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?If homosexuality was a mortal sin
There is no 'level' of sin that is acceptable at all in heaven. No thief is found there. No greedy person is there. No idolator nor anyone who bears false witness, at all, is there. No sinner is found in heaven, in the life to come, as Jesus clearly shows in God's Word.What is the greater evil here?
It depends on where your coming from. From a Christian point of view looking toward the intention there is just God’s view, which is toward spiritual adultery and I suppose the pot calling the kettle black.But one is not promiscuous by nature. You are free to remain faithful, be unfaithful or have some integrity and negotiate a mutual separation with your partner in order that you can see other people without committing adultery. Those options are not available to someone who is gay. They are not attracted to people of the opposite sex. If homosexuality was a mortal sin then a gay person's options would be limited to a life in a loving relationship with someone of the same sex or a loveless life on their own or in a relationship with someone that they were incapable of being attracted to. What is the greater evil here?
It depends on where your coming from. From a Christian point of view looking toward the intention there is just God’s view, which is toward spiritual adultery and I suppose the pot calling the kettle black.
THey are already far far far worse off than "under the bus", and eternally so unless they repent.Getting back to my original post, that creates this enormous stumbling block for seekers like me. The moral code I'm supposed to adopt seems worse than the one I have. The one I have is based on love, compassion and understanding. The one being offered is based on. . . definitely not those qualities.
If I manage to connect with Jesus (and I am searching) how am I supposed to live with myself if I buy my salvation by throwing others that I love and have compassion for under the bus?
I am a new Christian and I do have difficulties with this. My best friend is a gay man and it is hard for me to imagine that God wants him to either be with someone (a woman) he does not love or to be alone for the rest of his life. And even evangelical churches now admit that gay conversion therapy does not work.You weren't clear about what you wanted clarifying but I'll try to make my point clearer.
I am not gay but I can empathise with gay people as human beings. I have always and, I hope, always will support gay people in their struggle against persecution, bigotry and hatred. The reason? human empathy. If I was to meet Jesus on this road of discovery that I'm on there are many, many things that would need to be overcome. I would have knowledge of Jesus Christ in all his divinity (I could no longer be Agnostic) but I would face the very battle for my essence because it seems to me that scripture is fairly clear on the subject that gay people are wrong just for loving someone and that is anathema to me. It would place me in an absolutely terrible position where my own salvation would cost me my soul, or at least the soul that has got me this far being kind, generous, understanding, compassionate. etc Its a heck of a hurdle to get over to suddenly start throwing condemnation around.
I don’t know. Maybe look up the relationship between David and Jonathan and find some answers there.Getting back to my original post, that creates this enormous stumbling block for seekers like me. The moral code I'm supposed to adopt seems worse than the one I have. The one I have is based on love, compassion and understanding. The one being offered is based on. . . definitely not those qualities.
If I manage to connect with Jesus (and I am searching) how am I supposed to live with myself if I buy my salvation by throwing others that I love and have compassion for under the bus?
==================================So, I am wondering: CAN one be an evangelical Christian and think monogamous homosexual relationships are not sinful?
===================================Or do others think these are not "real" Christians?
Also, how do evangelicals who think gay relationships are okay reconcile their beliefs with what the bible says?
Those are really good questions. There is a warning in Timothy 4 of a future age when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. That may be today, or it might not, but it warns to be vigilant and sober minded for that day, and your questions seem to suggest you are being vigilant.I am a new Christian and I do have difficulties with this. My best friend is a gay man and it is hard for me to imagine that God wants him to either be with someone (a woman) he does not love or to be alone for the rest of his life. And even evangelical churches now admit that gay conversion therapy does not work.
But there are Christians who do not believe monogamous homosexual relationships are a sin. I attended a Presbyterian Church, USA, and they did not believe it is a sin (and were willing to preside over gay marriages). A Pew research study says 51% of evangelical Protestants in the Millennial generation and 32% of evangelical Protestant Baby Boomers say homosexuality should be accepted by society.
So, I am wondering: CAN one be an Christian and think monogamous homosexual relationships are not sinful? Or do others think these are not "real" Christians?
Also, how do evangelicals who think gay relationships are okay reconcile their beliefs with what the bible says?
Also I don’t think anyone should be a slave to other’s ideals. But if they adopt those ideas are they not their own? No one should be afraid to own up to their own ideals. But it’s small people that talk about people, medium talk about things, and big people talk about ideals.Getting back to my original post, that creates this enormous stumbling block for seekers like me. The moral code I'm supposed to adopt seems worse than the one I have. The one I have is based on love, compassion and understanding. The one being offered is based on. . . definitely not those qualities.
If I manage to connect with Jesus (and I am searching) how am I supposed to live with myself if I buy my salvation by throwing others that I love and have compassion for under the bus?
Jesus says "Blessed are you who find no stumbling block in ME".Getting back to my original post, that creates this enormous stumbling block for seekers like me. The moral code I'm supposed to adopt seems worse than the one I have. The one I have is based on love, compassion and understanding. The one being offered is based on. . . definitely not those qualities.
Well, I was a Roman Catholic; so I did not have any problem accepting that gay stuff and abortion are wrong.were you challenged by god's moral code in any way...i.e - having to let go of a cherished belief in something like homosexuality not being a sin, abortion being the justified choice of a woman exercising body autonomy etc.?
Did you struggle with that? If so how did you overcome that discomfort?
To be more specific were you challenged by god's moral code in any way...i.e - having to let go of a cherished belief in something like homosexuality not being a sin, abortion being the justified choice of a woman exercising body autonomy etc.?
Did you struggle with that? If so how did you overcome that discomfort?
scripture is fairly clear on the subject that gay people are wrong just for loving someone and that is anathema to me.
And as written, bad company corrupts good morals. The perverted love of anyone separated from God and opposed to Him, hurts , harms and leads to destruction those they 'love' as they call love - it is not God's Love as it is not from Him, and not His Way, but is fleshly, carnal, transgressions (sin).No homosexuals are not wrong/sinful just for loving someone.
They are wrong/sinful for rejecting Gods laws, love and way of life.
If anything it is not that they love a person, but that they don't love God.
Great. Now that we understand your position a little better let me ask why this is relevant. Is it imagined God's moral code persecutes homosexuals or contains bigotry and hatred toward those who practice homosexuality? Is it being suggested conversion to Christianity might foster the three in whole or part?...I have always and, I hope, always will support gay people in their struggle against persecution, bigotry and hatred...
Great. Now that we understand your position a little better let me ask why this is relevant. Is it imagined God's moral code persecutes homosexuals or contains bigotry and hatred toward those who practice homosexuality? Is it being suggested conversion to Christianity might foster the three in whole or part?
If anything it is not that they love a person, but that they don't love God.
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