Did you really choose God…

[Neogaia777]

God is a Trinity in Christianity, and there are differences between them, and it's up to us to discern which ones are being talked about at which times, and God in the OT, and God the Son (Jesus) had a lot of foreknowledge, and could foresee a lot, but just not all or full foreknowledge always, etc...

And as far as Abraham and Issac goes, God in the OT had Abraham do that, because He knew of that being a possible plan with Himself, etc, and He wanted Abraham to know Him, etc, and He stopped Abraham at the end, which He knew may or may not happen with Him or His Son, etc. You know it's funny, but I actually heard a TV preacher say, "God spoke to the Father, and the Father told Him "take your Son, your only begotten Son, and offer Him up as a sacrifice to me", and this is not far from the Truth, because God in the OT knew this as being what might have to happen with Himself regarding Jesus, etc, but didn't want it to happen or didn't want to do it so He tried everything else He could before finally enacting it, because He didn't want to have to do that with His Son, etc...

But they had a lot of knowledge, God the Son, and God the Spirit did, and could see, or foresee "a lot", or "very much", but just not all like the Father always could from the very beginning, etc...

Jesus with fish and the coin in it's mouth, and the donkey that had never been ridden upon in another town, and the man carrying a waterpot to lead the disciples into the upper room, etc, but did not know the exact time of the end like He said only the Father alone did, etc, and it is the same with God in the OT, He knew a lot, and could foresee/predict much, but just not all, etc...

God Bless!

If you knew that you were maybe going to have to do that with your own child or your own Son, would you not do or try everything else you could or could think of first before finally having to do it or go through with it maybe, etc, send to them many, many others first, etc...?

Because I know I would, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

If you knew that you were maybe going to have to do that with your own child or your own Son, would you not do or try everything else you could or could think of first before finally having to do it or go through with it maybe, etc, send to them many, many others first, etc...?

Because I know I would, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

God the Spirit, or God in the OT, could not see past His efforts failing, and Him eventually having to send His Son to them/us, etc, but God the Father knew and had always known since the very beginning, etc, which is why He told God the Spirit what He did, etc...

So, a lot of foreknowledge, but just not always all, etc...

Certain things or certain points He could not see past, but considered them or saw them as "possibilities", etc, but to God the Father there never is or was any such things a "possibilities", but was always only just one way things could go, from beginning to end, from the very beginning, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

God the Spirit, or God in the OT, could not see past His efforts failing, and Him eventually having to send His Son to them/us, etc, but God the Father knew and had always known since the very beginning, etc, which is why He told God the Spirit what He did, etc...

So, a lot of foreknowledge, but just not always all, etc...

Certain things or certain points He could not see past, but considered them or saw them as "possibilities", etc, but to God the Father there never is or was any such things a "possibilities", but was always only just one way things could go, from beginning to end, from the very beginning, etc...

God Bless!

And while this statement is going to be hard for many to accept, and most especially for the more religious crowd to accept, etc, Jesus had/has "two Fathers", and we do as well, etc, and Jesus had a revelation (or knowledge) of both of them, or them both, etc, and where he says "Heavenly Father" or "his/my/our Father in Heaven", etc, He is referring to "The Father of us all", etc, or the "Highest One", etc, but where he just simply says or uses the word "Father" only, he is leaving it up to us as to which One he is referring to and/or is talking about, and is sometimes even talking about "both", etc...

And he always instructed us to pray to "our Father in Heaven" and "through or by him or in his name" as the means by which we are saved, or can be saved, etc...

God Bless!

 

[jayem]

If you knew that you were maybe going to have to do that with your own child or your own Son, would you not do or try everything else you could or could think of first before finally having to do it or go through with it maybe, etc, send to them many, many others first, etc...?

Because I know I would, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

If I heard a voice in my head telling me that I had to murder a member of my family, I would get immediate medical help. If a full medical workup, including a cranial MRI, toxicology screen, and lumbar puncture showed no abnormalities, I'd go for a thorough psychiatric evaluation.

At least I hope I'd have the presence of mind to do this.

 

[Neogaia777]

If I heard a voice in my head telling me that I had to murder a member of my family, I would get immediate medical help. If a full medical workup, including a cranial MRI, toxicology screen, and lumbar puncture showed no abnormalities, I'd go for a thorough psychiatric evaluation.

At least I hope I'd have the presence of mind to do this.

Abraham knew that voice specifically already and could very easily distinguish it from other voices as being the voice of his God, etc, so it came down to how much he trusted it at that point, as he had been hearing from it for many years before that, etc...

IOW's he did not just one day all of the sudden hear some unknown to him voice one day telling him to do that, etc, but it had specifically been what he knew as the voice of his God who had been speaking to him for very many years from before that at that point, etc, and that he had learned to fully trust from before that point in everything else it had told him prior to that, etc, so it's a rather unique situation you see, etc...

And God also gave Abraham a promise prior to that also, that He (God) would make "great nations and great multitudes beyond numbering through Abraham's son Isaac" also, and knew God could not keep that promise if Isaac was dead also, etc, so it came down to how much he trusted that voice that he had already hearing from and had been his God for many, many years at that point, and prior to that point, etc...

And I already told you that that was probably what God was also told by His Father concerning His own Son also prior to that also, etc...

It was a unique situation, etc, as I'm certainly not suggesting that all people everywhere just always obey and not ever question just some odd or random or off voice that they just all of the sudden hear just out of the blue or nowhere one day and had never ever heard prior to that, or were already familiar with prior to that, etc...

And the fact that God in the OT stopped it, might have even been a plea to His God that He would do the same with His situation with His own Son if it had to come down to that also, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I am talking to you about this right now @jayem because none of the religious crowd will hear it, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Waymarker]

..God supposedly knows everything that has and will happen..

