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Did you know that there is an ancient book that foretold current events?

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Yes there have been empires throughout history what is your point??
 
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I still don't get what your trying to say when it comes to how it applies to this thread.

Hello Carey,

My point is that it is a simplistic and wrong hermeneutic to attempt and absolute requirement and base the rest on that. For example:

Revelation 1

You are basing you view on a literal interpretation only. One can decide every eye must see him in a given context. Perhaps it is true but there needs to be good integration with the rest of scripture. However it is not possible to take scripture and assume all means every last one in every case. Rome was in a casual poetic sense the entire world. This is exactly how Paul refers to it.


Romans 1

So now is this true? Was Jesus really proclaimed throughout the world?


I have seen Christian Zionist interpretations of this scripture to mean a rebirth of Israel, in other other words rather than a literal interpretation it is considered a metaphor in this case.


Ezekiel 37


Now the irony is this may rightly be a more literal description of the resurrection. So to discount another view by saying it has not fulfilled your absolute requirement of "exhibit A" is rather lacking.

Your quote:


We also know Paul was not literally correct with the entire world. We also know the same thing was said in judgment of Babylon with perhaps only you who suggests ancient Babylon was not the subject and indeed you will find few to none that agree with this.
One thing that is beyond dispute is that literal only interpretations of every scripture will find the Bible to be a conflicted mess. However the Bible was not written without context and thus in contrast was not written like the book of Proverbs where one verse may stand on its own.
 
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Interesting discussion, but could we bring this back around to the original point of the thread somehow?

MandM,

I am not entirely sure how disputing that the references you cite as having been applied to current events is not the subject? The detail , for example, of what is meant by nations or world is rather important. There are several references that are clear that the world is not literal.

Let looks at this

Matthew 24


Jesus makes clear when "this will be". The stones thrown down were in 70 AD and he answered in the context of the second temple.

This is called the end of the age.


Acts 2



Hebrews 9



That is 3 cross references.

the end of what age?

This age. 490 years was the time decreed for Daniels people. This was the rebuilding of the city not the temple. The rebuilding of the city was the 20th year of Artaxerxes. That is generally believed to be 445 BC. Considering that Jewish years are 360 days subtract 7 years and then 69 weeks is when Christ was sacrificed.

So here is a the fourth
Daniel 9


Now in general one should be able to cross reference their claims lest it is misinterpreted. There is no reference to the 70 weeks to be suspended. There is no cross reference about the supposed peace treaty. I find plenty for the new covenant as that is what Christ came to accomplish. Daniel 9 was about Jesus. Who else accomplished what is in bold in chapter 9?

Christ confirmed a covenant for one week. 1/2 was before the cross and the other half was after the cross until God's word spread to the gentiles after Stephen. Jesus was the one that ended the sacrificial system. There is a Talmud cross reference to show that further temple sacrifices were rejected as well as being stated in Hebrews.



Hebrews 8
3In speaking of ‘a new covenant’, he has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear.

Here is an interesting account of the temple disturbances after Christ abolished the old sacrificial system. It started in 30 AD for 40 years or within a generation.

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/scapegoat.htm


If this is not correct then scripture with good supporting cross references should follow. Then we can decide what applies to when.
 
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