a debate about "eating bread".

Not rats.


The Pharisees and some of the scribes *gathered to Him after they came from Jerusalem, 2 and saw that some of His disciples were eating their bread with unholy hands, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the other Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thereby holding firmly to the tradition of the elders; 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they completely cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received as traditions to firmly hold, such as the washing of cups, pitchers, and copper pots.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes *asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk in accordance with the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with unholy hands?”

So many details seem to be left out of your post.
Paul was emphatic, Romans 14:
Where he says nothing about clean vs unclean foods mentioned in Lev 11.

Rather Paul deals with the "eats vegetables only" scenario that we also see in 1 Cor 8. Obviously Jews were the ones eating meat since they had to do it to celebrate Passover.

So many details seem to be left out of your post.
Foods law was strange teaching
No Bible text calls scripture, "strange teaching" ... Lev 11 was never condemned.
In fact in Acts 10 Peter said that to that very day - he was not violating scripture in Lev 11.


Targeting the Gentiles, the Lord told Peter in Acts 10:
More Bible details... less skimming over those details.

:Acts 10;
14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.​
28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know that it is forbidden for a Jewish man to associate with or visit a foreigner; and yet God has shown me that I am not to call any person unholy or unclean.​
So many details missing from your post.
 
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Where did you get this idea from?
The Bible often uses the same terms to describe aspects of God's nature as it does to describe aspects of the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), which is because it is God's instructions for how to live in a way that testifies about and expresses our love for those aspects of His nature. For example, our good works testify about God's eternal goodness, which is why they bring glory to the Father (Matthew 5:13-16), and by doing good works, we are expressing our love for God's goodness, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect our love for God with our obedience to His commandments. In other words, everything that God chose to command was specifically chosen in order to teach us about different aspects of His nature and how to love those aspects of His nature. For example, if God had commanded His people to commit adultery, then that would have revealed something very different about His nature than commanding against it.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God has given instructions for how to do that, which includes refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45), so by following those instructions we are testifying about and expressing our love for God's eternal holiness. So God has given instructions about what is in accordance with our contrary to His holiness and because His holiness is eternal, those instructions are eternally valid and will never change, so it doesn't make sense to think that God was flip flopping back and forth about whether we should follow those instructions, but rather I endeavored to show that God has eternally been against eating unclean animals.
 
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Where did you get the idea that God was flip-flopping back and forth about what were clean and unclean animals? Can you quote some verses?
Some people think God restricted eating unclean animals in the Garden, then He permitted eating them after the Flood, then He restricted eating them again after the Mosaic Covenant, then he permitted eating them again with the New Covenant, however, that presents God as flip flopping back and forth about whether that should be permitted or restricted.
 
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Some people think God restricted eating unclean animals in the Garden, then He permitted eating them after the Flood, then He restricted eating them again after the Mosaic Covenant, then he permitted eating them again with the New Covenant, however, that presents God as flip flopping back and forth about whether that should be permitted or restricted.
That's not my understanding. My understanding is related to progressive revelation, not flip-flopping.
 
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What is your point with rats? If you want to eat rats, I am not stopping you.
God's Word says not to do it... IT is His Word that stops that sort of thing.

I have yet to put your views on the same level as the Word of God - so I freely agree you have not stopped me from doing anything. No argument there.
 
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So what do you do with all of that blood?
Good question :)

Barnes answered this way:
It is also intended, perhaps, to teach that the life of the animal, which is in the blood, belongs not to man, but to God himself, who gave it. He makes account of it for atonement in sacrifice; otherwise it is to be poured on the ground and covered with dust Leviticus 17:11-13.
 
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That's not my understanding. My understanding is related to progressive revelation, not flip-flopping.
What has been progressively revealed will always be in accordance with and never contradict what has previously been revealed. For example, in Acts 17:11, the Bereans were praised because they diligently tested everything that Paul said against OT Scripture to see if what he said was true, so according to that precedent, disagreement with the OT is the standard by which we should reject what is said in the NT. If God were flip flopping back and forth about whether something is an abomination, then calling it related to progressive revelation would not change that that He would be flip flopping. If the way to act in accordance with God's nature were to ever change through progressive revelation, then God's nature would not be eternal.
 
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