Did the Virgin Mary...

[darthvader]

Please don't take offense to this as it is a genuine question and I am not writing this to offend anyone...




I know the Virgin Mary was (at least according to the Bible) a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. How a virgin can have a child aside, did she die a virgin? Becuase, you know, she was married and (hopefully) in love with Joseph, and I'd find it hard to believe they didn't "get it on" at least once.

 

[Faith In God]

Please don't take offense to this as it is a genuine question and I am not writing this to offend anyone...




I know the Virgin Mary was (at least according to the Bible) a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. How a virgin can have a child aside, did she die a virgin? Becuase, you know, she was married and (hopefully) in love with Joseph, and I'd find it hard to believe they didn't "get it on" at least once.

Nope. She was only a virgin when she had Jesus. Jesus had four (recorded) brothers and at least two sisters. [bible]Matthew 13:55-56[/bible]

PS It is good practice to read your bible daily. Read Psalm 1 for why.

 

[Monica02]

Mary was ever virgin. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception declares this infallibly.
This has been the belief and understanding of the Church since the begining of Christianity. Mary even told Bernadette that she was the Immaculate Conception.

 

[Faith In God]

Mary was ever virgin. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception declares this infallibly.
This has been the belief and understanding of the Church since the begining of Christianity. Mary even told Bernadette that she was the Immaculate Conception.

Assuming that you truly meant "ever virgin", who are the brothers and sisters that Jesus had? He had to have some (Matthew 13:55), and you only get brothers and sisters through your mom/dad. She was a virgin when she had Jesus, but did not abstain from her husband afterwards. But that's just Scripture.

 

[PaladinValer]

Yes, she did.

 

[Monica02]

Assuming that you truly meant "ever virgin", who are the brothers and sisters that Jesus had? He had to have some (Matthew 13:55), and you only get brothers and sisters through your mom/dad. She was a virgin when she had Jesus, but did not abstain from her husband afterwards. But that's just Scripture.

This might explain the Church's position.

www.catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0007sbs.asp

 

[Serapha]

Please don't take offense to this as it is a genuine question and I am not writing this to offend anyone...




I know the Virgin Mary was (at least according to the Bible) a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. How a virgin can have a child aside, did she die a virgin? Becuase, you know, she was married and (hopefully) in love with Joseph, and I'd find it hard to believe they didn't "get it on" at least once.

HI there!




This argument could go on forever... it just depends on what denominational response you get... and since this isn't a denominational board, forget about reading denominational answers as you have already received.


In catholicism, Mary, the mother of Jesus was considered to be ever virgin and according to their "traditional" teachings, she had no other children and those brothers and sisters mentioned in the Bible were step children, the children of Joseph and his first wife. None of that can be documented in historic records.


And for the record, in Catholicism, Mary never died, but was assumed into heaven, again, a traditional teaching of the Roman church.


On the other hand, Protestants, not accepting traditional teachings, but accepting the Bible, take the literal translation that the brothers and sisters mentioned in the Bibler WERE other children of Mary and Joseph.

In judiac teachings, it is a requirement for couple to have consummated their marriage else it is nul and void, having never occurred. It is considered a serious transgression for a woman to withhold herself from her husband. Mary was the mother of Jesus, but she was also a Jew, and she either had sex with her husband or she lived a lie in front of her family, her synagogue, and her community.


Take which ever side you chose to pick... this argument will continue until Christ returns.


~serapha~

 

[Monica02]

HI there!






And for the record, in Catholicism, Mary never died, but was assumed into heaven, again, a traditional teaching of the Roman church.





~serapha~

The Church does not teach that Mary never died. They simply do not say if she died or not. It is true that the Church teaches that she was assumed, but tere is no consensus on whether she died or not.

 

[Serapha]

HI there!









And for the record, Catholicism teaches that Mary was assumed at the end of her earthly life.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm

[Note: By promulgating the Bull Munificentissimus Deus, 1 November, 1950, Pope Pius XII declared infallibly that the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary was a dogma of the Catholic Faith. Likewise, the Second Vatican Council taught in the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium that "the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, when her earthly life was over, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things (n. 59)."]