The earth is a "spiritual testing ground"-
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life.." (James 1:12)
so if God already knows who'll pass and who'll fail, what's the point of it?

 

[Neogaia777]

The earth is a "spiritual testing ground"-
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life.." (James 1:12)
so if God already knows who'll pass and who'll fail, what's the point of it?

How can you even say that...?

Or do you mean you will not ever be satisfied unless you can save yourself, etc...?

But the point of it is: Those who are going to Heaven, vs those who do not, or are not, etc...

They had to be made to come about here, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Waymarker]

The earth is a "spiritual testing ground"-
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life.." (James 1:12)
so if God already knows who'll pass and who'll fail, what's the point of it?

How can you even say that...?

Or do you mean you will not ever be satisfied unless you can save yourself, etc...?

But the point of it is: Those who are going to Heaven, vs those who do not, or are not, etc...

They had to be made to come about here, etc...

God Bless!

I'm not sure I know what you're getting at, but these verses indicate the test or race..

1 Corinthians 9:24-25-
"Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it."

Hebrews 12:1-
"..let us run with endurance the race that is set before us"

2 Timothy 4:7-
"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith"

 

[Neogaia777]

Not sure I know what you're getting at, but these verses indicate the test or race..

1 Corinthians 9:24-25-
"Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain it."

Hebrews 12:1-
"..let us run with endurance the race that is set before us"

2 Timothy 4:7-
"I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith"

What does running a race have to do with the full omniscience of God, etc...?

We run the race, or strive for the prize, because that is the way God made us, etc...?

So, I guess I'm not sure what you are getting at, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Waymarker]

What does running a race have to do with the full omniscience of God, etc...?
God Bless!

God tested Abraham by ordering him to kill his son, but as he raised the knife, God said through the angel-
“Do not lay a hand on the boy..Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God" (Genesis 22:12)

which indicates God didn't know before the test..

 

[Neogaia777]

God tested Abraham by ordering him to kill his son, but as he raised the knife, God said through the angel-
“Do not lay a hand on the boy..Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God" (Genesis 22:12)

which indicates God didn't know before the test..

God in the OT may or may not have known that already, or from before He told Abraham to do it, but He already knew what He was going to do if Abraham actually went through with it, etc...?

Again, I really don't know what you are trying to get at here, because I thought I explained both God, and myself, thoroughly in some of my prior posts, etc...?

Did you read some of them maybe...?

God Bless!

 

[jayem]

God tested Abraham by ordering him to kill his son, but as he raised the knife, God said through the angel-
“Do not lay a hand on the boy..Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God" (Genesis 22:12)

which indicates God didn't know before the test..

Cool pic. The most dramatic depiction of Isaac’s sacrifice is Caravaggio’s painting from the early 1600s. Now in the Uffizi museum in Florence. The look on Isaac’s face is priceless.

Sorry for going off topic.

 

[Neogaia777]

Cool pic. The most dramatic depiction of Isaac’s sacrifice is Caravaggio’s painting from the early 1600s. Now in the Uffizi museum in Florence. The look on Isaac’s face is priceless.

Sorry for going off topic.

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Well, that artist has some serious truth to learn, because Isaac was well over 30 years old, and a very fit and healthy/strong young man, and not exactly a very young and innocent and powerless/helpless young "boy" at that point, etc, and Abraham was old, very old, etc, and if Isaac would have put up any kind of "fight" at all, Abraham wouldn't have stood a chance, etc, and that is why it is more commonly thought/known/believed that Isaac was a "willing sacrifice" also, etc, because Issac is also a picture of Christ also, who was also, or had to be a "willing sacrifice" also, etc, who did not put up a fight against his Father's will either, or also, etc...

So the "picture" (the "real picture") is "very much different" you see, etc...

God Bless!

 

[James_Lai]

Cool pic. The most dramatic depiction of Isaac’s sacrifice is Caravaggio’s painting from the early 1600s. Now in the Uffizi museum in Florence. The look on Isaac’s face is priceless.

Sorry for going off topic.

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Gruesome

 

[Reasonable Christian]

Determinism, from the beginning, it has dictated and decided all since that time, which only God the Father, apparently, has, or did have, etc, absolute full knowledge of from before that time, or from at the beginning of that time, etc...

It has even dictated all the actions/decisions/choices/in-actions, etc, of even God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit since that time, etc, and it was the Father who set those wheels in motion originally, etc, and has been able to fully know it and/or predict it since that time, and all throughout the rest of time, since the beginning of (that) time, etc...

All has all been "cause and effect", or "reactions to a reaction", to "a previous action or reaction", since that time, even down to the atomic/subatomic levels, since that time, only one way things can ever go at all ever, for everyone, since that time, etc... And it was/is God the Father who always knew/already fully knows, it all, since that time, etc...

Since "setting the wheels in motion" there has been no reason for Him to interact, or interfere, or intervene, cause He already knows all since that time, etc...

And He has others for that also, etc, namely God the Son and God the Spirit, etc, who have also been locked into all the "cause and effect" "cycle" since that time, etc...

And He also could not show Himself to us without them also, etc... Which made "Them" "absolutely necessary", etc...

Because, if anything, that is one of His (God the Fathers) limits or limitations, etc, and it necessitated others, in order for Him to do that, etc...

And to tell us, and to show us, "His story", etc...

God Bless!

These are assertions without evidence. You may believe these things, but the Bible doesn't teach them (to the extent they are even coherent statements). The same with your other responses to my question.

 

[Neogaia777]

These are assertions without evidence. You may believe these things, but the Bible doesn't teach them (to the extent they are even coherent statements). The same with your other responses to my question.

God Bless!