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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Basically pulling an Obama (Thanks Calminian!)
What is the point? You are not going to get much further with your questions until you deal with the responses we gave you, and why should we start a discussion here when we have made perfectly good points in you original thread that you haven't answered?
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Good points? What good points. All that has been shown is a choosing to not answer the question in the OP and think to hard about a simple question.
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That's the problem. You people thougth to hard. It's simple, don't hurt yourselves thinking so hard. Allow the Holy Spirit to open your heart and mind to the truth.
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Rather than ask if these events happened, you might be asking could God have caused them to occur as written. In that case the answer is a resounding yes!
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rmwilliamsll
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i can remember any number of occasions here where YECists claim that people are "thinking too hard". Can anyone remember an instance where a TE made the same kind of claim?
One big problem with this demand to open your hearts and minds to the HS, is that he appears to believe that the HS imparts propositional knowledge which strikes at the heart of sola Scriptura and leads into the common heresy of continuing revelation. Perhaps this is why the demand is for a blank mind without much in it due to "over thinking", that way you can have more space for the HS to impart wisdom and to minimize the confusion between these sources of knowledge in the mind- either studying or from the HS. The problem is that this kind of functioning of the HS owes more to magic then to the Scriptures.
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The Spiritual dysfuntion on this board is mind boggling. How can so many people so far of the Spiritual track? Oh, Right, Satan is always at work too.
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Last I checked, a literal reading of Genesis 1 wasn't one of the foundational tenents of Christianity.
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"Pastor," if you think we're all a bunch of God-hating evolution-mongers, then why don't you take 1 Cor 5:11 literally and not associate with us here?
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rmwilliamsll
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this appears to be the final word from YECism.
knowledge is fundamentally moral and private in nature, not just knowledge concerning God but all knowledge even things about the natural world..
You must be like them in order to truely understand anything important. Failure to do so, to be like them, is to be evil and under Satanic control. This is the ultimate response to seeing the world in such black and white dichotomous terms, either for God or against Him, either true or false, either my way or the highway.
it appears to be a basic mindset, a basic orientation to the world, perhaps something fixed in childhood, this extraordinary self centeredness that makes the world and God revolve around me and by extension those like me. I am always right and if you dare disagree with me you are disagreeing with God Himself and are morally and ethical damned.
curious phenomena. i'm surprised how common it is here.
for it always seems to come from the inability to persuade people with reason and evidence thinking that the problem must be with the people not with the reason or the evidence. The world can be seen quite well enough with these physical eyes, to see the world does not require spiritual eyes or spiritual regeneration. To see God does, but that is not what we are talking about. The natural world is accessible, it is public knowledge, it is really out there, it is accessible to all people who just look. You don't need to be a Christian to look through a telescope and properly see the stars, anymore than you need to be an atheist or a materialist to use radioactive dating properly.
It is a curious phenomena, this "moralization" of all knowledge that seems to grossly infect fundamentalists. Perhaps it stems from an overactive childhood imagination, perhaps it stems from the historical fact that they have lost "natural theology" and the ideas that natural man can see many things without God's direct revelation. perhaps their Biblioalatry has so trumped the universe that nothing can be understood without these rosy colored glasses. i don't know. but we see it weekly here.
and often the next statement is "see you all later" and poof the poster disappears.
we should have this sign over the forum door:
all people who pass through these portals enliven our hearts, brighten our days and encourage our hearts to be stout,
some on the way in, others on the way out.
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