~serapha~

 

[Monica02]

HI there!









And for the record, Catholicism teaches that Mary was assumed at the end of her earthly life.




~serapha~

Yes indeedy! Thank you for the New Advent link.

 

[Serapha]

Yes indeedy! Thank you for the New Advent link.

HI there!



When members realize that THIS forum is not for denominational teachings, but was created as an outreach to ALL people for redemption, then we might see people redeemed through this forum


As long as denominational strife distracts the seekers, they remain lost.


~serapha~

 

[GodFlute2]

No, Mary and Joseph had 2 sons, Jesus' 1/2 brothers.

 

[12volt_man]

Despite what Roman Catholics believe, the Bible indicates (Matt. 1:25) that she did not stay a virgin after the birth of Christ.

She also had other children so she could not, by definition, have been a virgin.

 

[wink]

Monica, what does "assumed" mean? Is that like "translated"? Or caught up to Heaven?
I'm woefully ignorant re: teachings of Catholic church, so would appreciate a definition.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

I know the Virgin Mary was (at least according to the Bible) a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. How a virgin can have a child aside, did she die a virgin? Becuase, you know, she was married and (hopefully) in love with Joseph, and I'd find it hard to believe they didn't "get it on" at least once.

She remained a virgin forever. The Bible never says she was married, only betrothed. If you notice, when Jesus gave Mary to John to be cared for, she couldn't have had other children, else under the law, they would be the ones to care for Mary! But since John was given the task, Mary musn't have had children.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Monica, what does "assumed" mean? Is that like "translated"? Or caught up to Heaven?
I'm woefully ignorant re: teachings of Catholic church, so would appreciate a definition.

Yes, it means she went up to Heaven. And, don't worry, the majority of Christians in the world, including millions of non Roman Catholics, believe in the assumption, if not dogmatically so.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

No, Mary and Joseph had 2 sons, Jesus' 1/2 brothers.

No no, Joseph had two at least 2 sons. They were older than Jesus though. If Mary was a Virgin at the time of Jesus' birth, they couldn't be from her!

 

[Rafael]

Please don't take offense to this as it is a genuine question and I am not writing this to offend anyone...




I know the Virgin Mary was (at least according to the Bible) a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. How a virgin can have a child aside, did she die a virgin? Becuase, you know, she was married and (hopefully) in love with Joseph, and I'd find it hard to believe they didn't "get it on" at least once.

God is able to create life whever He choses, even using the dust of the earth to form the first man, Adam. As for "getting it on", that was not the reason for the virgin birth. It was so that Jesus would not inherit the sin and death nature that all regular men receive as inheritance from Adam, the first man. Jesus represented the Adam that obeyed God, and He led a sinless life so He could be the passover lamb and perfect spotless sacrifice for all the sins of mankind forever. No man has ever been able to keep the law and be perfect before God except for Jesus, and that was because He had the nature of His Father - the Holy Spirit, instead of man through Adam.
My personal belief from scripture is that Mary was and is to be honored above all women for carrying the Son of God in her womb, but as far as "getting it on goes", we don't know nor is that the subject of the scripture to focus on. It is God's plan to save for Himself a family of people that love Him and accept His salvation.

 

[New_Found_Faith]

No, Mary and Joseph had 2 sons, Jesus' 1/2 brothers.

Where'd you hear this?

 

[Radagast]

Please don't take offense to this as it is a genuine question and I am not writing this to offend anyone...

I know the Virgin Mary was (at least according to the Bible) a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. How a virgin can have a child aside...

"Questions by Non-Christians" is not the place for Catholic-vs-Protestant debates.

What we all do agree on is that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant... that God made her pregnant through a miracle:

This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus {meaning “God saves”}, because he will save his people from their sins.”

All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet {Isaiah 7:14}: “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” – which means, “God with us.”

When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union {that is, no sex} with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. (Matthew 1:18-25)

-- Radagast