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Didn't God construct the 24-hour day on the fourth Day?

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I didn't claim that moving the waters around was ex nihilo creation. He'd already created the waters on Day 1:

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” (Ge 1:1-2 NKJV)

As I have said before, the bible elsewhere makes it clear that "all things" were created by God, not that He merely re-arranged some matter which in some way already existed without Him creating it.
And as noted above:

I would just go a step further to point out that verse 1:1 isn't actually an event.

Genesis 1:1-2 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

Verse 1:1 isn't even a complete statement. It's a dependent clause.

It's like saying, when I began to ride my bike to school, it was cold outside. Well, the text doesn't say how long it was cold outside when I began to ride my bike to school.

And with that said, if Genesis days 2 and 3 are describing ex materia processes, then that's just what Genesis is.

Based on the text, this is what you get. And it just is what it is. I don't try to force the text to say things that it doesn't say.
 
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And as noted above:

I would just go a step further to point out that verse 1:1 isn't actually an event.

Genesis 1:1-2 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

Verse 1:1 isn't even a complete statement. It's a dependent clause.

It's like saying, when I began to ride my bike to school, it was cold outside. Well, the text doesn't say how long it was cold outside when I began to ride my bike to school.

And with that said, if Genesis days 2 and 3 are describing ex materia processes, then that's just what Genesis is.

Based on the text, this is what you get. And it just is what it is. I don't try to force the text to say things that it doesn't say.
We are just going round in circles. We are both repeating things we have written several times before. I feel it might be better for me to leave this discussion, at least for the time being.
 
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I didn't claim that moving the waters around was ex nihilo creation.
And all you're doing here, is agreeing with me. The events of Genesis days 2 and 3 are good examples where, what we see actually happening in the text, is God taking things that are already there, and moving them around.

And that just is what it is.
 
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We are just going round in circles. We are both repeating things we have written several times before. I feel it might be better for me to leave this discussion, at least for the time being.
Ok. All the best. When you figure out a way to make progress, feel free to let me know. Until then, I'll be sticking with what the Bible says.

Genesis 1:1-2 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

Verse 1:1 isn't even a complete statement. It's a dependent clause.

It's like saying, when I began to ride my bike to school, it was cold outside. Well, the text doesn't say how long it was cold outside when I began to ride my bike to school.

And with that said, if Genesis days 2 and 3 are describing ex materia processes, then that's just what Genesis is. Verse 1 alone isn't sufficient to make a case for ex nihilo creation.

And this is all perfectly legitimate in terms of interpretation of the text. And there isn't much anyone can do about it.
 
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He'd already created the waters on Day 1:

I'll also point out that, I think it's interesting how everyone wants to repeat that God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days, he created it in 6 days. He created it in 6 days, he created it in 6 days.

Everyone wants to repeat that, but then when you actually look at the 6 days and see that nothing is actually being created Ex nihilo, then people want a backtrack and want to say that the heavens and the Earth were already created in verse 1 and that the heavens and the Earth weren't actually being created the rest of the 6 days, even though God speaks on the other days, and we know that God creates by speaking, people still want to say that nothing was being created when God was speaking the rest of the 6 days.

It's just silly. The church is going to have to deal with this failed tradition for centuries to come.
 
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God is outside of time and therefore whether it's 24 hours or not in the first three parts of creation are irrelevant we are the ones who perceive time based on the solar movements. If I were to guess the first three things were created in a 24-hour period and called day and night because ultimately that is what a being who can look at day 1 and day 4 at the same time may have inferred.

I always assumed the light in the first 3 days was christ since he technically created it all
Actually it's called evening and morning, not day and night.
 
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The Bible gives a brief summary of how the twenty-four hour day was created on the fourth day (or stage). “And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years" [Genesis 1:14]. This is the construction of day, night and years – which is the 24-hour timeframe that we live in.

God made a greater light (the sun), the lesser light (the moon) and the stars, then “set them (the sun, moon and stars) in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness” [Genesis 1:18]. For the first time in the creation process, the sun, moon and stars bring forth the day and night as we know it; and this is different from the first Day of creation, when God used the word ‘day' to denote light, and the word ‘night’ to denote darkness. Observe how the same word, ‘day’ and ‘night’, are used in different ways in Genesis.

Since God construct the 24-hour day on the fourth Day, doesn't it implies that the word Day was figurative in verses like "there was evening and morning, the first Day ... or second Day ... Sixth Day? For these verses, I used the word Day with a capital D. I believed that the word Day implies a stage, a phase, a timeframe. The creation took place in organized stages. At the first phase, light was created, followed by the sky, then the land and sea, plus the vegetation. Later, in distinct stages, God created the sun, moon and stars, flying creatures, sea habitants, and finally, land animals, then man and woman. He did not create randomly, so to speak: He did not make the stars, then the land, some living creatures, and then create more stars again; instead, He proceeded in an orderly way.

At the end of each Day, the Bible said, “There was evening and there was morning.” However, if the sun and moon were created on the fourth Day, how did evenings and mornings happen during the first three days? As well, notice the order: It was not morning, then evening. Instead, it was the reverse: Evening first, followed by morning. I believe that evening means the end of a stage, not sunset. And morning means the beginning of another phase, not sunrise. As well, it does not mean that the amount of time for each Day was the same. To gather the land into one place would take much less time than to create the many thousand kinds of sea creatures.
Amen, I agree it means the end of any stage of God's work, not sunset.

It has been overlooked or ignored for centuries that God created the sun and moon on the 4th day which was set in place for seasons, seasons, years and days, seem to indicate a system of TIME.

The Hebrew word Yom can be used in various ways and in Genesis 1 during the creation it seems more to mean a period of time, or span of time, or at some point in time, instead of a literal 24-hour day as the first translators and churches felt it did.

God Bless
 
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At the end of each Day, the Bible said, “There was evening and there was morning.” However, if the sun and moon were created on the fourth Day, how did evenings and mornings happen during the first three days?
Because the planet was already rotating at a specific speed when He began.

A "day," is not measured by the presence of the sun, but by measuring one rotation of the planet.
 
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